Auditor-General finds 'major lapses' in Workers' Party-run town council accounts

[harakirineh]

Re: Dumbfuck WP supporter said he paid less water bills in AHPETC

Anyone needs assistance for harakiri can call me.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Re: What happened to WP AHPETC III

GMS Ah Ko, you would have fared better if appointed?

Appointed?
First he got to get himself elected

 

[halsey02]

Re: What happened to WP AHPETC III

GOH MENG SENG, go stand in a single SMC....if you are standing for election anyway & where I am living...I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU. By constantly deriding the WP, you are deriding yourself, presents yourself as untrustworthy person...more in the vein of a traitor.

A spade for a spade...what have you, that people will vote for? other than, all the time, reading your criticism of the WP...I do not think I have ever read your criticism of the PAP or I may have missed....in the past, people, catch , Tar & feather " traitors"..

 

[mortarmafia]

useless LHL, if it was LKY vs JBJ, WP LTK n CEC would be in prison soon

Remember LKY imprisoned late JBJ for a trivial tiny amount money in the book?

 

[jw5]

Re: What happened to WP AHPETC III

If GMS is standing in an SMC or GRC in a ONE-ON-ONE CONTEST AGAINST THE PAP, I will definitely double confirm and chop vote for him. :p

If he is in a 3 corner fight, errrrrrr......................... then we'll see..................................

GOH MENG SENG, go stand in a single SMC....if you are standing for election anyway & where I am living...I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU.

 

[laksaboy]

Re: useless LHL, if it was LKY vs JBJ, WP LTK n CEC would be in prison soon

Remember LKY imprisoned late JBJ for a trivial tiny amount money in the book?

Lee Hsien Loong prefers passive-aggressive tactics. Probably got it from his mother.

 

[SgParent]

Re: Shanmugam says WP took money from man in the street and gave it to their friends

All politicians the same la.

Politicians are like dogs. Telling them to behave is like telling them to walk with two legs which is against their nature.

would you waste time telling a monopoly to listen?

give them real competition and they automatically deliver doorstep service for free.

just like recently the many white scum ministars and minions are doing door-to-door visits because they are in fear

 

[Yingge]

Re: Dumbfuck WP supporter said he paid less water bills in AHPETC

Must be pritam Singh told him during one of his house visit...

 

[zhihau]

Re: Shanugam Spoke Against Husband-Wife Team, Rubber Stamp...Shooting Own Foot?

Worst thing is, the pot is calling the kettle black.

Did my rounds to lim kopi with kakis around AJ-GRC and EC-GRC area: AJ GRC area no horse run, all waiting for LHL to stand as candidate, EC GRC area also waiting for GE to kick those white arses out.

 

[tanwahp]

Re: What happened to WP AHPETC III

I wonder why those of you who have been monitoring my FB posting didn't copy and paste this to put it up here!

What happened to WP AHPETC III

I believe by now, almost all politically aware Singaporeans, especially Opposition party supporters, will realize that what WP has done in AHPETC, is absolutely a DUPLICATE of what PAP has been doing in Singapore, be it government institutions, Temasek Holdings, GIC, GLCs or just simply TC management.

Conflict of interests, is technically speaking, NOT ILLEGAL. But politically speaking, MORALLY, it should be avoided at all cost. In Hong Kong, the public and MSM take conflict of interests very very seriously. They will presume this as a precursor to corruption practices and will make reports to ICAC if no proper declaration or management checks and balances are in place to keep that in proper place.

There is really a very thin line between Conflict of Interests vs Corrupt practices. Declaring the vested interests is just an important step but that is not all. You will need a system of third party checks and balances to clear yourself of making dubious transactions or things which may be seen as "corruptions".

Politically speaking, perception is everything. The biggest conflict of interests in Singapore, is the Prime Minister and his Wife. It is really a BAD example for all although there is absolutely nothing illegal about it. Politically speaking, it must be avoided at all cost.

As an opposition party, we always triumph ourselves of putting PAP in check. But we will lose our moral high ground if we are found to behave or mimick PAP's bad practices of having all sorts of conflicts of interests in their governance. It doesn't help our cause at all.

