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Tengah BTO Chiller system has now become a farking Joke of The Century, forcing residents to pay thousands of $$$ for cancellation, LOL.

Hightech88

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The problem is now worse than expected, forcing residents to pay up to $6000+ for cancellation of the cooling system, LMAO.

Now the whole project is so screwed up that more than 100 residents have to write petition to PMO office before SP Services can wake up their farking idea.

From misleading 30 precent electricity savings to now suddenly amended and drop to only "17 percent savings" with creative long-term calculations some more, LOL.

With all the ranjiao unsightly trunking, 30 mins delay in cooling etc , I think SP Group can take the so-called '17 % savings" and shove it in their ass.

From the looks of it, it is best that the whole freaking disgraceful project be stopped and all such ranjiao chiller trunkings and equipment be completely torn down and removed with all units with aircon retrofitted back with conventional aircon compressor and units all costs to be borne by SP Group for causing so much inconvenience to the residents and deceiving the public. They should also be fined significantly by HDB. HDB and the PCB PAP-Gov should also partly shoulder the blame. Minister in charge should also apologize to all the Tengah residents.

The common corridor fugly pipes can perhaps recover some monies as scrap metal, LOL.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...?cid=internal_inarticlelinks_web_18122023_tdy

SP Group to cut cooling system usage rate, waives fees till year-end after Tengah homeowners' complaints​


The centralised cooling system in a four-room flat in Tengah (left), and the system's pipes running into a unit from the front door (right).


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The centralised cooling system in a four-room flat in Tengah (left), and the system's pipes running into a unit from the front door (right).

SINGAPORE — National grid operator SP Group said on Monday (Nov 6) that it will waive all centralised cooling system usage charges for Tengah homeowners till the end of this year and lower the usage rate from Jan 1, following a slew of complaints from residents.

In a “further gesture of goodwill”, homeowners who choose to cancel the installation of the system will only have to fork out half of the payment originally required, added SP Group.

In recent weeks, residents have written to the authorities and started an online petition about their concerns with the cost and management of the system, among other concerns.

A group of more than 100 residents sent a letter dated Oct 27 to the Prime Minister’s Office, expressing their "anxiety and disappointment over the issues" with the system. They detailed five key concerns: excessive charges, misleading advertisement and information, a lack of transparency, cancellation policy issues, and poor communication.

One of the main concerns included how the supposed cost savings from opting for the cooling system instead of conventional air conditioning appeared to be lower than what they were told.

They also pointed out that the current chilled water usage rate of S$0.2038 per kilowatt-hour refrigeration (kWrh) for October to November had increased compared to previous quarters. SP Group sets the chilled water usage rate of the cooling system, which is updated quarterly.

The residents asked for usage rates to be adjusted, or for fees to be completely waived for those looking to terminate their centralised cooling system contract.

Issues with the centralised cooling system, a sustainable alternative to air conditioning pioneered in the new Tengah housing estate, have cropped up since before residents began collecting their keys in end-August.


As of Nov 6, about 1,109 units out of 2,333 units in the first two Tengah projects — Plantation Acres and Plantation Grange — have collected their keys, said the Housing and Development Board (HDB) in response to CNA’s queries.

CNA earlier reported that homeowners found the trunking of the cooling system too bulky or unsightly. Others who began using the system found condensation or leakages, or that temperatures were not cold enough.

Unlike conventional air conditioning which uses refrigerants, the cooling system removes heat by piping chilled water into homes from centralised chillers on selected housing blocks. These pipes run through corridors and into each unit via the front door.

SP Group manages the sign-ups, installation and maintenance of the system and works with air-con manufacturer Daikin, which is responsible for installing indoor units, diagnosing and resolving reported issues.

While already adopted commercially, the cooling system is new to public housing and optional for homeowners. Residents can still choose to install conventional air-conditioning.

The option for centralised cooling is presented to new homeowners after they apply for their build-to-order flats. Homeowners will be given a tour of the MyTengah experience centre at HDB Hub, where they will be briefed on how the cooling system works and its benefits.

