BackFired?

[Narong Wongwan]

you think the PAP will come to you and explain?

screw your sinkie brain. you want an answer, then protest for it

If 60.1% have any balls then we dun need to dream about any sort of protests

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

PAP licks USA's and China's backsides now. It used to be PAP licks USA's backside only. PAP behaves like a whore

I gotta search for my "best SBF quotes" thread. Yours certainly deserves to be in it.

 

[Clone]

I think the Govt should be more discriminating. There are many like those working in the hawker centres and other blue collar jobs who are brought more for their cost by employers because of govt policies that allow such cheaper labour to be brought in. Problems such as uncouth behaviour often come from this group. The creme de la creme, I must admit are probably reacting to the environment they are in. But for this group, do we need to give that much and ask for so little in return, as many leave after reaping the reward?

The Govt should be more discerning, more smart and more prudent in their handling of this.

Uncle FS,

The blue collar workers who live in dorms at Geylang, ironically, are the ones whom I have a better impression of. They are here to eke out a living having no intention to settle here. They come and go. Uncouth? Maybe but they are mostly out of sight of the general population at large. So no major issue there.

TT are referring to those PRCs living amongst us, whom we interact frequently.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Did the pap expect so much backlash and bad side effects when they approved this bad policy?? I think not!

What kind of backlash are you talking about? Online remarks by Singapore Netizens? I don't think they are terribly worried about that. If the backlash is reflected by more oppo gains at the next GE then that would be a different matter. But, on that, as of now, no one knows. Everything is pure speculation.

 

[Fook Seng]

TT are referring to those PRCs living amongst us, whom we interact frequently.

Those blue collar ones are the ones likely to stay on because they are unlikely to move on to westernized developed countries. They may go back to China if the economic and political (maybe not even be a pre-requisite) situation improves there.

The white collar ones are the ones with a choice. There are basically two types here. If we look at the student body, those who are creme de la creme, who are on our Govt scholarships are capable enough to immerse in all programmes, academic and curricula, that the local students go through after only a short period of adaptation. They can also eventually speak like a Singaporean without the strong PRC accent. The question is will they stay on? What are the incentives and dis-incentives? My problem is the incentives are there but the disincentives are not, leaving them a free hand to determine their future.

You mention self-absorption. Who is not in a foreign country? Singaporeans in Australia and Canada do the same weighing of the pros and cons and hope that more like them would join their kind. The difference is how exclusive are these groups.

If you are talking of students, some foreign students are capable enough in their adaptation to participate in all programmes that the local students participate in if the environment is right, at least not hostile.

The other group of students, those who come on their own, on parents' scholarship, may struggle a bit more and have to stick to their study groups, involving very little in non-academic programmes. Others whose parents are so well-to-do might not even place a strong emphasis on studies (just a pass will do) and spend their time in painting the town red with their buddies. There is not much we can do with this second group as long as Singapore is open to investment from all over. And PRC has a strong presence and many investments in Singapore. You cannot stop these investors and the managers of their investments from bringing in their families.

I agree the behaviour of the new rich can take some getting use to but I believe this is only a transitional phase that we all go through (Singaporeans too have been looked upon in the same way by others before but we have one advantage - spoken and written English).

I am a practical person. There is no pure system. A pure system will not survive. We already see the demise of pure socialism and we are beginning to see the crumpling of pure capitalism that has created extreme income inequality. What I am saying is, if we have to take in foreigners, we have to answer some fundamental questions:-

1) What and how much is their value-add and the social cost?
2) Can they be moldable to be like us? Admittedly they can also bring new ways of life that can enrich the life-style we are living in but the basic characteristics of our people must be a constant.
3) Are our local people disadvantaged in any way and their interest protected? The Govt often talked about general good. We also need to ensure individual good.

 

[Fook Seng]

My main problem with the Singapore Govt is I have no confidence that they know how to integrate people of different creeds and cultures and that these individual cultures will develop their own exclusive enclaves, leading to clashes and tensions between cultures.

The path we have taken in the past to develop multi-racialism and multi-culturalism has to be looked at a anew. I think the issues are more complex than before. Whereas in the past the changes in demography took decades and centuries, now these are happening within a few short years.

