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TJS Trojan Horse within the Opposition Camp
- Thread starter scroobal
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Like I pointed out, that was his asset which could be his edge attracting middle class vote.
Tkl is "humble pie"? Talk to your actuary friends who have been in the insurance industry before he reiired ... many would have a least 2 Tkl stories to make you cringe. This guy is a prima donna wrapped in a techicolour dreamcoat. Without the spotlight he will shrivel and die.
Lee is a vindictive man and his offspring are genetically defective. Both true. To believe that he would orchestrate such an elaborate plot to stay in power is to believe that Lee is God. The chances of a backstab and this movement taking a life of its own to end the Lees permanently is too great for a scroobal idea. And if SFP chooses to run in strongholds of WP it would be clear. It is stoopid to believe that Chee Soo Juan is such a screw up to have his better part of his life ruined by LKY officially while unofficially giving his unreserved servitude to LKY at the same time. No money is worth the public ridicule and inability to spend his monies (if LKY did give him) begs the question why not just suck cock directly in the 1st place Scoobals are scroobals. The only country with the ability to play such an elaborate plot is the USA.
If you do that, we are making the same mistake like in PE 2011.
Concentrate on good Oppositions, preferably only WP. Ask the rest to piss off!! SDP and RP must go for sure!
If we never vote for Oppositions, then Oppositions will never have any experience in politics!
We should vote in a large number of Opposition MPs, not to take over the Government (not for now at least), but enough to keep PAP on its toes and be less high handed!
Ya ya, in his active days, he was a cheapo, abusing his position to get extra privileges and expecting VIP treatment everywhere. A typical civil servant behavior although he was not one.
So? Lky was a serial back stabber. Chee was a dirty crotch-grabbing football player during his NUS days. Vincent wijeysingha is gay. Chiam used to smoke like a chimney.
Gwad's sake... Are we voting for a member of parliament or canonising the pope?
To canonize the pope, it is easy. To make him a saint, he needs to perform at least one miracle........but even that, it is easily done. Just get one to fake it. Like a doctor saying one has cancer, then suddenly cancer all gone.....it's a miracle!
Looks like most Sinkie voters still worship saints like Lui tuck yew who have never watched porn before
But that bloke is fucked ugly, even for a gay.......
It must be believable.....he saying never watch porn is like saying he is of virgin birth.....KNN, he's goddamned unbelievable!!!
Met a schoolmate of his. Told me that he is the type that will not watch porn because it is illegal.
Well, never mind lah, I have changed to SatuSingapura.
Goh Meng Seng
Captain Goh, what is your plan for 2016? Its just 2 years away..
hahaha....my master having a field day with anal-ysis again....
as usual the PLPs will fall in to stroke his ego.....
the smell of bullshit is overwhelming....
at the end of the day....he has a new excuse......ï was misquoted from day1...poor fella.
as usual the PLPs will fall in to stroke his ego.....
the smell of bullshit is overwhelming....
at the end of the day....he has a new excuse......ï was misquoted from day1...poor fella.
Sorry, Scroobal and the rest, I have serious doubts of your analysis and views, though I agree part of them.
First of all, it would be overly optimistic for anyone to proclaim that WP can just announce where it wants to go and then just fight. That's really full of arrogance and ignorance. I don't blame you guys but it is really painful to see people who have not fought any electoral battles in opposition politics to utter such "profound" words. Well, there are some WP members who hold on to that view as well but LTK is pretty clear that those are of minority view.
This is why, LTK would still attend NSP Anniversary Dinner on Saturday and went around ALL tables (I believe over 40 tables) to shake hands and chit chat with everybody. He is after all a shrewd politician who understands the importance of DIPLOMACY when you are still small as compared to the biggest opponent PAP. As a Chinese educated leader, he would have read the Chinese history, particularly on how small tribes in Mongolia became the most formidable force that ruled almost 70% of the known civilized world under Genghis Khan. Right from East Asia, China, passing through the whole Asian continent to middle east. It is all about DIPLOMACY.
No doubt that TJS has strategically chose his party's name as "Singaporean First Party" to zoom in on the "neglected" part of public discourse by WP, that doesn't mean that he will definitely go into three corner fight with WP in East Coast. Although it is a bit strange for him to choose East Coast area to announce his party's formation, but his intention is yet to be determined.