Upon signing a contract, homeowners would be given a 30-day cooling-off period, after which cancelling the contract would result in a 35 per cent penalty.

USAGE CHARGES​

On Monday, SP Group said it understands the concept of a centralised cooling system for residential homes is new, and “some time may be needed” for the earlier batches of homeowners to get used to it.

“Hence, as an additional goodwill gesture, SP will waive all centralised cooling system usage charges for Tengah customers during this interim period from now to Dec 31, 2023,” it said.

As for monthly usage charges, residents had pointed to various sources which advertised 30 per cent cost savings from using the cooling system compared to conventional air conditioning. These include the MyTengah website, which stated "30 per cent life cycle savings compared to conventional air-conditioning systems".
However the amount was recently amended to "17 per cent life cycle cost savings", upsetting residents.


Some took to a Telegram chat group to share cost estimates of their cooling system based on current usage rates, comparing them to data provided by brands of conventional air-conditioning systems.

They also noted that they have not been able to compare the full, sustained cost of using the centralised cooling system as SP Group had waived the chilled water charges from Oct 9 to Oct 31 during their checks.

Ms Chan Sze, who in her 30s and has a two-room flat in Plantation Grange, said that based on her meter readings so far, the cost of running the cooling system seemed "quite high".

"It ranges from about 2 kWrh to 4 kWrh per hour for my two-room flat (with one indoor unit), which is about S$0.45 to S$0.87 per hour. This is about the same as conventional (air conditioning) on the low end and almost twice as expensive on the high end."


Pointing out that cost savings had been marketed as 30 per cent, Ms Chan, who does administrative work, said: "It just feels (like) there is a mismatch of what we were sold and what (is) now received."

In their letter to the Prime Minister, residents further noted that the current quarter’s usage rate — S$0.2038 per kWrh — was nearly three times more the expected rate originally indicated by SP Group, despite only a 48 per cent increase in electricity costs since then.

In response, SP Group laid out the reasons behind the increase.

It also announced it would not charge homeowners for using the centralised cooling system till Dec 31, and will adjust the usage rate to S$0.132 per kWrh (before Goods and Services Tax) from Jan 1 next year.

It noted that residents’ claims of the original expected usage rate being S$0.072, as indicated by SP Group, “appears to be derived from an assumed cooling energy consumption of 10,200 kWrh”.

The usage rate charge is reviewed and adjusted quarterly, similar to electricity and gas tariffs. It was estimated at S$0.09 per kWrh in 2020 based on the electricity tariff, planned project costs and cooling energy consumption, said SP Group.

However, electricity cost has risen almost 50 per cent from S$0.196 per kWh in 2020 to S$0.287 per kWh now. Project costs have also increased 20 per cent due to the pandemic.

Taking these factors into account, along with an estimated lower cooling energy consumption, the expected centralised cooling system usage charge rate was increased to S$0.2038 per kWrh on Oct 1.

SP Group acknowledged that this increase from S$0.09 per kWrh “will have some impact" on the initial estimate of up to 30 per cent savings.

Tengah homeowners have not been billed on this rate yet as SP Group is performing an additional quality assurance service check on all flats, even though the rate has been published online.

With some initial usage data from Tengah households, SP Group added that it has “updated our assumptions and completed a review of the usage charge rate”.

The quality assurance process is ongoing for 330 households, with 43 per cent having completed the process so far.

CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS​

In terms of cancellation fees, some residents said they were only recently told to pay 135 per cent the cost of their contract for the centralised cooling system if they pulled out.

One of these residents, Ms Geraldine Ong, is due to collect her keys to her flat at Plantation Acres at the end of this month.

The accountant – also part of the group of residents who signed the letter – had wanted to cancel the cooling system as she was worried about leaking, the usage cost and SP Group's unresponsiveness to her queries.

The 38-year-old said she was asked to pay 135 per cent of the cost of her cooling system when she spoke to an SP staff member on Oct 24.

The cost of her five indoor units is S$4,500 excluding the Goods and Services Tax. This means that she may have to fork out S$6,075 if she terminates, an amount Ms Ong described as "crazy".