Avoidance of conflict of interests is extremely important for both the ruling party as well as the opposition parties.

In this AHPETC saga, the only difference is that AHPETC has not learned ALL the necessary steps to be taken when it tries to mimick PAP's style of governance which is filled with all sorts of conflict of interest. It has forgotten to install appropriate management steps to make sure that such conflict of interest will be not seen as potential corrupt practices. Rightfully or wrongfully, this is why it ended up so badly in this saga.

Of course, WP people and hardcore Opposition supporters may start to point to the fact that what WP has done is no different from PAP on the surface. But the truth is, PAP is smarter in gaming the system here. It has made sure that at every turn and critical decision making process, proper third party certification or decision makers are roped in to justify or make good of the whole process to show the world there is no potential corrupt practice involved.

It is true that opposition party may have difficulties in finding suppliers or contractors to do the job. WP may be caught in the situation that apparent conflicts of interests are unavoidable. However, I do not believe that there is ZERO number of contractor interested in taking up smaller contracts. It may be a self fulfilling prophecy over time where Trust and Loyalty are placed above merits and good governance. i.e. Contractors may stop participating in the tender process if they feel that they will have near zero chance of getting the job when "close friends" of WP are bidding for the same project. WP may award their "close Friends" the tender even though their price is higher as this could be considered as "premium pricing" of Trust.

Apparently, PAP has an upper hand in such situation but it also means that PAP should have LESS REASONS to infest their system with so much conflicts of interests all over the place.

In short, it is not good enough to be just above board and declare you are CLEAN, you must also be SEEN to be CLEAN as well. This applies to both PAP as ruling party as well as opposition party like WP. Especially so for WP.

Goh Meng Seng

There is no way you can ever compare PAP and WP in that manner unless you are hell-bent on taking PAP's side. The PAP has an absolute free hand in avoiding these - they have the experience, the time (50 years in power) and no obstruction (as in a strong opposition) in making changes to all these and removing these.

Even if I do not want to be an apologist for WP, I would say given its need for specialty resource from a reliable source, making sure good management comes from a small group linked to them by friendship isn't far fetched. Friendship is a good glue and trust to ensure things go right. The rest who have the expertise have been bought over by the PAP already.

On the other hand a government is a monopoly. Don't tell me they have more than one government in Singapore, many ministries of finance, many ministries of education, many ministries of transport, so these competitors poached all the talents such that they have to appoint Ho Ching to GIC?

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: Dumbfuck WP supporter said he paid less water bills in AHPETC

Must be pritam Singh told him during one of his house visit...

Opposition supporters are not dumb. The idiots are PAP supporters. The PAP have screwed their lives up over and over again and yet they don't realize it.

 

[LOL2015]

Re: Dumbfuck WP supporter said he paid less water bills in AHPETC

Opposition supporters are not dumb. The idiots are PAP supporters. The PAP have screwed their lives up over and over again and yet they don't realize it.

LOL Agreed...Well said LOL

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: What happened to WP AHPETC III

t is true that opposition party may have difficulties in finding suppliers or contractors to do the job. WP may be caught in the situation that apparent conflicts of interests are unavoidable. However, I do not believe that there is ZERO number of contractor interested in taking up smaller contracts. It may be a self fulfilling prophecy over time where Trust and Loyalty are placed above merits and good governance. i.e. Contractors may stop participating in the tender process if they feel that they will have near zero chance of getting the job when "close friends" of WP are bidding for the same project. WP may award their "close Friends" the tender even though their price is higher as this could be considered as "premium pricing" of Trust.

This is kind of rationale that makes you look like the village fool. You make assumptions - I do not believe that there is ZERO number of contractor interested in taking up smaller contracts - and take that as fact. Even that assumption shows you have nothing inside. You start breaking up a massive maintenance contract to smaller chunks will only increase cost further. And more resources will be needed to manage those contracts. Then you humtum the WP for that higher cost.

If the PAP offers WP TC a contractor that is willing to do the job at the PAP rate, WP can be faulted if it turned the offer down.

Before you shoot, please think lah.