Well, yes, SFP may possibly capture the votes from people who are disappointed of WP's relatively quiet stance on various issues as well as the perception of WP as "Chinese Party", but I do not think any serious opposition party which seek to win elections would decide to go into three corner fights with WP in such a manner. They may be FORCED into three corner fight with WP when WP wanted to encroach into their turfs but won't initiate such bold move to attack WP's turf for no reasons.
Having said that, as you have already identified the weaknesses of WP, it would naturally UNWISE for WP to just declare where it wanted to contest and refuse to negotiate with other parties. That would be suicidal in terms of damaging its party branding.
I believe WP would be by now, realize the very weaknesses you have pointed out and be wise to select its battlefield carefully. All opposition parties, including WP, have limited resources. In by-elections, it would be manageable to have multi-corner fights but when it comes to General Elections, it will be totally different ball game because it involves huge logistics arrangement. Even with 23 seats contested for last GE, WP has already seen strains on its logistics. WP's posters and banners in East Coast were not up until the third or forth day after the campaign started! And yet, there are people who are talking about aggressive expansion of battleground which will definitely stretch its logistics very thin!
I do believe WP will drop the idea of contesting in Tampines but may choose to fight Punggol Pasir Ris and Marine Parade instead. Tampines has too large a Malay voting block comparatively and as you have said, WP is seen as "too Chinese" at the moment. And Tampines has never been a "soft ground" to begin with. NSP was lucky to have a good swing of Malay votes in support of us back in 2011.
Constrains on logistics and the apparent of weaknesses will make WP think twice on taking the path of solo adventure. So please lah, be realistic. In conclusion, skillful exercise of diplomacy will still be needed to minimize wastage of scarce resources as well as optimizing chances of winning.
Goh Meng Seng
First of all, it would be overly optimistic for anyone to proclaim that WP can just announce where it wants to go and then just fight. That's really full of arrogance and ignorance. I don't blame you guys but it is really painful to see people who have not fought any electoral battles in opposition politics to utter such "profound" words. Well, there are some WP members who hold on to that view as well but LTK is pretty clear that those are of minority view.
This is why, LTK would still attend NSP Anniversary Dinner on Saturday and went around ALL tables (I believe over 40 tables) to shake hands and chit chat with everybody. He is after all a shrewd politician who understands the importance of DIPLOMACY when you are still small as compared to the biggest opponent PAP. As a Chinese educated leader, he would have read the Chinese history, particularly on how small tribes in Mongolia became the most formidable force that ruled almost 70% of the known civilized world under Genghis Khan. Right from East Asia, China, passing through the whole Asian continent to middle east. It is all about DIPLOMACY.
No doubt that TJS has strategically chose his party's name as "Singaporean First Party" to zoom in on the "neglected" part of public discourse by WP, that doesn't mean that he will definitely go into three corner fight with WP in East Coast. Although it is a bit strange for him to choose East Coast area to announce his party's formation, but his intention is yet to be determined.
Well, yes, SFP may possibly capture the votes from people who are disappointed of WP's relatively quiet stance on various issues as well as the perception of WP as "Chinese Party", but I do not think any serious opposition party which seek to win elections would decide to go into three corner fights with WP in such a manner. They may be FORCED into three corner fight with WP when WP wanted to encroach into their turfs but won't initiate such bold move to attack WP's turf for no reasons.
Having said that, as you have already identified the weaknesses of WP, it would naturally UNWISE for WP to just declare where it wanted to contest and refuse to negotiate with other parties. That would be suicidal in terms of damaging its party branding.
I believe WP would be by now, realize the very weaknesses you have pointed out and be wise to select its battlefield carefully. All opposition parties, including WP, have limited resources. In by-elections, it would be manageable to have multi-corner fights but when it comes to General Elections, it will be totally different ball game because it involves huge logistics arrangement. Even with 23 seats contested for last GE, WP has already seen strains on its logistics. WP's posters and banners in East Coast were not up until the third or forth day after the campaign started! And yet, there are people who are talking about aggressive expansion of battleground which will definitely stretch its logistics very thin!
I do believe WP will drop the idea of contesting in Tampines but may choose to fight Punggol Pasir Ris and Marine Parade instead. Tampines has too large a Malay voting block comparatively and as you have said, WP is seen as "too Chinese" at the moment. And Tampines has never been a "soft ground" to begin with. NSP was lucky to have a good swing of Malay votes in support of us back in 2011.