She expressed disappointment that SP Group had not pointed out the relevant clauses in the contract when she signed the agreement.

IT professionals Mr Sun, 33, and Mrs Sun, 30, told CNA about their worries of incurring a hefty loss if they cancelled their contract.

The system has already been installed in their five-room flat at Plantation Village; they are due to collect their keys in the first quarter of next year.

Their five indoor units costs S$4,917, including the additional cost of shifting a unit.

The couple had found that the cooling system's trunking ran into the toilet, affecting their renovation plans there. They were not made aware of this design when they signed up.

They also cited SP Group’s unresponsiveness to their queries as a factor in deciding to cancel their contract.

On Monday, SP Group said SP Group collects 35 per cent of the installation charge from customers who choose not to proceed with the system after a 30-day cooling off period when they sign an installation agreement. This is due to costs and resources incurred to secure supply and contracts for the installation.

Customers also have to pay the full installation charge if they choose not to proceed after the fan coil units, piping and cabling have been installed.

However, SP Group said it will now reduce the payment to be collected by 50 per cent in the event of cancellation as a “further gesture of goodwill”.

This was after taking into account feedback from the early batch of homeowners and the initial issues that cropped up.

DEFECTS RECTIFIED​

In terms of defects, SP Group said that as of Oct 27, 88 per cent – or 470 out of a total of 536 reported defects – have been resolved.

The group is working to rectify the remaining 66 reported defects as soon as possible, and is in close contact with these residents who come from 48 households, it added.

SP Group said that residents who were among the first to collect their keys had reported workmanship issues with the fan coil units in their centralised cooling system.

This "largely stemmed from construction constraints caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, leading to HDB’s accelerated construction timeline to hand over the blocks to residents”, added SP Group.

Because of this, the group did not have enough time to perform checks and ensure the smooth running of the system, before residents of the earlier batches of flats collected their keys.

“SP is committed to rectifying the issues, and we have in place a systematic and convenient issues reporting and rectification process for residents. Issues reported are typically attended to by the next business day, and we aim to resolve these issues within 10 business days,” it said.

Moving forward, SP Group said it has seen a reduction in the feedback rate on the centralised cooling system for flats handed over in October, compared to blocks handed over in the previous two months.

It added that it worked closely with HDB to allow its installation teams to conduct checks before owners collected their keys.

LIFE CYCLE COSTS​

SP Group also noted that after the usage rate is adjusted from Jan 1, customers can benefit from life cycle savings of up to 30 per cent in comparison to conventional split unit air-conditioning over a 20-year period.

However, because some residents may not stay in their homes for 20 years, SP Group said it worked out the estimated life cycle costs over a shorter period of seven years – the life span of a condenser unit of a conventional air-conditioning system.

SP Group cautioned that “meaningful cost comparisons" must be done on a “like-for-like basis”, owing to the differences between the centralised cooling system and a conventional air-conditioning system.

Life cycle costs of the centralised cooling system are calculated based on the costs for hardware, equipment replacement and maintenance, and monthly system usage over 20 years.

SP GROUP’S ENGAGEMENT WITH RESIDENTS​

SP Group also said it has engaged with residents from more than 2,000 households through various platforms in the last 12 months.

“Besides the Tengah website and app, we have held 18 events for residents to provide updates on their upcoming centralised cooling system activation and address their queries in person,” it added.

Meanwhile, HDB said it will continue to “monitor feedback” and support SP Group to ensure the roll-out of the centralised cooling system in Tengah “proceeds as smoothly as possible”.

SP Group said in its statement: “We apologise that our service delivery and communications with customers have fallen short of expectations.

“We will endeavour to improve our customers’ experience with the centralised cooling system. We thank our customers for their support, patience and understanding.” CNA
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'Sustainability' is a scam from the anti-carbon globalist cult and their accomplices around the world.

The anti-carbon stuff is just the tip of the iceberg, this is their entire game plan. Their blueprint to enslave humanity. Wake up.

