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Singaporeans will have adequate CPF savings....

Incorrect.

Go to the cpf website to verify. I also thought so earlier.

At age 55, you can only take out the amount that is above the minimum sum of $140k. For example, if you got $160k in retirement account, you can only take $20k.

If you got $120k in retirement account, you only get a token $5k since your $120k is below min sum of $140k. The pledging of property pertains to those who have not reach the min sum. For example if you got $120k and min sum is $140k, the shortfall of $20k can be pledged by property.

Scary.:mad:

How do u pledge your HDB property ?
Does it mean your HDB property title deed will be given to CPF as a pledge/collateral in return for a loan from CPF to top-up the shortfall (e.g. $20K) in your minimum sum ?
How much interest do u have to pay for the loan from CPF ?
It seems quite illogical and nonsensical that u have to borrow money with interest payable so as to top-up the shortfall
in your own CPF account (CPF minimum sum) ?
Are the PAP punishing u financially for not having sufficient funds in your CPF minimum sum ?
What type of Govt would do this sort of cruel thing to its own Singapore Citizens ?
 
Theoretically, renunciating citizenship and then collecting one's CPF monies is an option. In practical terms however there are a number of hurdles, chief of which is that most countries have a 5-year timeframe from when you first become a PR to when you can become a citizen.

I have scouted round to search for those countries where the whole process can be shortened. There are only a very few of such countries, and none are particularly attractive. If people know of countries where this can be done within 2 years, please do post that here.

a 5-year or 6-year plan is not too long. anything within 2 years is just a lame excuse to defer or diffuse. :rolleyes:
 
I simply cannot understand why the concept of "cashing out" is so difficult to grasp. :rolleyes:

While the Singapore govt may do a very poor job in providing security and welfare to the masses, they have done a fantastic job when it comes to asset enhancement. Keeping the SGD strong adds a substantial amount of icing to the cake.

In the game of life, one has to side step the weaknesses while capitalising on the strengths of the cards you are dealt. The PAP certainly has done an excellent job for those who wish cash in their chips.

Imagine buying an HDB pigeon hole for $200,000 and being able to sell it for close to 7 figures in less than a decade.

The smart thing to do for asset owners is to fold and leave with their windfall, which I agree wholeheartedly.

I am sure some part of your subconsciousness is saying this ponzi cannot go on ad infinitum. In this respect I say the PAP has taken us down the path of no return, and somebody's gonna get hurt real bad.
 
Theoretically, renunciating citizenship and then collecting one's CPF monies is an option. In practical terms however there are a number of hurdles, chief of which is that most countries have a 5-year timeframe from when you first become a PR to when you can become a citizen.

I have scouted round to search for those countries where the whole process can be shortened. There are only a very few of such countries, and none are particularly attractive. If people know of countries where this can be done within 2 years, please do post that here.

Boss, Belgian citizenship - 3 years. You'll automatically become an EU citizen and then you can settle in any member state of this wonderful region. :)
 
I have scouted round to search for those countries where the whole process can be shortened. There are only a very few of such countries, and none are particularly attractive. If people know of countries where this can be done within 2 years, please do post that here.

First of all, 5 years is a perfect time frame. It means that once you've settled in to your new routine, you're pretty much ready to draw on your windfall.

If you want a shorter period, NZ citizenship can be applied for after 18 months of residency. It usually takes 6 to 8 months for approval so there's your 2 years. It's an excellent retirement destination.
 
hi there


1. bro, good one!
2. now, kopiuncle or the sbf resident bitch can do something betterer than this or what.
3. hahaha!

i salute laksaboy
with his excellent poem
this forum has improved
the standard has been raised
thanks to all the brothers here
for all the poetic grace....
 
First of all, 5 years is a perfect time frame. It means that once you've settled in to your new routine, you're pretty much ready to draw on your windfall.

If you want a shorter period, NZ citizenship can be applied for after 18 months of residency. It usually takes 6 to 8 months for approval so there's your 2 years. It's an excellent retirement destination.

Thank you very much, Sir. I will also make enquiries on this.
 
Incorrect.

Go to the cpf website to verify. I also thought so earlier.

At age 55, you can only take out the amount that is above the minimum sum of $140k. For example, if you got $160k in retirement account, you can only take $20k.

If you got $120k in retirement account, you only get a token $5k since your $120k is below min sum of $140k. The pledging of property pertains to those who have not reach the min sum. For example if you got $120k and min sum is $140k, the shortfall of $20k can be pledged by property.

Scary.:mad:

You pledge your property, Pinnacle is 3 mil, Queentsown & Bishan 1 - 1.25m..so the minimum sum in the future will be S$4,000,000 so what is the "Botak" Tharman talking about..ok, ok!, they will give you 'door gift' of S$20,000 ( by then it is just adequate) to withdraw at 65, "some" ( by then) and retire at 75.

