Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and songs

[Conqueror]

Han Is Often Used Loosely

For example, Confucius was certainly not a Han Chinese.

I think you are half right. Actually Han and Democracy are often loosely used. Try to think of Han as Chinese just after the merger of Chu kingdom. Like a flagship company renaming itself after acquiring another competitor company. Same goes for renaming RTS to SBC, to TCS, to Mediacorp. Got diff meh ?

Confucius and me, Conqueror are Shang descendants. Am I not a Chinese ? Maybe, I cannot use the word Han (the Liu descendants). We have different paternal line BUT we are all come from the same 黄帝 Yellow Emperor tribe.

子 + 乙 = 孔

Unless, you tell me he was an Ang Mor or of a Caucasian race. I have always suspected Zhang Hai Jie's heritage. She has that Ang Mor look.


孔子（前551年—前479年），子姓孔氏[1]，名丘，字仲尼，魯（今中國山東曲阜）人，中國春秋末期的思想家和教育家。孔子是自漢代起中華文化中的主流學說儒家的首代宗師，並且被後世尊為萬世師表。孔子和他創立的儒家思想對中國和朝鮮、日本、越南等地區有深遠的影響，這些地區又被稱爲儒家社會地區。

歷代追封追諡

孔子去世後，歷代帝王為彰顯對孔子的尊崇，不斷追封追諡。

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Han Is Often Used Loosely

zhang hai jie looks so cheena where got look ang moh?

 

[Doubblur]

Re: Han Is Often Used Loosely

5000 years ago, angmohs were living half naked in caves.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

The cradle of Chinese civilization is the Yellow River basin. The pure Han Chinese are those living in the north and the cental Chinese plain. People of south China are not of pure Han stock but a hybrid when Han people from the north migrated south to escape war & famine and intermixed with the natives. The Hakkas being late comers to south China probably carry more Han blood in their veins than the people who are already living in Guangdong and Fujian for centuries. Believe the Teochews too are late comers arriving from north China and are like the Hakkas more Han. If one were to visit Taiwan will be able to spot the difference between the natives living in southern Taiwan (settlers from Fujian) and those coming from Taipei (mainlanders). The mainlanders who are of pure Han stock are likely to be taller, fairer abd the girls are prettier.

That's what you like to think

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

To be precise, it took another thousand years after Han dynasty for people south of Yangtze (Jiangnan, our Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese etc.) to accept and identify themselves as Chinese, that was during another era of longlasting dynasty. That was Tang. Before that there were still identity crisis among Wu, Yue, Min etc. That's why southern Chinese call themselves Tang people. Southern Chinese diaspora around the world call their Chinatowns as Tang Street, not Han Street.

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

The cradle of Chinese civilization is the Yellow River basin. The pure Han Chinese are those living in the north and the cental Chinese plain. People of south China are not of pure Han stock but a hybrid when Han people from the north migrated south to escape war & famine and intermixed with the natives. The Hakkas being late comers to south China probably carry more Han blood in their veins than the people who are already living in Guangdong and Fujian for centuries. Believe the Teochews too are late comers arriving from north China and are like the Hakkas more Han. If one were to visit Taiwan will be able to spot the difference between the natives living in southern Taiwan (settlers from Fujian) and those coming from Taipei (mainlanders). The mainlanders who are of pure Han stock are likely to be taller, fairer abd the girls are prettier.

Don't be so sure of yourself, genetics always say otherwise.

" The Hakka, who had their origins in the northern provinces, migrated to Guangdong during that time, as well as in late 17th century, particularly during the Qing dynasty. The lack of evidence for the more northerly origins of the Hakka in our study could be attributed to the early migrations of the Hakka, such that subsequent genetic exchange between the Hakka and the local population through marriage occurred long enough to make the Hakka more similar to the southern populations (instead of to their northern ancestral populations). This further exemplifies the fine-scale resolution of genome-wide autosomal SNPs and their ability to infer ancestry by geography and language. "

 

[Mercury]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Manchu Pigtail best. 5% minority ruling over 90% Han majority in a continent sized country for 268 years. the great military conquest south westwards. amazing feat by the grassland barbarians.

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

To be precise, it took another thousand years after Han dynasty for people south of Yangtze (Jiangnan, our Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese etc.) to accept and identify themselves as Chinese, that was during another era of longlasting dynasty. That was Tang. Before that there were still identity crisis among Wu, Yue, Min etc. That's why southern Chinese call themselves Tang people. Southern Chinese diaspora around the world call their Chinatowns as Tang Street, not Han Street.

nobody likes Da Song? 2nd longest dynasty in Chinese history. it was unfortunate that during that period, Song had to fight against militarily very strong nomadic "tribes" and later mankind history ultimate fighting machine the unbeatable Mongols that resulted in the end of Song.

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

nobody likes Da Song? 2nd longest dynasty in Chinese history. it was unfortunate that during that period, Song had to fight against militarily very strong nomadic "tribes" and later mankind history ultimate fighting machine the unbeatable Mongols that resulted in the end of Song.

Song dynasty was best fondly remembered for the legendary Justice Bao. How historically true a man he was, I'm not sure too. Field Marshal Yue Fei was certainly a true historical figure. The unjuistisfied execution of of Yue Fei and the loss of the northern half of Song China to Khitans made Song an unpopular dynasty in Chinese history. A symbol of military weakness. By the time Mongols defeated Khitans in the north, there was no way to save southern Song too.