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A perfect example of how the average Sinkie is so dumb that they cannot figure out offhand that having a middleman that you subcontract your air-conditioning needs will raise your costs, for both the initial investments and long term operations.
Then they become the goondus as captured clients, anytime to be subjected to threats, unfair terms, and surprise fee hikes.

Good luck to those who still continue to stay opting in as the costs of those who opted out will be borne by you!
 

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BTO are meant for those who wants a condo badly but no enuf money and yet feel too low-ses living in normal HDB flats. No pity for such 高不成低不就 fuckers.
 

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A perfect example of how the average Sinkie is so dumb that they cannot figure out offhand that having a middleman that you subcontract your air-conditioning needs will raise your costs, for both the initial investments and long term operations.
Then they become the goondus as captured clients, anytime to be subjected to threats, unfair terms, and surprise fee hikes.

Good luck to those who still continue to stay opting in as the costs of those who opted out will be borne by you!

Sinkies are the most gullible lot that loves to be screwed over and over again.
 

laksaboy

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BTO are meant for those who wants a condo badly but no enuf money and yet feel too low-ses living in normal HDB flats. No pity for such 高不成低不就 fuckers.

Even if you want a BTO and experience the joys of 'home ownership'... at least pick a better spot that that shithole known as Tengah. :rolleyes:

To me, the likes of Bukit Panjang and Choa Chu Kang are already inaccessible shitholes, Tengah actually makes those places seem wonderful by comparison.:roflmao:
 

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'Sustainability' is a scam from the anti-carbon globalist cult and their accomplices around the world.

The anti-carbon stuff is just the tip of the iceberg, this is their entire game plan. Their blueprint to enslave humanity. Wake up.

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And who is the fucking Minister in charge? DisGraceFu?
 

Hightech88

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Even if you want a BTO and experience the joys of 'home ownership'... at least pick a better spot that that shithole known as Tengah. :rolleyes:

To me, the likes of Bukit Panjang and Choa Chu Kang are already inaccessible shitholes, Tengah actually makes those places seem wonderful by comparison.:roflmao:

Besides chilled aircon problem, they also faced accessibility issues, looks like this estate is cursed, LOL:

Key sentence: " TODAY has reached out to Dr Amy Khor, who is the Member of Parliament for Hong Kah North Single Member Constituency, for comment. "

https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...port-groceries-amenities-connectivity-2327551

Tengah’s early residents bemoan lack of amenities, transport options and connectivity​


The construction works in Tengah estate on Dec 15, 2023.


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The construction works in Tengah estate on Dec 15, 2023.

  • Residents of Tengah’s recently completed projects in Plantation District are concerned about the lack of amenities and food options in the area
  • HDB recently announced the installation of vending machines and a mobile grocery truck for its residents, but many feel they are not enough
  • Residents also cited difficulties with transportation, poor cellular networks and the prevalence of dust and mosquitoes in their estate
  • Despite the myriad issues raised, several residents added that they understood that the amenities would take time to build
Published December 17, 2023 Updated December 18, 2023

SINGAPORE — It was 4am and Mr Jay Chan was up and about, prowling his neighbourhood. He was looking for Panadol.

His wife had suddenly fallen ill, and Mr Chan was struggling to find a convenience store near his new Tengah flat.

He eventually found a 24-hour supermarket that was a 25-minute walk from the Plantation Grange development where he lives. But he only managed to return with the medicine an hour after he left home.

"It's ridiculous," said the 36-year-old civil servant of the situation. That incident even made him flirt with the thought of getting a personal mobility device in case of emergencies when public transport is not available.

Plantation Grange is one of the three projects in Tengah's Plantation District that the Housing and Development Board (HDB) have issued keys for. According to HDB, keys for around 2,019 out of the 3,753 units in these projects have been collected as of Dec 5.

Presently, the only bus stop in the vicinity for residents there is located near Plantation Acres — which is about a five- to 10-minute walk from Plantation Grange.

Residents said that the closest supermarket and eateries are at Le Quest Mall, with a food court also nearby at Bukit Batok West Avenue 8. They are four bus stops and around a 10-minute walk away from Plantation Acres respectively.

