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MFA goes on its knees when U.S. takes action

winnipegjets

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What's the worst case scenario? Trade blockade? Iran/NK style sanctions? Singapore as an axis of evil?

Please....

Yeah lor, no big deal mah. Why is MFA fussying over a cut in US funding for IME? If US stops all technology transfer, sinkapore can always get it from the Chinese, the North Koreans and Iranians.
Don't sweat it. Kick out all the Americans from sinkapore and join the axis of evil.
 

kingrant

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The Singapore govt thinks it can deal with the US on a G to G level but it is finding it frustrating because the US system is unlike any other. It's executive powers are so divided up due to their constitutional bias to keep a balance of powers between the Legislative, the Judiciary and the exec branch that even Obama in this instance can do fuckall. Senators and Congressmen wield a lot of local and lobbying power, so this is going to be a long night. It's like facing down a Hydra.
 

eatshitndie

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The Singapore govt thinks it can deal with the US on a G to G level but it is finding it frustrating because the US system is unlike any other. It's executive powers are so divided up due to their constitutional bias to keep a balance of powers between the Legislative, the Judiciary and the exec branch that even Obama in this instance can do fuckall. Senators and Congressmen wield a lot of local and lobbying power, so this is going to be a long night. It's like facing down a Hydra.

you are quite right on this observation, and i'm going to award you points for this. :biggrin:
 

crackhead

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The US needs to take care of its on big backyard first before interfering in other places......its just wayang by the Senators for the people only lah.....

http://washingtonexaminer.com/watchdog-alert-fbi-arrests-nasa-contract-employee-trying-to-flee-to-china/article/2524691

FBI arrests NASA contractor employee trying to flee to China

Bo Jiang, the Chinese national scientist employed by a NASA contractor for work at the space agency's Langley Research Center, was arrested Sunday by the FBI at Dulles International Airport as he tried to flee to China, according to Rep. Frank Wolf, R-VA. Wolf said during a Capitol Hill news conference today that Jiang’s work at the NASA facility had given him access to information that “would be of the greatest interest to foreign spies, including China.” Wolf is chairman of a House Appropriations Committee subcommittee that has budget oversight authority for NASA.

He made Jiang's name public for the first time last week during a subcommittee hearing where he also charged that Jiang had taken “voluminous sensitive” NASA documents back to China on a trip in 2012. Jiang was employed by the National Institute of Aerospace, a Hampton, VA-based NASA contractor. The position afforded Jiang virtually unlimited, unescorted access to the NASA Langley facility, which is the location for classified research programs related to U.S. space defense technologies.

Ronda Squizzero, an FBI Special Agent said in documents Wolf made available today concerning Jiang’s arrest that he “was leaving the United States abruptly to return to China on a one-way ticket.” The FBI is “investigating conspiracies and substantive violations of the Arms Export Control Act,” according to the FBI’s arrest warrant. Jiang also is charged with making a false statement to federal law enforcement agents, including his attempt to conceal a “laptop, and old hard drive and a SIM card,” according to the FBI agent. The FBI said it “believes this to be material to the federal investigation, in that it was important to learn what electronic media Jiang was taking out of the United States.”

Wolf said the Chinese national’s activities came to his attention from whistleblowers who worked at NASA Langley. "I want to credit the whistleblowers at NASA who brought Mr. Jiang’s security violations to my attention, which resulted in this investigation,” Wolf said at today’s news conference. After learning about Jiang, Wolf met with the FBI’s counterintelligence office and called FBI Director Robert Mueller about Jiang. Wolf said he hopes to learn more about the information contained on Jiang’s hard drive. He said “we know that Mr. Jiang has in the past taken sensitive information back to China that he should not have been allowed to remove at Langley.” Wolf also said he believes Jiang’s information “may pertain to the source code for high-tech imaging technology that Jiang has been working on with NASA. This information could have significant military applications for the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army.”

Sensitive technologies that are supposed to be strictly limited by U.S. export control laws are essential to U.S. space defense programs, but Wolf said they could also apply to “unmanned aerial vehicles and other aerospace/aeronautic technologies.” During the same hearing last week in which Wolf revealed Jiang’s name, NASA Inspector-General Paul Martin said he believes there are nearly 200 Chinese nationals working in positions that afford them significant access to the agency and its programs.

