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CPF: The Middle Finger We Need To Show PAP

Goh Meng Seng

Alfrescian (InfP) [Comp]
Generous Asset
CPF Return.jpg

http://singaporealternatives.blogspot.sg/2014/06/cpf-middle-finger-we-need-to-show-pap.html

I have been telling my close associates since 2010, CPF is the hot issue that may create tremors on PAP's power base but back then, GE2011 is not the right time to blow it up as the main issue. I have tried to raise the CPF issue way back in GE2006 but it didn't gain much traction because the demographic time is not right.

The baby boomers of 1960s to 1970s (I am born in 1970) have not reached the "CRITICAL AGE" past 45 years old whereby they will start to think about their retirement financing.Thus in GE2011, among the 5 Hot Button Issues (HDB Mortgage Enslavement, Lack of Hospital Infrastructure, FT policy, Public Transport and CPF ) I have chosen HDB issue as the key issue. This is because HDB high pricing is linked to the adequacy of CPF for our retirement financing.

But now, I am already 44 and by 2015, most of my generation of baby boomers will reach the critical age whereby retirement linked to CPF will be our main concern.

Although my prediction is that BOTH CPF and FT policy (now termed as 6.9m Population Policy) will topple PAP government eventually, but FT policy is an emotionally highly charged and divisive issue which will create explosive impact if it is not managed properly. CPF on the other hand, will keep us in solidarity against PAP's absurdity in carving the present CPF policies. It is going to be an explosive issue as well but all the explosion will be aimed at PAP directly.

PAP government isn't stupid and it knows this very well. This is why they are very very afraid and frightened that this CPF will explode right into their face. They have used all means to try and stop people from carrying out effective discussions on CPF issues.

At first glance, PM Lee's libel suit against Roy Ngerng is about his first article which has defamed him. However, if you notice how PM Lee, through his lawyer, tried to ask Roy Ngerng to remove a few more articles on CPF, citing "aggravate damage" to his reputation, you will realize that this is not merely about defamation only. These articles were written moons away in the past and the CPF issue they have touched on have no impact on the current defamation issue! I can only conclude that it is an attempt to curb free speech and discussion on THE CPF issue which may just create a big dent in PAP's legitimacy as the ruling party.

Beside trying to silence Roy, who undoubtedly has made stupid mistake in making such a direct defamation of PM Lee, PAP machinery has done into overdrive to put up scare tactic and instill FEAR in everyone. First, it was targeted at property owners who used to support opposition parties and NGOs by renting out their conference rooms for forums organized by these organizations. Suddenly and strangely, everyone has one common reason to decline rental, even return deposits at the very last minute, citing "CPF ISSUE VERY SENSITIVE" when NSP tried to rent the room to conduct their forum or dialogue session on CPF issue.

But nevertheless, NSP still went ahead to conduct the dialogue session at their HQ and has its HQ totally packed. It was a successful event.

Then you have banner printers who usually don't mind printing banners for opposition cause, including the 6.9million protest, suddenly refused to print simple words like "Return OUR CPF"! Yes NONE of the printers dare to print, again citing the SAME REASON, "CPF issue very sensitive"!

Then you have stage supplier suddenly decline to build the stage for tomorrow's (7 June 2014) CPF protest because not only "CPF issue very sensitive" but they are afraid of losing business for the NDP dinners and lunar 7 month Hungry Ghost celebration! (Elaborated by Uncle Leong)

My Dear Singaporeans, this is definitely NOT a coincidence but rather, a COORDINATED effort to threaten and instill FEAR in all vendors and service providers, to deny any logistic support to anyone who is organizing any forums or protest on this "sensitive" CPF issue.

It is IRONIC for all these things to happen right now when in parliament, PAP claims that it wants "Constructive Politics"! Is this "Constructive" at all? In a normal functioning Democracy, opposition organizing public forums to discuss hot button topics and holding protest are all NORMAL workings. There shouldn't be any interference or FEAR instilled to prevent smooth organization of such activities. So, why is "Constructive Politics Advocates" like PAP trying to deter people to have a HEALTHY PUBLIC Discourse on such an important issue like CPF? The only conclusion I have is, they are just self-serving.