However, those establishments are not open overnight.

This lack of accessible amenities is just one of the concerns that Tengah's early residents raised to TODAY, which also included a lack of transport options, poor mobile connectivity, and the prevalence of dust and mosquitoes.

In a media statement by HDB on Wednesday (Dec 13), its deputy chief executive Johnny Wong said that the amenities and major transport facilities in a new housing town like Tengah will take some time to build up.

"This is unlike most other BTO developments which are built within existing HDB towns, where there are already developed infrastructure, as well as existing amenities and facilities in close proximity for residents’ use," Mr Wong said.

INTERIM AMENITIES ‘NOT ENOUGH’​

HDB said in its statement that Tengah’s residents can buy food items and daily necessities from an NTUC FairPrice mobile grocery truck and food vending machines in the estate.

The truck operates from 3pm to 8pm on Wednesdays and Fridays every week at the loading bay of Block 111A in Plantation Acres, and at the first-storey car park near Block 133A at Plantation Grange on Thursdays.

The five vending machines are located near the lift landing of Block 111A.
These are part of interim measures to improve accessibility to groceries and daily necessities, and enhance residents’ convenience while the new town is progressively built up, HDB said.

Some residents told TODAY that they appreciated these efforts, but they said that the truck and vending machines do not fully meet their needs.
“I think the timing (of the truck) is a bit off. At 3pm everyone’s working, not everybody’s at home,” said 37-year-old preschool teacher Vijayalakshmi Amarthalingam, who moved into her flat at Plantation Grange three months ago.

Both Ms Vijayalakshmi and Mr Chan said they had managed to visit the mobile truck only once since the initiative started on Nov 22 as its opening hours did not align with their schedules.
“There’s also not much inside unless you need emergency groceries like rice and eggs… If you want to get other things, it’s still better to get them from elsewhere,” Ms Vijayalakshmi added.
When TODAY visited Plantation Acres on Friday and Sunday, three of the five vending machines at Block 111A stated that cashless payment was unavailable due to “inadequate network coverage”. However, the slots to insert coins were also sealed up.

HDB said last week that one machine selling beverages, cut fruit and snacks, and another machine selling halal hot food items such as nasi lemak and nasi rendang, have been in operation since early December, and that two more vending machines will be operational progressively.

Ms Serene Teo, a 42-year-old corporate secretary who will move into her flat at Plantation Grange before the year ends, said she was concerned about her child’s food options after he returns home from primary school next year.

“There’s nothing here, really nothing… Once the kid comes back, then how? We are also working. We have to solve this issue before we move in,” she said.

For another couple, who wanted to be known only as Mr and Mrs Chai, the lack of food options and amenities was “expected, but (still) inconvenient.”
The couple, whose flat in Tengah is currently undergoing renovations, added that residents would be more enticed to move in once there are more food options available to them in the vicinity.

The option of getting food and groceries via delivery applications is not straightforward either, said some residents who live in Plantation Grange.
The road leading to the car park and drop-off point there is currently only accessible via Tengah Boulevard off Tengah Drive, and not Plantation Crescent where the Plantation District’s only bus stop is located.

Food delivery riders also have difficulties navigating the estate, as the global positioning system (GPS) on online maps has not been updated, said Mr Saiful Anwar, a 30-year-old assistant engineer who plans to move into his flat early next year.
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Ili Nadhirah Mansor/TODAYA sign at a vending machine at the void deck of Block 111A in Plantation Acres at Tengah informing residents that cashless payment is unavailable due to poor network coverage, on Dec 15, 2023.
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Ili Nadhirah Mansor/TODAYThe mobile NTUC FairPrice truck near Block 111A in Plantation Acres in Tengah, on Dec 15, 2023.
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Ili Nadhirah Mansor/TODAYThe interior of the mobile NTUC FairPrice truck on Dec 15, 2023.
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Ili Nadhirah Mansor/TODAYMs Vijayalakshmi Amarthalingam looking at the vending machine at the void deck of Block 111A in Plantation Acres at Tengah, on Dec 15, 2023.