You make

 

[SgParent]

Re: Shanmugam’s chart raises questions about PAP TCs’ MA rates

However, upon closer inspection, the MA rates presented by the Law Minister appear to be lower than what Ms Lim would have expected.

An apparent anomaly were the residential and commercial unit rates which Mr Shanmugam’s chart indicated were the same.

AHPETC’s chairman, SylviaLim noticed this and highlighted this to Mr Shanmugam.

“From what I know, MA rates are usually different from residential units and commercial units,” Ms Lim said. “But in your chart, they are all the same. So I would like minister to clarify that there has been no mistake in this chart and it is really the fact that all this MA are charging the same rates for commercial and residential units because from the data that I have, even the MA for PAP town councils, such as CPG, from the Aljunied town council records that we have, the MA rate for commercial units was 12 dollars and something. So I think minister may want to check his chart.”

Mr Shanmugam got up and replied to Ms Lim immediately, “I can answer your answer straight away. You should look at annex 3 and you will see in the first page that the MA rates once they are done on a weighted average basis, these figures are accurate, [I’m] told by MND.”

However Ms Lim was unconvinced.

She said, “Minister, I would still request it to be checked because I don’t think it is correct.”

WP’s secretary-general Low Thia Khiang also told Mr Shanmugam that the rates cannot be the same.

Mr Shanmugam replied that he would check the rates for accuracy.

Indeed, looking at the figures, one would come to wonder if the figures are correct:

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2015/02/shanmugams-chart-raises-questions-about-pap-tcs-ma-rates/

wp really sharp eyes.

under siege still could counter attack?

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: What happened to WP AHPETC III

Politicizing Town Council is INEVITABLE.

Well LTK has lamented about PAP politicizing TC management so much so that all qualified professional estate management companies wont want to submit any bid to WP AHPETC tender for MA.

Now please imagine, if EM Services which is partly owned by HDB and run by former PAP MP is to submit the lowest bid, will WP AHPETC dare to award the tender to EM Services?

Did that happen? It didn't. You hypothetical situation holds no water lah because it won't happen. Before you believe the PAP bs on the low cost of estate maintenance in PAP wards, dig deeper lah. PAP NEVER tells the truth.

The only viable alternative is to employ a team of people directly to manage the TC on its own. HG TC used to do that and PAP Bishan Toa Payoh TC also runs it own TC directly.

Shows how dumb you are. You have no business sense. No wonder you still live in HDB flat. The estate needs maintenance NOW, not 2 years or 5 years later.

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: Shanmugam’s chart raises questions about PAP TCs’ MA rates

Shamu wants to be ministar of national development ...first try out, FAIL.

Cow is laughing inside ...I still get to keep my job even though I don't know what is a enterprise financial system.

 

[zhihau]

Re: Full video of today parliament that WP don't wish you to see.

Perhaps the Sentosa Cove land tender in Dec 2003 will highlight how taxpayer made Mr, Chua Tian Poh a billionaire.

Oop... So Riady came later into the scene in Sentosa Cove area?

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: Shanugam Spoke Against Husband-Wife Team, Rubber Stamp...Shooting Own Foot?

If Shamu has the guts, let him repeat the whole speech outside Parliament ...the defamed will sue his pants off. He won't because he knows that he is making baseless accusation.

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: Shanmugam says WP took money from man in the street and gave it to their friends

WP is just another PAP. Once they take power will also try all kinds of tricks.

Only a fool will pat his competitors backs and leave them to their own.

You wouldn't know, do you?

PAP has a track record of 5 decades of ripping us off. Anybody else is better than the PAP.

 

[JohnTan]

Re: Shanugam Spoke Against Husband-Wife Team, Rubber Stamp...Shooting Own Foot?

Did my rounds to lim kopi with kakis around AJ-GRC and EC-GRC area: AJ GRC area no horse run, all waiting for LHL to stand as candidate, EC GRC area also waiting for GE to kick those white arses out.

I did my rounds too. The ground is getting sweeter for our PAP candidate, Victor Lye. We are more optimistic of a PAP victory for Aljunied GRC.