PAP knows that it can't possibly defend all aspects of its badly manipulated CPF system and there are more and more people with adequate knowledge and expertise to put up a good challenge on its current position. Public Trust has been lost when PAP keeps manipulating the CPF system for reasons only known to itself. It has scrambled to regain public confidence by putting up token notion of "CPF Refrom" but what they are willing to give, are just token tweaking only.

My Dear Singaporean, I may not be able to attend tomorrow's CPF Protest at Hong Lim Park because I am currently in Hong Kong but my heart is all with them.I wanted to show my anger at PAP which has basically screw up our CPF system for all these decades, since they started "Asset Enhancement Program" in the 1990s. I wanted to show my DISTRUST of PAP in making all sorts of excuses when it tried to delay and limit our withdrawals for our retirement. I wanted to show my disagreement when they tried to replace a totally contradicting system of Life Annuity to dislodge their responsibility as a government to take care of Singaporeans when the CPF system failed to take care of them. I wanted to protest against PAP treating our CPF as a source of cheap fund for them to invest and make money while deprive us with a higher return so that we could grow our retirement funds for our future usage!

I may not be attend tomorrow's CPF Protest but for those of you, my fellow Singaporeans, who are in Singapore, YOU CAN SHOW UP at the Protest to send a very STRONG SIGNAL to PM Lee that he and his PAP government has screwed up our CPF system and you need to show your Middle Finger to them for attempting to silence and deny our rights to question them on OUR CPF money! The most people attending the CPF Protest, the Bigger the Middle Finger you will be pointing at PAP!

PM Lee once said, “People support CPF cuts because there are no protest outside parliament.”

Do you want our Prime Minister to mistaken your inaction, your absence at the CPF Protest as a "support" of his current CPF policy again? If we fail to have substantial turnout for this CPF protest, he will laugh at us and conclude "Singaporeans didn't show me their middle finger therefore you support me!"

So don't make the same mistake which we have been making all along. We need to send a CLEAR and UNDISTORTED signal to Lee Hsien Loong Administration that we are pissed off by their constant raping of the CPF policy and we want our CPF BACK for our retirement, no delay, no excuse, no all sorts of limits...etc. So, please show them our strength by attending the CPF protest tomorrow. We need at least 5,000 attendance to be credible, 10,000 to put forward a strong message of Middle Finger to PAP. Don't miss it.

Goh Meng Seng
 

tanwahp

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
What can we expect from LHL who does not even follow his own line of "constructive politics", let alone the type of "constructive politics" expounded by the opposition and the non-PAP.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/specialreports/parliament/news/pm-lee-offers-his/1125558.html

First, developing effective policies for Singaporeans, which means solving problems, creating opportunities and making difficult trade-offs to improve lives.

Being unable to get a flat or board an overcrowded MRT train are "improved lives"?

Second, putting forward good people to lead. Mr Lee said institutions are important, but equally critical are the Ministers and MPs, and those who aspire to be such.

Are PAP's ministers more high-quality than leaders around the world like Jiang, Merkel and Modi.

Third, having a robust and open debate where proposals are scrutinised, so that the best ideas for the country are gleaned. Mr Lee said he was "disappointed" that the Opposition has offered very little of this in Parliament.

Parliament is to scrutinize govt policies or opposition policies?

Fourth, maintaining high standards of integrity and honesty. Mr Lee said this is the key differentiator between politics in Singapore and in many other countries.

Did he punish Vivian for trying to smoke through the term "Annual Spring Cleaning" in an official government dossier?

And finally, rallying people together around a common cause.

The PAP is certainly and obviously not successful in doing so.
 

AhMeng

Alfrescian (Inf- Comp)
Asset
Singaporeans are conditioned not to protest. All sinkies need to do is to vote PAP out in 2016 if they wanna see their monies back.