TRANSPORTATION WOES​

The GPS issue affects the residents’ transport needs, too.

“Can you imagine if there’s an emergency at night? If I want to call a cab, the cab cannot even come,” said Mr Chan. He was first attracted to the developments in Tengah because of the greenery and promise of a car-lite neighbourhood.

Mr Patrick Lai, a 76-year-old retiree who lives in Plantation Grange, said that he had tried multiple times to book a ride via ride-hailing applications, only to have his ride cancelled after waiting 10 to 15 minutes.

“The (drivers) cannot find the place. The GPS will cut off once they reach Tengah Drive, so they don’t know where to go,” he said.
Two new bus services – 992 and 870 – were introduced in Tengah on Sept 24 and Nov 26 respectively to connect residents to transport hubs and key amenities in Bukit Batok and Jurong East.

HDB said last Wednesday that it has also implemented an interim free bus shuttle service from Aug 29 to ferry residents from the bus stop at Plantation Crescent to Bukit Batok and back.

While some residents were glad that Service 870 was added, others said that getting around via public transport is still a troublesome affair.

Several parents bemoaned the buses’ lack of connectivity to nearby primary schools.

Mr Ng Chee Nang, a 56-year-old engineer, said that his son would be enrolling either to Dazhong or St Anthony’s Primary School next year.

Both schools are less than 3km or a five-minute drive away from their home in Tengah, but his son would have to spend 25 to 35 minutes taking two public buses to reach his destination every morning.
“It’s the classic ‘so near yet so far’,” Mr Ng said.

DUST, MOSQUITOES AND WEAK SIGNALS​

A host of other concerns surfaced in TODAY’s conversations with almost 20 Tengah residents about their estate.
Chief among them was the issue of dust, which residents said would get into their homes.

Mr Chan, the civil servant, said that he developed rashes soon after moving into his flat and had to buy air purifiers for his home — but he would still leave his windows open for ventilation.

Mr Jonathan Clyde said he and his wife “do not intend to open our windows for the next three to four months” when they move in next week.
“Because it’s a new area and there’s constant construction, there’s no way around it,” said the 32-year-old who works in sales.

HDB said on Wednesday that its contractors have increased the frequency of washing the roads to twice weekly to mitigate the issue of dust arising from ongoing construction works.

Some residents are also concerned about the estate potentially breeding mosquitoes.
“The landscape here is not fully done up and some areas are quite soiled, and this may attract mosquitoes,” said a senior bank manager in his 40s who wished to be known only as Mr Goh.

“There's a ponding of water here whenever it rains… so I think that’s a safety issue, especially for a family like ours with young kids.”
Connectivity is also an issue in several parts of the estate. Indeed, on both of TODAY’s visits to the Plantation District in Tengah, cellular networks were unpredictable.

“The reception here is really bad. In my house, there’s only one corner that has reception. If my boss wants to call me, he has to call me over Wi-Fi,” Mr Chan quipped.

Despite the myriad issues raised, several residents added that they understood that the amenities would take time to build.

“We have to consider that because of Covid-19, all these (developments) have been delayed for the longest time. So I don’t think it’s that easy as HDB would have a lot of constraints to set up these amenities,” Mr Goh said.
“I think a place to stay is more important than amenities.”

TODAY has reached out to Dr Amy Khor, who is the Member of Parliament for Hong Kah North Single Member Constituency, for comment.

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SP is one of the last cash cows for the govt as revenue comes from all of us. as with all these companies that are still 100% controlled by them, they are staff with totally incompetent people, usually (i) old timers that have been there for more than 20-30 years both junior and senior staff, (ii) young scholars that don't know shit but are just passing through the system and (iii) the incredible cock suckers that are able to hide in a system, do nothing and still be able to survive by just cock sucking. (iii) are also the ones that "volunteers" full-time for the IB/PA/grassroots etc using SP as their "black" budget.

The directors are no better, cut from the same cloth and just sitting there rubber stamping and waiting for next assignment or instruction.
 
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