Wolf has long expressed concern about the security of space defense secrets and has complained of lax security at NASA Langley and NASA Ames Research Center. NASA Ames is outside of San Francisco. Wolf has said he believes NASA officials encouraged NIA to hire Jiang as a means to “circumvent” congressional restrictions on the hiring of foreign nationals by the space agency. He released an internal NASA email that defended giving Jiang “an exception” to hire him. “I think it would be in the government’s best interests to be able to continue our work with him,” a NASA Langely official wrote.

Before Jiang’s detention Sunday, the last time the FBI arrested a Chinese national in the U.S. on suspicion of espionage activity was 2006 in a case concerning aviation issues. Doongfan “Greg” Chung, a former Rockwell Internationa and Boeing engineer was convicted in 2009 of economic espionage and acting as an agent of the Peoples Republic of China. An FBI search of Chung’s home in 2006 found 250,000 Boeing documents in his possession.

Jiang was to be arraigned today in a U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Norfolk, VA. Assistant U.S. Attorney Lisa R. McKeel will handle the prosecution case for the government.
 

steffychun

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The US needs to take care of its on big backyard first before interfering in other places......its just wayang by the Senators for the people only lah.....

http://washingtonexaminer.com/watchdog-alert-fbi-arrests-nasa-contract-employee-trying-to-flee-to-china/article/2524691

FBI arrests NASA contractor employee trying to flee to China

Bo Jiang, the Chinese national scientist employed by a NASA contractor for work at the space agency's Langley Research Center, was arrested Sunday by the FBI at Dulles International Airport as he tried to flee to China, according to Rep. Frank Wolf, R-VA. Wolf said during a Capitol Hill news conference today that Jiang’s work at the NASA facility had given him access to information that “would be of the greatest interest to foreign spies, including China.” Wolf is chairman of a House Appropriations Committee subcommittee that has budget oversight authority for NASA.

He made Jiang's name public for the first time last week during a subcommittee hearing where he also charged that Jiang had taken “voluminous sensitive” NASA documents back to China on a trip in 2012. Jiang was employed by the National Institute of Aerospace, a Hampton, VA-based NASA contractor. The position afforded Jiang virtually unlimited, unescorted access to the NASA Langley facility, which is the location for classified research programs related to U.S. space defense technologies.

Ronda Squizzero, an FBI Special Agent said in documents Wolf made available today concerning Jiang’s arrest that he “was leaving the United States abruptly to return to China on a one-way ticket.” The FBI is “investigating conspiracies and substantive violations of the Arms Export Control Act,” according to the FBI’s arrest warrant. Jiang also is charged with making a false statement to federal law enforcement agents, including his attempt to conceal a “laptop, and old hard drive and a SIM card,” according to the FBI agent. The FBI said it “believes this to be material to the federal investigation, in that it was important to learn what electronic media Jiang was taking out of the United States.”

Wolf said the Chinese national’s activities came to his attention from whistleblowers who worked at NASA Langley. "I want to credit the whistleblowers at NASA who brought Mr. Jiang’s security violations to my attention, which resulted in this investigation,” Wolf said at today’s news conference. After learning about Jiang, Wolf met with the FBI’s counterintelligence office and called FBI Director Robert Mueller about Jiang. Wolf said he hopes to learn more about the information contained on Jiang’s hard drive. He said “we know that Mr. Jiang has in the past taken sensitive information back to China that he should not have been allowed to remove at Langley.” Wolf also said he believes Jiang’s information “may pertain to the source code for high-tech imaging technology that Jiang has been working on with NASA. This information could have significant military applications for the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army.”

Sensitive technologies that are supposed to be strictly limited by U.S. export control laws are essential to U.S. space defense programs, but Wolf said they could also apply to “unmanned aerial vehicles and other aerospace/aeronautic technologies.” During the same hearing last week in which Wolf revealed Jiang’s name, NASA Inspector-General Paul Martin said he believes there are nearly 200 Chinese nationals working in positions that afford them significant access to the agency and its programs.