Protests for fuck. Just vote PAP out by voting Opposition. YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE TO GET YOUR HARD EARNED MONIES BACK THAN PROTESTING. :biggrin:
 

dredd

Alfrescian
Loyal
"...I have been telling my close associates since 2010, CPF is the hot issue that may create tremors on PAP's power base but back then, GE2011 is not the right time to blow it up as the main issue. I have tried to raise the CPF issue way back in GE2006 but it didn't gain much traction because the demographic time is not right...."

Typical GMS, the soothsayer, opportunist or the quack political anal-yst. When an issue becomes hot, he will say he was the first to speak about it but nobody listened...
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
There is nothing wrong with CPF. It is not an investment fund. It is a compulsory savings scheme and in this context, it does an excellent job.

My relative had almost $836,000 in his account at the end of 2012 and another $130,000 in his retirement account. That was almost A MILLION DOLLARS which would have otherwise been fritted away over his 30 year career.
 

sleaguepunter

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
There is nothing wrong with CPF. It is not an investment fund. It is a compulsory savings scheme and in this context, it does an excellent job.

My relative had almost $836,000 in his account at the end of 2012 and another $130,000 in his retirement account. That was almost A MILLION DOLLARS which would have otherwise been fritted away over his 30 year career.

why your fav politician not supporting cpf?
 

johnny333

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
To Sporeans MONEY is very, very important. Especially if it is "their" money.

Really surprised that the PAP miscalculated & decided to change the goal posts so close to their unpopular white paper on the population. Next GE it will be the PAP losing seats rather than the opposition winning the seats:smile:
 

GoldenDragon

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
GMS - A pity you arent in town. Your presence and speech at HL will surely draw an additional audience of at least 1000. Looking forward to your participation in next GE. If you form a new party, can I be a member?
 

johnny333

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
There is nothing wrong with CPF. It is not an investment fund. It is a compulsory savings scheme and in this context, it does an excellent job.

My relative had almost $836,000 in his account at the end of 2012 and another $130,000 in his retirement account. That was almost A MILLION DOLLARS which would have otherwise been fritted away over his 30 year career.


I rememer a saying "a bird in hand is worth 2 in a bush"
With so much $$$ the question is whether this relative has emigrated:confused:
 

GoldenDragon

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
To Sporeans MONEY is very, very important. Especially if it is "their" money.

Really surprised that the PAP miscalculated & decided to change the goal posts so close to their unpopular white paper on the population. Next GE it will be the PAP losing seats rather than the opposition winning the seats:smile:

Imo, they are complacent believing that whatever heroics they perform, 60.1% of morons will still back them all the way. It is likely to boomerang this time.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
I rememer a saying "a bird in hand is worth 2 in a bush"
With so much $$$ the question is whether this relative has emigrated:confused:

No he has not but he withdrew $600,000 of his CPF in early 2013 to buy property overseas. He uses this property as his holiday home.

Without CPF, this would not have been possible.
 

jw5

Moderator
Moderator
Loyal
A lot of "we" and "our" hor, elections must be coming................... :wink:

So you gonna be there tomorrow too? Good, good .............................. :p

So don't make the same mistake which we have been making all along. We need to send a CLEAR and UNDISTORTED signal to Lee Hsien Loong Administration that we are pissed off by their constant raping of the CPF policy and we want our CPF BACK for our retirement, no delay, no excuse, no all sorts of limits...etc. So, please show them our strength by attending the CPF protest tomorrow. We need at least 5,000 attendance to be credible, 10,000 to put forward a strong message of Middle Finger to PAP. Don't miss it.

Goh Meng Seng
 

GoldenDragon

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
I rememer a saying "a bird in hand is worth 2 in a bush"
With so much $$$ the question is whether this relative has emigrated:confused:

Depends what bush or who's hiding in it. If CPF is the bush with HC hiding in it, a bird in hand will be worth 100 in that bush.
 

blindswordsman

Alfrescian
Loyal
....YOU CAN SHOW UP at the Protest to send a very STRONG SIGNAL to PM Lee that he and his PAP government has screwed up our CPF system and you need to show your Middle Finger to them for attempting to silence and deny our rights to question them on OUR CPF money! The most people attending the CPF Protest, the Bigger the Middle Finger you will be pointing at PAP!...
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Show your middle finger when you vote in GE2016 will frighten the pappies. Showing even ten middle fingers at the pappies at the HL Park on June 7th 2014 will not affect the pappies.
 

jw5

Moderator
Moderator
Loyal
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Show your middle finger when you vote in GE2016 will frighten the pappies. Showing even ten middle fingers at the pappies at the HL Park on June 7th 2014 will not affect the pappies.