My point is, they keep raising the 'bar', for they never consulted us, even though it is OUR MONEY, they treat it as it is THEIR MONEY. That is my point! Consult the owners of the MONEY before they change any rules or start new one...it is our MONEY, we should be asked first! it is not THEIR MONEY.
 
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CPF is indirect taxation on your disposable income, it is not really a 'retirement plan' similar to a 401k in America.

Certainly, you can use it to buy 'subsidized' HDB flats, but you're none the wiser about how much is actually being subsidized when the costs of construction are not known to the public.

Saying 'CPF savings' is similar to saying 'chaste prostitute'. Makes zero sense. :cool:
 
I think quite a number of people born in the 1970s are looking forward to 55 years old and how much can we withdraw :inlove:
 
CPF is indirect taxation on your disposable income, it is not really a 'retirement plan' similar to a 401k in America.

Certainly, you can use it to buy 'subsidized' HDB flats, but you're none the wiser about how much is actually being subsidized when the costs of construction are not known to the public.

Saying 'CPF savings' is similar to saying 'chaste prostitute'. Makes zero sense. :cool:
CPF/HDB is the biggest scam and asset depletion con job in the world.
 
Fast
SINGAPORE: Young Singaporeans in the workforce today will have adequate savings in their Central Provident Fund (CPF) accounts by the time they retire, according to an independent study by the Ministry of Manpower.

Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam shared this finding on Wednesday at the opening of the Singapore Human Capital Summit.

The Central Provident Fund is designed to help Singaporeans save enough for their retirement years.

It also contributes in making home ownership a key pillar of the country's social security system.

Mr Tharman said the CPF is a financially sustainable scheme because it is fully funded and operates on defined principles of contributions.

However, Mr Tharman said the challenge is ensuring CPF savings are able to deliver payouts that are enough for retirement.

The challenge is more so for the lower-income earners. The government reviews the CPF scheme from time to time to ensure it can deliver payouts adequately.

A recent study using the Income Replacement Rate or IRR indicates that Singaporeans are adequately covered.

Pension economists measure retirement adequacy by using an IRR, which is the ratio of retirement monthly income to pre-retirement monthly earnings.

The study found that a median male earner who enters the workforce today will be able to achieve an IRR of over 70 per cent through his CPF savings.

For the female median earner, the equivalent IRR is 63 per cent.

These figures are similar to those of countries of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The IRR for the median OECD economies is 66 per cent. The World Bank recommends a range of between 53 and 78 per cent.

The rate is significantly higher in Singapore when it takes into account the fact that Singaporeans have their own homes when they retire.

Cash is freed for other living expenses as they do not have to pay rental fees.

For lower-income workers, the IRR is higher -- at about 81 per cent.

With Workfare, which supplements the wages of low-income workers, the IRR is even higher -- at 93 per cent.

Details of the study will be released in the near future.

Economists said many assumptions need to be considered in interpreting the results of the study.

Associate Professor Shandre Thangavelu, from the Economics Department at the National University of Singapore, said: "How much the income is growing over time, and what is the retirement age...It all depends on how the rate of returns when other factors are taken into account. How much extra savings they are going to have from the CPF and paying mortgages and so on... because higher property prices will also absorb more from the CPF itself."

Mr Tharman said the changes made in the CPF scheme over the years have put it on a very firm footing for the future, but employers and employees also have a part to play in ensuring financial stability.

"But no matter how we design the CPF scheme, retirement adequacy is still premised on individual responsibility and good jobs during working lives," said Mr Tharman.

"It requires that we work and save for an adequate retirement nest egg and it requires that employers take responsibility for providing ordinary working people with good jobs."

Mr Tharman said the results of the findings are important and the government will continue to review the CPF scheme.

But it is also important to keep an eye on the needs of the older generation of Singaporeans who may not have enough runway to benefit from the changes made to the CPF system over the years.

Mr Tharman noted that many older Singaporeans have low CPF balances and are unable to achieve the IRR that the study has found. Wages were much lower in the past and these older Singaporeans were required to set aside less in their CPF Retirement Account. They were allowed to use much of their CPF savings for housing.

However, most of them have also experienced substantial appreciation in value of the homes that they own, made possible by government housing subsidies, their earlier withdrawals of CPF savings, and economic growth.

"Our strategy is to help them monetise the values of their homes in retirement, if they wish to," said Mr Tharman.

- CNA/xq/cc/ir
fast forward 15yrs later , any Samster make forecast that fishball noodle can cost $6 and above at hawker Center?

A humble Hardland 3rm flat can sell for 0.9m….
 
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