But culturally, Song was quite superior. It invented moveable typsetting fonts for printing, the first printed (not handwritten or carved) books in the world.

 

[Conqueror]

There's A State In Chou Belonged To Ang Moh

zhang hai jie looks so cheena where got look ang moh?

I know that Haplogroup NO split into N (Caucasians) and O (Asians). Very hard say at this juncture. But, you have to remember that some of the barbarians weren't Mongoloids - ang moh looking people like Hungarians ?

 

[Conqueror]

Song King Belly Song When North Part Of Song Disappeared

Song dynasty was best fondly remembered for the legendary Justice Bao.

By the time Mongols defeated Khitans in the north, there was no way to save southern Song too.

But culturally, Song was quite superior. It invented moveable typsetting fonts for printing, the first printed (not handwritten or carved) books in the world.

Justice Bao was in Kaifeng (Henan). After that it was Yue Fei's problem to recapture the north. Sadly and unfortunately, as you know, he didn't make it. But, that evil Song emperor was very 'song' with dances and songs all day long.

According to History of Song,[1] Bao Zheng was born into a scholar family in Hefei, Anhui province. At the age of 29[2] he passed the highest-level Imperial examination and became qualified as a Jinshi. He was a magistrate in Bian (Kaifeng), the capital of the Song dynasty.

 

[Conqueror]

Why Dherng Nung ?

An interesting graph. But, to add colours and 3-dimensional effect to what was being said ... Tang Male or Dherng Lung.


DNA analysis

Y-chromosome haplogroup O3 is a common DNA marker in Han Chinese, as it appeared in China in prehistoric times. It is found in more than 50% of Chinese males, and ranging up to over 80% in certain regional subgroups of the Han ethnicity.[31] However, the mitochondrial DNA of Han Chinese increases in diversity as one looks from northern to southern China, which suggests that some male migrants from northern China married with women from local peoples after arriving in Guangdong, Fujian, and other regions of southern China.[32]

[33] Despite this, tests comparing the genetic profiles of northern Han, southern Han and southern natives determined that haplogroups O1b-M110, O2a1-M88 and O3d-M7, which are prevalent in southern natives, were only observed in some southern Hans (4% on average), but not in northern Hans. Therefore, this proves that the male contribution of southern natives in southern Hans is limited.

[12] In contrast, there are consistent strong genetic similarities in the Y chromosome haplogroup distribution between the southern and northern Chinese population, and the result of principal component analysis indicates almost all Han populations form a tight cluster in their Y chromosome.

Additionally, the estimated contribution of northern Hans to southern Hans is substantial in both paternal and maternal lineages and a geographic cline exists for mtDNA. As a result, the northern Hans are the primary contributors to the gene pool of the southern Hans.

However, it is noteworthy that the expansion process was dominated by males, as is shown by a greater contribution to the Y-chromosome than the mtDNA from northern Hans to southern Hans. These genetic observations are in line with historical records of continuous and large migratory waves of northern China inhabitants escaping warfare and famine, to southern China. Aside from these large migratory waves, other smaller southward migrations also occurred during almost all periods in the past two millennia.

Moreover, a study by the Chinese Academy of Sciences into the gene frequency data of Han subpopulations and ethnic minorities in China, showed that Han subpopulations in different regions are also genetically close to the local ethnic minorities, and it means that in many cases blood of ethnic minorities has mixed into Han, while at the same time, blood of Han also has mixed into the local ethnicities.[34] A recent, and to date the most extensive, genome-wide association study of the Han population shows that little geographic-genetic dispersion from north to south has occurred.[35] Ultimately, with the exception in some ethnolinguistic branches of the Han Chinese, such as Pinghua, there is a coherent genetic structure in all Han Chinese populace.

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Song King Belly Song When North Part Of Song Disappeared

Yeah, Justice Bao presided over the capital court, something like modern supreme court. The rest were only district courts. He was conferred imperial sword to execute up to prince rank without consulting the emperor first. The Manchurians didn't really win or take over China as in 5% versus 95%. More than half of Ming China nobilities and generals defected and and handed China over to them in the chaos between Prince Li Zicheng rebellion against Ming Emperor Chongzhen.

There were almost no serious battles or casualties between Hans and Manchus as they walked in and walked over after Wu Sangui opened the Great Wall gates. The Chinese welcomed them and commemorated the era of Kangxi-Yongzheng-Qianlong as golden era. Except for the insistence on the pigtail hairstyle, the Manchurians were more Chinese than Manchurians. more importantly, even more Chinese than Chinese, honoring everything from Confucius to Yan-Huang.

 

[HonkieSingie]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

It's going to be tough for the others. Cantonese have international recognition since the 1960's. Cantonese is spoken by many famous celebrities and have official status. Other Chinese dialects don't hold a candle to Cantonese, they are too rare and few.

Even if there is a language media for Hokkien/Teochew I will not watch but I will promote it though.

 

[zhihau]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

Even if there is a language media for Hokkien/Teochew I will not watch but I will promote it though.

Huah hee tio ho lah!

 

[Patriot]

Re: Why don't Singapore PROMOTE Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Wu, Gan speaking movie and s

As predicted by some members here, post-LKY, there appears to be a paradigm shift in the Government's thinking in relaxing the rules governing the usage of Chinese dialects, such as Hokkien, Teochew & Cantonese in the local TV shows.

Recently, I have noticed that there are a couple of TV shows in Chinese dialects, propagating Government policies which are mainly aimed at the older Pioneer generation, being aired.