 

[blur sotong]

Alas, the students don't look like this bunch. OK OK, tomorrow you stand in front of MOE and protest, OK? PAP sure give you apology. Or else can write to whoever is Ministar for Education (I cannot keep up who the hell is in charge these days)

Hey, I thought you were the Minister of Education between 1 April 2008 – 21 May 2011? No??

Can explain those policies please?

Ha ha... joking nia :p

 

[blur sotong]

Instead of grooming local sporting and academic talent, our universities groom foreign talent, with taxpayer monies, because of the tuition grants received from MOE.


Problem is we are not attracting the best and brightest. The only ones coming to SG are the 3rd and 4th rate stuff.

That is right. Why not groom local talent?

And Singapore is getting the 3rd and 4th rated stuff. It is a fact.

Those who were selected to attend interviews with MOE staff in China are 3rd and 4th grades to begin with.

 

[blur sotong]

hi there


1. honest, i see more of exploitation!
2. making the most advantage of the situation on sheepishland.
3. where many local sheep are defenceless or speechless.
4. chins & dogs shall go the next place where it is believed to be greener or easier to maximise its next taking.
5. this is chin 101.

Exactly. That is what they are brought up to be.

Singaporeans were taught "往前走"

For them, it is always : "往钱走"

 

[Fook Seng]

The blue collar workers who live in dorms at Geylang, ironically, are the ones whom I have a better impression of. They are here to eke out a living having no intention to settle here. They come and go.

This type of workers, of course they will have to go back. They are only on 2-year VISA and licence.

 

[blur sotong]

Why all this willingness to allow people from this country to study or settle here?

Have we forgotten that this was the very country that cheated us of our hard-earned savings - The Suzhou Project?

What about the number of innocent Singaporeans who got cheated when they tried to invest in China?

Last but not the least, the poor singles who giot cheated by the PRC gals.............

The list goes on.

Why are we so :beholden" to this country?

There must be a reason.

Ask 超级白. Only they can give you an answer.

 

[Fook Seng]

Alas, the students don't look like this bunch. OK OK, tomorrow you stand in front of MOE and protest, OK? PAP sure give you apology. Or else can write to whoever is Ministar for Education (I cannot keep up who the hell is in charge these days)

If you look closely at their faces. They look almost all alike. I thought only Koreans look all alike because of their cosmetic surgery?

 

[blur sotong]

Chinese %
1970 77.0
1980 78.3
1990 77.7
2000 76.8
2010 74.1 (incl PRC import)

Is 超级白 playing racial politics?

 

[blur sotong]

The same thing is happening in the night scene. The top notch PRC gals needn't come to S'pore to make a living. They have enough super rich PRC men in China. The stocks that arrived here are usually those who CMI big-time in China - performing artistes and KTV gals.

Errr.... they go Shanghai?

 

[Fook Seng]

Errr.... they go Shanghai?

There is a lot of truth in that. As we all know, Suzhou and Hangzhou are traditionally where the prettiest girls are but I was told the prettiest had all gone to Shanghai.

 

[blur sotong]

One can find so many Gongli or LinChinXia lookalikes at Dong Guan.

Yah lah. There is a saying in China...

一流到上海
二流到珠海
三流去出海

 

[blur sotong]

Singapore will learn a painful lesson from this pap's negligence

When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?

60% never learn or they are so self serving or short sighted they forgo their precious votes to protect their immediate interest.

 

[blur sotong]

You like these gals? they look under nourished!

Not at all under nourished. Just about perfect instead.

Flat chested abit also never mind. Face and legs - very important.

Opps, I hope I am not going to change the direction of your thread.

If so paiseh. :p

 

[blur sotong]

It so unfair to our own people who have to struggle to send our sons and daughters through Uni whereas these PRCs are sponsored using tax payers money

Exactly. But many choose not upset about it.

Until their kid cannot get a place in the local uni, and they have to pay thru their nose to send their kid overseas to allow their kid the opportunity to fulfil kid's dream, then they begin to feel it.

 

[blur sotong]

PAP licks USA's and China's backsides now. It used to be PAP licks USA's backside only. PAP behaves like a whore

They also trying to score points ah?