Wolf has long expressed concern about the security of space defense secrets and has complained of lax security at NASA Langley and NASA Ames Research Center. NASA Ames is outside of San Francisco. Wolf has said he believes NASA officials encouraged NIA to hire Jiang as a means to “circumvent” congressional restrictions on the hiring of foreign nationals by the space agency. He released an internal NASA email that defended giving Jiang “an exception” to hire him. “I think it would be in the government’s best interests to be able to continue our work with him,” a NASA Langely official wrote.

Before Jiang’s detention Sunday, the last time the FBI arrested a Chinese national in the U.S. on suspicion of espionage activity was 2006 in a case concerning aviation issues. Doongfan “Greg” Chung, a former Rockwell Internationa and Boeing engineer was convicted in 2009 of economic espionage and acting as an agent of the Peoples Republic of China. An FBI search of Chung’s home in 2006 found 250,000 Boeing documents in his possession.

Jiang was to be arraigned today in a U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Norfolk, VA. Assistant U.S. Attorney Lisa R. McKeel will handle the prosecution case for the government.

very much agree my friend. They are the hypocrites in every thing they say.
 
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Kohliantye

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A corrupted leader in a certain corrupted country bought (payment in casH) a property in a third world. You know where the boats are kept okay............

He had many workers and strutted around like a mad landowner everyday....

The poor fisher-folks loved him and offered him a home

His own local guy impregnated the 14 years old daughter.

I do not want to elaborate further for I have seen many a leader and chieftains looking for such dames.

Who is good and Who is BAD is something personal in this forum...............
 

B Man

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As the popular saying amongst the foreign scientists and engineers working in sensitive projects in USA say, " if you want to quit and go home, just buy a ticket and go quietly, send your resignation only when you reach home. And hope that your country does not have any ties that ends up with you being sent back".

They WILL throw you in jail even if you make a hint about resigning... Any form of evidence can be trumped up easily...All to protect their "national interest"

The US needs to take care of its on big backyard first before interfering in other places......its just wayang by the Senators for the people only lah.....

http://washingtonexaminer.com/watchdog-alert-fbi-arrests-nasa-contract-employee-trying-to-flee-to-china/article/2524691

FBI arrests NASA contractor employee trying to flee to China

Bo Jiang, the Chinese national scientist employed by a NASA contractor for work at the space agency's Langley Research Center, was arrested Sunday by the FBI at Dulles International Airport as he tried to flee to China, according to Rep. Frank Wolf, R-VA. Wolf said during a Capitol Hill news conference today that Jiang’s work at the NASA facility had given him access to information that “would be of the greatest interest to foreign spies, including China.” Wolf is chairman of a House Appropriations Committee subcommittee that has budget oversight authority for NASA.

He made Jiang's name public for the first time last week during a subcommittee hearing where he also charged that Jiang had taken “voluminous sensitive” NASA documents back to China on a trip in 2012. Jiang was employed by the National Institute of Aerospace, a Hampton, VA-based NASA contractor. The position afforded Jiang virtually unlimited, unescorted access to the NASA Langley facility, which is the location for classified research programs related to U.S. space defense technologies.

Ronda Squizzero, an FBI Special Agent said in documents Wolf made available today concerning Jiang’s arrest that he “was leaving the United States abruptly to return to China on a one-way ticket.” The FBI is “investigating conspiracies and substantive violations of the Arms Export Control Act,” according to the FBI’s arrest warrant. Jiang also is charged with making a false statement to federal law enforcement agents, including his attempt to conceal a “laptop, and old hard drive and a SIM card,” according to the FBI agent. The FBI said it “believes this to be material to the federal investigation, in that it was important to learn what electronic media Jiang was taking out of the United States.”

Wolf said the Chinese national’s activities came to his attention from whistleblowers who worked at NASA Langley. "I want to credit the whistleblowers at NASA who brought Mr. Jiang’s security violations to my attention, which resulted in this investigation,” Wolf said at today’s news conference. After learning about Jiang, Wolf met with the FBI’s counterintelligence office and called FBI Director Robert Mueller about Jiang. Wolf said he hopes to learn more about the information contained on Jiang’s hard drive. He said “we know that Mr. Jiang has in the past taken sensitive information back to China that he should not have been allowed to remove at Langley.” Wolf also said he believes Jiang’s information “may pertain to the source code for high-tech imaging technology that Jiang has been working on with NASA. This information could have significant military applications for the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army.”

