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Crumbling of Singapore?
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Where have you been?
we shdnt just trust and believe the pap. the pap has to prove to singaporeans that what it says is true
do u just believe what the pap says?
Re: What Is A Lousy Democracy ?
Not really. That's majoritarianism. Democracy is simply power to the people.
don't be an idiot, democracy simply means rule of the majority. incidentally, 51 in 100 is considered majority
Not really. That's majoritarianism. Democracy is simply power to the people.
I think it is complacency coupled with incompetence.
Re: What Is A Lousy Democracy ?
60% vs 40%, why is the PAP still in power? even if it would be 51 vs 49, everyone still lan lan listen to the majority. power to the people?
60% vs 40%, why is the PAP still in power? even if it would be 51 vs 49, everyone still lan lan listen to the majority. power to the people?
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Re: What Is A Lousy Democracy ?
Power comes from the people
60% vs 40%, why is the PAP still in power? even if it would be 51 vs 49, everyone still lan lan listen to the majority. power to the people?
Power comes from the people
Re: What Is A Lousy Democracy ?
Then the demos (people) do not have kratos (power). Singapore is not a democracy. I'm just explaining to you the subtle difference between democracy and majoritarianism.
60% vs 40%, why is the PAP still in power? even if it would be 51 vs 49, everyone still lan lan listen to the majority. power to the people?
Then the demos (people) do not have kratos (power). Singapore is not a democracy. I'm just explaining to you the subtle difference between democracy and majoritarianism.
Re: What Is A Lousy Democracy ?
Yes, SG is definitely not a democracy
Then the demos (people) do not have kratos (power). Singapore is not a democracy. I'm just explaining to you the subtle difference between democracy and majoritarianism.
Yes, SG is definitely not a democracy
Re: What Is A Lousy Democracy ?
so much for 5 decades of nation building. even i had been hoodwinked by this notion of democracy. the old man is right, the pledge had only been an aspiration :(:(:(
so much for 5 decades of nation building. even i had been hoodwinked by this notion of democracy. the old man is right, the pledge had only been an aspiration :(:(:(
Warped People Wants PAP
There's two version of democracies :
Stupid, selfish and idolatrous people, opportunistic capitalists, traitors, PAP family members or cliques, young and naive kids, cowards and the list goes on ... they are majority. Rebellion may be the last straw for such minority who has a willing mind.
There's two version of democracies :
- old Athenian version = rule of the mob = yes, in sinkiesland
- today's context = freedom, rights, equality, justice, etc. = non-existence here
Stupid, selfish and idolatrous people, opportunistic capitalists, traitors, PAP family members or cliques, young and naive kids, cowards and the list goes on ... they are majority. Rebellion may be the last straw for such minority who has a willing mind.
A very significant factor that shows the cracks in SG that can lead to the crumbling of SG is the PAP's attitude towards their role in SG. The amount paid to the Ministers is not the real issue. It just shows the surface of what is the bigger underlying problem.
The pap Ministers, after much praising from LKY, GCT, believe that they are God's gift to Singapore and Singaporeans. They enter politics on their mighty white horse as saviours of Singaporeans and see themselves as sacrificing for Singaporeans. They think they ought to be honoured, respected, etc and no amount of monetary compensation is too high to pay for them. They hjave a too high and almighty view of themselves. Any Singaporean who has the audacity to challenge them is viewed with disgust.
But Singaporeans dont see the pap as how the PAP sees itself..Singaporeans want a responsible govt who is accountable to the people. And Singaporeans want the pap to be transparent.
There lies the great perception gap between the pap's view of its worth and the citizens view of the pap. If this perception gap is not bridged, it will cause many problems for the pap and Singaporeans in the future
"disgust" is the word I use to describe the feelings of the ah pek & ah mn with their hands clutching a copy of the 联合早报 yesterday. think the headlines certainly caught their attention
"disgust" is the word I use to describe the feelings of the ah pek & ah mn with their hands clutching a copy of the 联合早报 yesterday. think the headlines certainly caught their attention
Here lies the problem.
The pap is disgusted that Singaporeans have the audacity to question their salaries despite the "sacrifices" the pap made for SG.
Singaporeans are disgusted that the pap Ministers asked for Singaporeans' votes during GE claiming they want to serve Singaporeans but when elected, pay themselves obscene salaries.
This gap is hard to bridge.
Truly, a leader who is focused on his pay is unworthy to be a national leader.
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"disgust" is the word I use to describe the feelings of the ah pek & ah mn with their hands clutching a copy of the 联合早报 yesterday. think the headlines certainly caught their attention
The recent occurrences amplify the cracks in the SG system:
1. Focus on Ministers' pay - Values and education systems failure
2. MRT saga - Corporate and management failures
3. HSA DNA Testing errors - Systemic failure
4. DBS/POSB unauthorised withdrawals - system failure
The above severely undermind the good SG brand name. Are there no more excellence, robustness, system integrity, etc in the SG brand now?
Does greed become the all encompassing focus in SG now?
Does greed for more pay and greed for higher corporate profits cause the above problems?
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The fact that Ee keep on using the word sacrifice when reviewing the ministers salary is sickening.When serving the country is seen in terms of monetary sacrifice and not service to the people, than everything is simply wrong.
The timing as usual should be seen in perspective eg
-issuing of parade boots when a certain person's son joined NS
-relaxation of mother tongue requirement when some people grandkids cannot make the grade
-removal of estate duty when somebody's wife becoming sickly
and now change in ministers salary only when a person retires from the cabinet.
Yet these people dare to claim this is meritocracy when everything evolves around a person and his family?
It's as good as North Korea calling itself Democratic People's Republic of Korea -as we all know its neither democratic and accountable to the people.
The timing as usual should be seen in perspective eg
-issuing of parade boots when a certain person's son joined NS
-relaxation of mother tongue requirement when some people grandkids cannot make the grade
-removal of estate duty when somebody's wife becoming sickly
and now change in ministers salary only when a person retires from the cabinet.
Yet these people dare to claim this is meritocracy when everything evolves around a person and his family?
It's as good as North Korea calling itself Democratic People's Republic of Korea -as we all know its neither democratic and accountable to the people.
Goh Chok Tong had in trying to justifying a pay rise for ministers in 1993 said: "If we don't not pay ministers adequately, we will get inadequate ministers. If you pay peanuts, you will get get monkeys for your ministers. The people will suffer, not the monkeys."
Well, after 20 years of continuous pay increases, we are getting monkeys as our ministers isn't it. And we are getting inadequate ministers. The only truth in GCT's statement is that the people are indeed suffering, but not the monkeys (ministers). Without any effort, one can easily rattle a number of monkeys that came our way - Mah BT, Wong KS, Lim SS, Lim BH, Khaw BW, Josephine Teo. At least the real monkeys at circuses are entertaining and they are literally paid only in peanuts.
Well, after 20 years of continuous pay increases, we are getting monkeys as our ministers isn't it. And we are getting inadequate ministers. The only truth in GCT's statement is that the people are indeed suffering, but not the monkeys (ministers). Without any effort, one can easily rattle a number of monkeys that came our way - Mah BT, Wong KS, Lim SS, Lim BH, Khaw BW, Josephine Teo. At least the real monkeys at circuses are entertaining and they are literally paid only in peanuts.
Again..this is a wrong pap perception. Instead of seeing serving Singaporeans as a sacrifice, they shd consider it an honour. Once they have a perspective change, being a minister wld not be onerous.
Singaporeans will then honour the ministers as they did in the 1970s and it will make serving so much more satisfying which money cant buy.
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