Constrains on logistics and the apparent of weaknesses will make WP think twice on taking the path of solo adventure. So please lah, be realistic. In conclusion, skillful exercise of diplomacy will still be needed to minimize wastage of scarce resources as well as optimizing chances of winning.
Goh Meng Seng
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I acknowledge some of the points that you have made and they do make sense.
I am sure that out of courtesy and in the spirit of collaboration and unity WP will attend the horse-trading meetings but for WP it will be for the marginal seats. They have incumbency and a performance record. In the West, not their traditional ground, they may have to assert themselves if they have new and qualified candidates that have ties that might prove advantageous.
Gone are the days where Steve Chia can say that he already printed fridge magnets for Pioneer East and get away with it.
Not sure if you are underestimating their logistical capability. In view of their 2011 success, they ability to draw on more resources and volunteers cannot be discounted. Not to mention that the PM support for FT, the local will rally behind the WP as well other capable opposition candidates.
I am sure that out of courtesy and in the spirit of collaboration and unity WP will attend the horse-trading meetings but for WP it will be for the marginal seats. They have incumbency and a performance record. In the West, not their traditional ground, they may have to assert themselves if they have new and qualified candidates that have ties that might prove advantageous.
Gone are the days where Steve Chia can say that he already printed fridge magnets for Pioneer East and get away with it.
Not sure if you are underestimating their logistical capability. In view of their 2011 success, they ability to draw on more resources and volunteers cannot be discounted. Not to mention that the PM support for FT, the local will rally behind the WP as well other capable opposition candidates.
Dear Scroobal,
What I have said about WP's logistic constrains are from first hand account of Eric Tan and my observations during the hustling. HG was pretty fast in putting up its posters, along with Aljunied GRC. But East Coast GRC was pretty bad. It is really a pity because some middle ground voters might have second doubts of WP's ability after they noticed the late display of posters. It could have cost East Coast team up to 5% point.
Well granted that WP will be inevitably expanding their battleground but it must be weighed against the abilities of their logistic capabilities, not just about candidacy interests and intention. All other opposition parties will have to give way eventually but the bottomline is, if negotiation breaks down, it will cause chaos and wastage of great amount of resources for oppositions as a whole.
Goh Meng Seng
What I have said about WP's logistic constrains are from first hand account of Eric Tan and my observations during the hustling. HG was pretty fast in putting up its posters, along with Aljunied GRC. But East Coast GRC was pretty bad. It is really a pity because some middle ground voters might have second doubts of WP's ability after they noticed the late display of posters. It could have cost East Coast team up to 5% point.
Well granted that WP will be inevitably expanding their battleground but it must be weighed against the abilities of their logistic capabilities, not just about candidacy interests and intention. All other opposition parties will have to give way eventually but the bottomline is, if negotiation breaks down, it will cause chaos and wastage of great amount of resources for oppositions as a whole.
Goh Meng Seng
Though I don't agree with many things written here, it is at least not like the past rants spewed out of hatred and jealousy whenever WP is mentioned.
The element of bias is hence reduced. You should keep this up.
What has changed, is not my attitude or stance I have on WP but rather, the way you see things and your bias.
I have always been very objective in my assessment and in fact, the weaknesses mentioned here by other people like Scroobal, are not new to me as I have already pointed out long ago. There are other weaknesses of course, which are just too inconvenient to many WP people to mention but deep down inside their hearts, after all the passions and fanatic emotions worn out, they will start to realize that there are indeed great deficiencies in their various MPs which have already been pointed out by many people, including me.
When reality set in, expectation and objective management must adjust as well. You just can't go on charging like a bull in a china shop.
Goh Meng Seng
I have always been very objective in my assessment and in fact, the weaknesses mentioned here by other people like Scroobal, are not new to me as I have already pointed out long ago. There are other weaknesses of course, which are just too inconvenient to many WP people to mention but deep down inside their hearts, after all the passions and fanatic emotions worn out, they will start to realize that there are indeed great deficiencies in their various MPs which have already been pointed out by many people, including me.
When reality set in, expectation and objective management must adjust as well. You just can't go on charging like a bull in a china shop.
Goh Meng Seng
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