No need to show middle finger when you vote. I recall in GE2011, I was smiling and polite at the polling station. :p

Remember to draw a big cross in the opposition box which touches but does not exceed the corners, and after that, you can say to yourself:

Hehehehehehehe........................ :biggrin:
 

laksaboy

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
No need to show middle finger when you vote. I recall in GE2011, I was smiling and polite at the polling station. :p

Remember to draw a big cross in the opposition box which touches but does not exceed the corners, and after that, you can say to yourself:

Hehehehehehehe........................ :biggrin:


When I voted in GE2011, a sweet young thing wearing nerdy spectacles from the Elections Department jumped out, greeted me enthusiastically and ushered me to the correct queue. :cool:
 

Liquigas

Alfrescian
Loyal
.

Show your middle finger when you vote in GE2016 will frighten the pappies. Showing even ten middle fingers at the pappies at the HL Park on June 7th 2014 will not affect the pappies.

In boxing you have to land jabs and punches at your opponent first before you could knock him out.
 

SockPuppet

Alfrescian
Loyal
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http://singaporealternatives.blogspot.sg/2014/06/cpf-middle-finger-we-need-to-show-pap.html

I have been telling my close associates since 2010, CPF is the hot issue that may create tremors on PAP's power base but back then, GE2011 is not the right time to blow it up as the main issue. I have tried to raise the CPF issue way back in GE2006 but it didn't gain much traction because the demographic time is not right.

The baby boomers of 1960s to 1970s (I am born in 1970) have not reached the "CRITICAL AGE" past 45 years old whereby they will start to think about their retirement financing.Thus in GE2011, among the 5 Hot Button Issues (HDB Mortgage Enslavement, Lack of Hospital Infrastructure, FT policy, Public Transport and CPF ) I have chosen HDB issue as the key issue. This is because HDB high pricing is linked to the adequacy of CPF for our retirement financing.

But now, I am already 44 and by 2015, most of my generation of baby boomers will reach the critical age whereby retirement linked to CPF will be our main concern.

Although my prediction is that BOTH CPF and FT policy (now termed as 6.9m Population Policy) will topple PAP government eventually, but FT policy is an emotionally highly charged and divisive issue which will create explosive impact if it is not managed properly. CPF on the other hand, will keep us in solidarity against PAP's absurdity in carving the present CPF policies. It is going to be an explosive issue as well but all the explosion will be aimed at PAP directly.

PAP government isn't stupid and it knows this very well. This is why they are very very afraid and frightened that this CPF will explode right into their face. They have used all means to try and stop people from carrying out effective discussions on CPF issues.

At first glance, PM Lee's libel suit against Roy Ngerng is about his first article which has defamed him. However, if you notice how PM Lee, through his lawyer, tried to ask Roy Ngerng to remove a few more articles on CPF, citing "aggravate damage" to his reputation, you will realize that this is not merely about defamation only. These articles were written moons away in the past and the CPF issue they have touched on have no impact on the current defamation issue! I can only conclude that it is an attempt to curb free speech and discussion on THE CPF issue which may just create a big dent in PAP's legitimacy as the ruling party.

Beside trying to silence Roy, who undoubtedly has made stupid mistake in making such a direct defamation of PM Lee, PAP machinery has done into overdrive to put up scare tactic and instill FEAR in everyone. First, it was targeted at property owners who used to support opposition parties and NGOs by renting out their conference rooms for forums organized by these organizations. Suddenly and strangely, everyone has one common reason to decline rental, even return deposits at the very last minute, citing "CPF ISSUE VERY SENSITIVE" when NSP tried to rent the room to conduct their forum or dialogue session on CPF issue.

