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Serious Sinkies Balls Shrinked - DBS UOB OCBC Sexposed by Hin Leong

Nice-Gook

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just to add and not to argue for argument sake..

even in properties pledged ...for eg ,say you pledge your bungalow as a collateral to a bank and say you default....the bank just because your property is pledged cannot take ownership and tell you to get lost..
it still must go through the legal process through the court to take legal possession of your property ...so legality cannot be avoided in any litigation no mattet how water tight the bank
 

Nice-Gook

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just to add and not to argue for argument sake..

even in properties pledged ...for eg ,say you pledge your bungalow as a collateral to a bank and say you default....the bank just because your property is pledged cannot take ownership and tell you to get lost..
it still must go through the legal process through the court to take legal possession of your property ...so legality cannot be avoided in any litigation no mattet how water tight the bank
 

GUDANGARAM

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why Singapore government does not use this opportunity to keep oil stock? oil is cheap and Singapore government should buy more.
However, Singapore will not do this cause government strategy is to buy high sell low
 

nayr69sg

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why Singapore government does not use this opportunity to keep oil stock? oil is cheap and Singapore government should buy more.
However, Singapore will not do this cause government strategy is to buy high sell low
Singapore want to be green mah.

Going full solar power by 2069.
 

Loofydralb

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DBS, OCBC, UOB faced with over US$600m total exposure to Hin Leong
More than 20 banks have a combined exposure of at least US$3b to oil trader
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Singapore

SINGAPORE's three local banks have a combined exposure of at least US$600 million to troubled oil trader Hin Leong Trading, sources familiar with the matter have told The Business Times.

Of the three, DBS Group Holdings has the highest exposure at around US$290 million; OCBC Bank is owed about US$220 million, and United Overseas Bank (UOB) had let Hin Leong draw down more than US$100 million as at early April, sources said.

Representatives from DBS, OCBC Bank and UOB declined to comment.

Hin Leong, one of Singapore's biggest shipping-fuel suppliers, was reported to be in talks with its lenders last week after the oil price crash blew a hole in its balance sheet.

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In total, more than 20 banks have a combined exposure of at least US$3 billion to Hin Leong, led by HSBC with a US$600 million exposure. ABN Amro has the second highest exposure at around US$300 million, sources said.

How serious a hit banks will have to take is not known yet, though the damage will vary from lender to lender.

Most of OCBC's exposure, for instance, is through letters of credit issued on behalf of Hin Leong to guarantee its ability to pay its suppliers, sources said. Letters of credit are a kind of contingent liability so banks are not required to make as large of a provision as for direct liabilities.

Industry watchers said Hin Leong will probably try to see how it can move forward without filing for bankruptcy protection, to preserve as much of the company's value as it can. But this will require consent from all its lenders, and fresh cash for working capital.

For now, the oil trader is still ascertaining how much cash, inventory and trade receivables it has. The firm is believed to have been profitable last year. Then this year, the oil price crashed.

It is difficult for Hin Leong to hedge oil price risks for its physical stock due to the fast turnover in its business, where it sources fuel from suppliers to ship directly to tugs and barges, one observer said.

Indeed, the company has survived past oil slumps because in those cases, it could still move its stock to manage cashflow. This time however, the Covid-19 outbreak created a demand vacuum.

A person in a separate commodities trading firm said: "Hin Leong does not hedge its physical stocks, hence it cannot weather the storm of low oil prices and poor demand. Inventory gets stuck... This event is an unprecedented demand destruction event and they are truly exposed."

With many firms under severe strain from Covid-19, analysts are bracing for more bankruptcies this year, especially among small and medium-sized firms faced with near-zero revenues.

Thilan Wickramasinghe, banking analyst at Maybank Kim Eng, said the impact will be felt by local banks: "We expect overall credit charges to be materially higher during this round compared to the oil and gas crisis (circa 2016-2017). At that time, the impact was isolated in one business segment of the economy. The current crisis impacts almost all segments."

Banking analyst Daniel Tabbush, who publishes on Smartkarma, added: "There is no way to know if the banks are provided for these loans. You have seen all the commentary from the International Monetary Fund and data from the US about this period being more like the Great Depression than the Great Financial Crisis. There will be a lot of bankruptcies at the corporate level, and at the consumer level, defaults."

But Eugene Tarzimanov, a Moody's senior credit officer, was more upbeat: "The immediate effect of a significant decrease in oil prices will be mostly manageable for the largest Singapore banks DBS, OCBC and UOB because they have extensively provisioned and cleaned up their exposures to the most vulnerable energy borrowers since the 2015-16 oil price drop. We expect that the residual risk in their energy books is small.

"Singapore banks have also large exposures to commodity traders, in line with the country's role as a regional financial hub. We understand that the vast majority of these exposure is to financially strong and diversified traders. Moreover, the facilities are collateralised."
Let's look at what happened in 1998 when DBS and other banks was caught in the financial crisis.

POSB ordered to bail out DBS and MOF became even bigger shareholder. One problem solved but POSB which was govt guarantteed was abolished. Also to make it juicier, banks are allowed to make HDB loans and had first call on default, something that hadwas never allowed to happen before. Meaning if lessees defaulted they would have been allowed to stay on, before the new rulings. One problem solved.

UOB and OUB was armtwisted to merge as alone they would not stand a chance against the market. Other international banks would have to buy them cheap or they go bust. If the international banks would have majority stakes in these banks, they will hold Sg to ransom. Something LKY knew instinctively will happen. So it became UOB. Two problem solved.

All other smaller banks like TLB and finance companies are coaxed to slowly dissolve. LKYknew where their skeletons were kept anyway. So they meekly complied. In the meantime, they tried to take the fight back to the angmohs. They started buying banks to make the angmoh beat a retreat. But the costs over the years have been enourmous. Three problems solved.

Now coming back to the present. There is no other deep pocket able to rescue this 2 banks except Temasek and GIC. If it comes to the crunch, SG will basically own 2 national banks. You citizens will be bailing them out. Again, Sinkies get the short end of the stick just so that the Sg brand continues to fly. So beware when you invest in these 2 banks.

And finally in the midst of the crisis, an some old man conned us. He said there is no V-shaped recovery. Its going to be an L-shaped recovery. You've been warned.
 
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syed putra

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If you ask me, hin leong will be a good fit for petronas,
Petronas have tankers under misc and eagle tankers which they bought from PAP.
And that new refinery in jb will need outlets for its products.
 

realDonaldTrump

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If sinkees move their money offshore, local banks will increase interest rate to attract those money back.

There are such good lobangs in Singapore. CIMB and Maybank usually offers higher Fixed Deposits rates and HL Bank (not HL Finance), CIMB and SCB also have interest-bearing current accounts for the rich or less-rich with not lock-in periods.
 

Scrooball (clone)

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This company is crooked as hell.

Pledged physical oil to the banks as collaterals for the loans, but sold it to others. If that’s the case, the sky is the limit when it comes to securing endless loans.

I guess the only issue is what happens when the loans are due. Play the ponzi shit of using Bank A loan to service Bank B repayment can only work for a few years, not eternity.
 

mahjongking

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why Singapore government does not use this opportunity to keep oil stock? oil is cheap and Singapore government should buy more.
However, Singapore will not do this cause government strategy is to buy high sell low


they probably bought a lot already..... store at jurong island and sell to us at 2.50 a LITRE few months down the road
 

krafty

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who the heck isn't aware that oil price has always been manipulated, ok lim is just a victim.
 
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