BackFired?

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a gal may be a gongli lookalike. but can she satisfy as well as gong li? that's the difference

a gal is more than just looks.

I prefer Zhang Ziyi. :p

I worried that I my face may suffer blue black when Gongli swing her chest too fast. :o

 

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Did the pap expect so much backlash and bad side effects when they approved this bad policy?? I think not!

No... we are all daft remember??

 

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If 60.1% have any balls then we dun need to dream about any sort of protests

Indeed so. If only some of th 60% have more balls, then 超级白 will not be so ya ya.

 

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Uncle FS,

The blue collar workers who live in dorms at Geylang, ironically, are the ones whom I have a better impression of. They are here to eke out a living having no intention to settle here. They come and go. Uncouth? Maybe but they are mostly out of sight of the general population at large. So no major issue there.

TT are referring to those PRCs living amongst us, whom we interact frequently.

Hey, I address him as Fook Gor.

You address him as Uncle FS.

Then we are........

just joking hor...

 

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I am a practical person. There is no pure system. A pure system will not survive. We already see the demise of pure socialism and we are beginning to see the crumpling of pure capitalism that has created extreme income inequality. What I am saying is, if we have to take in foreigners, we have to answer some fundamental questions:-

1) What and how much is their value-add and the social cost?
2) Can they be moldable to be like us? Admittedly they can also bring new ways of life that can enrich the life-style we are living in but the basic characteristics of our people must be a constant.
3) Are our local people disadvantaged in any way and their interest protected? The Govt often talked about general good. We also need to ensure individual good.

Fook Gor,

Hmmmmm... will addressing the above reduce or eliminate the topic "BackFired"?

I think nobody will object 超级白 for bringing in talents. Real talents.

We all should be thankful for those REAL talents they brought in.

When you look at the performance of these talents in NUS or NTU, you get the idea of the categroy of talents they are.

People are upset that the 超级白 literally went begging for them to be here in such massive numbers, thus creating so much unhappiness at the expense of the true blue Singaporeans.

It is the speed and the quantum in which it happened. Reducing both the speed and quantum, there will be much less unhappiness. No need to answer your questions. Just my gas.

 

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My main problem with the Singapore Govt is I have no confidence they know how to integrate people of different creeds and cultures and that these individual cultures will develop their own exclusive enclaves, leading to clashes and tensions between cultures.

The path we have taken in the past to develop multi-racialism and multi-culturalism has to be looked at a anew. I think the issues are more complex than before. Whereas in the past the changes in demography took decades and centuries, now these are happening within a few short years.

What do you expect when the Engineers are ruling the place for a long time?

Err.. I am talking about the 超级白 hor. If you are an Engineer, I am not talking about you.

 

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There is a lot of truth in that. As we all know, Suzhou and Hangzhou are traditionally where the prettiest girls are but I was told the prettiest had all gone to Shanghai.

Fook Gor,

See my post @ 76

 

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If you look closely at their faces. They look almost all alike. I thought only Koreans look all alike because of their cosmetic surgery?

Wah sei, Fook Gor, you slurping away ah? :p

 

[TracyTan866]

The self-absorption is pervasive regardless of their cities of origin. And the students you talk about are the creme de la creme - Gen post-90s.

if these are the migrants we are getting then SG is in trouble because they are heartless, they are ungrateful, they are thankless and they are disloyal to SG

 

[TracyTan866]

I think the Govt should be more discriminating. There are many like those working in the hawker centres and other blue collar jobs who are brought more for their cost by employers because of govt policies that allow such cheaper labour to be brought in. Problems such as uncouth behaviour often come from this group. The creme de la creme, I must admit are probably reacting to the environment they are in. But for this group, do we need to give that much and ask for so little in return, as many leave after reaping the reward?

The Govt should be more discerning, more smart and more prudent in their handling of this.

good analysis. Yes the pap must be more discriminating. more discerning and more prudent

 

[TracyTan866]

Wah you make it sound like we Singaporeans are so holy and pure like that??

I beri paiseh Leh!

you dont think what he wrote was correct?

 

[TracyTan866]

If 60.1% have any balls then we dun need to dream about any sort of protests

very true..