But nevertheless, NSP still went ahead to conduct the dialogue session at their HQ and has its HQ totally packed. It was a successful event.

Then you have banner printers who usually don't mind printing banners for opposition cause, including the 6.9million protest, suddenly refused to print simple words like "Return OUR CPF"! Yes NONE of the printers dare to print, again citing the SAME REASON, "CPF issue very sensitive"!

Then you have stage supplier suddenly decline to build the stage for tomorrow's (7 June 2014) CPF protest because not only "CPF issue very sensitive" but they are afraid of losing business for the NDP dinners and lunar 7 month Hungry Ghost celebration! (Elaborated by Uncle Leong)

My Dear Singaporeans, this is definitely NOT a coincidence but rather, a COORDINATED effort to threaten and instill FEAR in all vendors and service providers, to deny any logistic support to anyone who is organizing any forums or protest on this "sensitive" CPF issue.

It is IRONIC for all these things to happen right now when in parliament, PAP claims that it wants "Constructive Politics"! Is this "Constructive" at all? In a normal functioning Democracy, opposition organizing public forums to discuss hot button topics and holding protest are all NORMAL workings. There shouldn't be any interference or FEAR instilled to prevent smooth organization of such activities. So, why is "Constructive Politics Advocates" like PAP trying to deter people to have a HEALTHY PUBLIC Discourse on such an important issue like CPF? The only conclusion I have is, they are just self-serving.

PAP knows that it can't possibly defend all aspects of its badly manipulated CPF system and there are more and more people with adequate knowledge and expertise to put up a good challenge on its current position. Public Trust has been lost when PAP keeps manipulating the CPF system for reasons only known to itself. It has scrambled to regain public confidence by putting up token notion of "CPF Refrom" but what they are willing to give, are just token tweaking only.

My Dear Singaporean, I may not be able to attend tomorrow's CPF Protest at Hong Lim Park because I am currently in Hong Kong but my heart is all with them.I wanted to show my anger at PAP which has basically screw up our CPF system for all these decades, since they started "Asset Enhancement Program" in the 1990s. I wanted to show my DISTRUST of PAP in making all sorts of excuses when it tried to delay and limit our withdrawals for our retirement. I wanted to show my disagreement when they tried to replace a totally contradicting system of Life Annuity to dislodge their responsibility as a government to take care of Singaporeans when the CPF system failed to take care of them. I wanted to protest against PAP treating our CPF as a source of cheap fund for them to invest and make money while deprive us with a higher return so that we could grow our retirement funds for our future usage!

I may not be attend tomorrow's CPF Protest but for those of you, my fellow Singaporeans, who are in Singapore, YOU CAN SHOW UP at the Protest to send a very STRONG SIGNAL to PM Lee that he and his PAP government has screwed up our CPF system and you need to show your Middle Finger to them for attempting to silence and deny our rights to question them on OUR CPF money! The most people attending the CPF Protest, the Bigger the Middle Finger you will be pointing at PAP!

PM Lee once said, “People support CPF cuts because there are no protest outside parliament.”

Do you want our Prime Minister to mistaken your inaction, your absence at the CPF Protest as a "support" of his current CPF policy again? If we fail to have substantial turnout for this CPF protest, he will laugh at us and conclude "Singaporeans didn't show me their middle finger therefore you support me!"

So don't make the same mistake which we have been making all along. We need to send a CLEAR and UNDISTORTED signal to Lee Hsien Loong Administration that we are pissed off by their constant raping of the CPF policy and we want our CPF BACK for our retirement, no delay, no excuse, no all sorts of limits...etc. So, please show them our strength by attending the CPF protest tomorrow. We need at least 5,000 attendance to be credible, 10,000 to put forward a strong message of Middle Finger to PAP. Don't miss it.

Goh Meng Seng

Mr. Goh, so are you going to try to work with Roy, Huihui, TKL, LZH and MRavi?
Politics is public service, you cannot be calculative.
 

LHLtowgay

Alfrescian
Loyal
Middle finger to PAP
I want my CPF
Do not ask me what I want to do with it as that is my business and not your business
 
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