Sensitive technologies that are supposed to be strictly limited by U.S. export control laws are essential to U.S. space defense programs, but Wolf said they could also apply to “unmanned aerial vehicles and other aerospace/aeronautic technologies.” During the same hearing last week in which Wolf revealed Jiang’s name, NASA Inspector-General Paul Martin said he believes there are nearly 200 Chinese nationals working in positions that afford them significant access to the agency and its programs.

Wolf has long expressed concern about the security of space defense secrets and has complained of lax security at NASA Langley and NASA Ames Research Center. NASA Ames is outside of San Francisco. Wolf has said he believes NASA officials encouraged NIA to hire Jiang as a means to “circumvent” congressional restrictions on the hiring of foreign nationals by the space agency. He released an internal NASA email that defended giving Jiang “an exception” to hire him. “I think it would be in the government’s best interests to be able to continue our work with him,” a NASA Langely official wrote.

Before Jiang’s detention Sunday, the last time the FBI arrested a Chinese national in the U.S. on suspicion of espionage activity was 2006 in a case concerning aviation issues. Doongfan “Greg” Chung, a former Rockwell Internationa and Boeing engineer was convicted in 2009 of economic espionage and acting as an agent of the Peoples Republic of China. An FBI search of Chung’s home in 2006 found 250,000 Boeing documents in his possession.

Jiang was to be arraigned today in a U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Norfolk, VA. Assistant U.S. Attorney Lisa R. McKeel will handle the prosecution case for the government.
 

steffychun

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Yeah lor, no big deal mah. Why is MFA fussying over a cut in US funding for IME? If US stops all technology transfer, sinkapore can always get it from the Chinese, the North Koreans and Iranians.
Don't sweat it. Kick out all the Americans from sinkapore and join the axis of evil.

My point being the US eventually wont do anything.
 

maozedong

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Not so simple.
Silly, Singapore wants the US naval base to be here as much as the US.

If you've been following the news, the S'pore gov has repeatedly asked the US to maintain its military presence in this part of the world.
And Obama responded with the "Asian Pivot".


Small countries rarely stay sovereign for long without the protection of a big brother.



Singapore has the carrots and stick in this case. you black funding we block you ships and throw out your logistics base

So simple.
 
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steffychun

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Not so simple.
Silly, Singapore wants the US naval base to be here as much as the US.

If you've been following the news, the S'pore gov has repeatedly asked the US to maintain its military presence in this part of the world.
And Obama responded with the "Asian Pivot".


Small countries rarely stay sovereign for long without the protection of a big brother.

Singapore doesn't need the US umbrella all the time.
 

maozedong

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Doesn't need US umbrella all the time?
So we can ditch US when we like and then ask US for help when we are in need?

Anybody who has done National Service knows that our armed forces won't be able to fight a protracted war, and our only hope is to hold off the invading forces until help arrives. And nobody would be so naive to depend on the United Nations. UN has no army. Most UN joint forces are headed by US. By some estimates, the US has more military weapons than the rest of the world combined.

No sovereign country would let another country dock naval ships in its waters or station troops on its grounds unless there is mutual benefit - because it is a serious matter.
Do you think ROC and Brunei let us set up training camps in their country for nothing? In the case of Brunei, there is probably some unwritten understanding our troops in Brunei would be asked to help out if Brunei is attacked - maybe in non-combat roles. Brunei certainly doesn't need our money (unlike Philippines which probably needed the money it got from Subic bay in the past). Probably likewise for ROC.


But you are right the US probably won't do anything. Everybody will put up a good show.




Singapore doesn't need the US umbrella all the time.
 
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nirvarq

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there're 2 types of communications, remember the wiki leaks.

head of states phones each other all the time.
things are already settled.

the rest is for show only.
wayang.
 
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