 

[Fook Seng]

It is the speed and the quantum in which it happened. Reducing both the speed and quantum, there will be much less unhappiness. No need to answer your questions. Just my gas.

I have no problem agreeing with you on this. Calibration was not one of the mission objectives.

 

[TracyTan866]

I gotta search for my "best SBF quotes" thread. Yours certainly deserves to be in it.

hahahaha..you agree arhh!!!!

 

[TracyTan866]

Uncle FS,

The blue collar workers who live in dorms at Geylang, ironically, are the ones whom I have a better impression of. They are here to eke out a living having no intention to settle here. They come and go. Uncouth? Maybe but they are mostly out of sight of the general population at large. So no major issue there.

TT are referring to those PRCs living amongst us, whom we interact frequently.

yes, you are correct abt what I said..but i too believe we shd not import cheap PRC labour because they bring with them trouble to SG

 

[Fook Seng]

Fook Gor,

See my post @ 76

Of course it is true and I am not talking only about commercial ladies but women in general.

 

[TracyTan866]

What kind of backlash are you talking about? Online remarks by Singapore Netizens? I don't think they are terribly worried about that. If the backlash is reflected by more oppo gains at the next GE then that would be a different matter. But, on that, as of now, no one knows. Everything is pure speculation.

yes, speculation but not just blind speculation..

 

[Fook Seng]

Wah sei, Fook Gor, you slurping away ah? :p

You are sure that photo is not from some gallery on the training of women in the PLA?

 

[TracyTan866]

Those blue collar ones are the ones likely to stay on because they are unlikely to move on to westernized developed countries. They may go back to China if the economic and political (maybe not even be a pre-requisite) situation improves there.

The white collar ones are the ones with a choice. There are basically two types here. If we look at the student body, those who are creme de la creme, who are on our Govt scholarships are capable enough to immerse in all programmes, academic and curricula, that the local students go through after only a short period of adaptation. They can also eventually speak like a Singaporean without the strong PRC accent. The question is will they stay on? What are the incentives and dis-incentives? My problem is the incentives are there but the disincentives are not, leaving them a free hand to determine their future.

You mention self-absorption. Who is not in a foreign country? Singaporeans in Australia and Canada do the same weighing of the pros and cons and hope that more like them would join their kind. The difference is how exclusive are these groups.

If you are talking of students, some foreign students are capable enough in their adaptation to participate in all programmes that the local students participate in if the environment is right, at least not hostile.

The other group of students, those who come on their own, on parents' scholarship, may struggle a bit more and have to stick to their study groups, involving very little in non-academic programmes. Others whose parents are so well-to-do might not even place a strong emphasis on studies (just a pass will do) and spend their time in painting the town red with their buddies. There is not much we can do with this second group as long as Singapore is open to investment from all over. And PRC has a strong presence and many investments in Singapore. You cannot stop these investors and the managers of their investments from bringing in their families.

I agree the behaviour of the new rich can take some getting use to but I believe this is only a transitional phase that we all go through (Singaporeans too have been looked upon too by others before but we have one advantage - spoken and written English).

I am a practical person. There is no pure system. A pure system will not survive. We already see the demise of pure socialism and we are beginning to see the crumpling of pure capitalism that has created extreme income inequality. What I am saying is, if we have to take in foreigners, we have to answer some fundamental questions:-

1) What and how much is their value-add and the social cost?
2) Can they be moldable to be like us? Admittedly they can also bring new ways of life that can enrich the life-style we are living in but the basic characteristics of our people must be a constant.
3) Are our local people disadvantaged in any way and their interest protected? The Govt often talked about general good. We also need to ensure individual good.

Excellent analysis!!!

 

[TracyTan866]

My main problem with the Singapore Govt is I have no confidence they know how to integrate people of different creeds and cultures and that these individual cultures will develop their own exclusive enclaves, leading to clashes and tensions between cultures.

The path we have taken in the past to develop multi-racialism and multi-culturalism has to be looked at a anew. I think the issues are more complex than before. Whereas in the past the changes in demography took decades and centuries, now these are happening within a few short years.

yes, getting more and more complex..is the pap above the problems