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SDP healthcare plan: Scrap Medisave and increase govt spending

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http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/s...lan-scrap-medisave-and-increase-govt-spending

THE BEST POLITICAL ARTICLE I HAD READ THIS YEAR.


Do away with the '3M' system (Medisave, Medifund and Medishield) and pay all our healthcare expenditure through a single pool of funds in which the Government contributes 84 percent.

Associate Professor Paul Tambyah made this point at the launch of The SDP National Healthcare Plan, calling for a complete overhaul of the current healthcare system.

Together with him on the SDP's Healthcare Advisory Panel are Drs Ang Yong Guan, Patrick Kee, Neo Eak Chan, Leong Yan Hoi, Tan Lip Hong, Tong Beng Chye, Wong Wee Nam and Ms Eveline How.

Under the SDP's Plan, Medisave will be scrapped and the money returned to one's CPF Ordinary Account. Singaporeans who are employed and earning $1,500 or more will contribute $600 per year into the National Health Investment Fund (NHIF). This will be deducted from their CPF savings.

Those earning between $800 and $1,500 will pay $300 per year. Individuals who earn less than $800, are unemployed or on social welfare will not be required to contribute.

Upon payment into the NHIF, each user will be issued a Healthcare Benefits Smart Card which will entitle the holder to pay only 10 percent of the total hospital bill and capped at $2,000. So if one's hospital bill is $5,000, he/she need only pay $500. If the bill is $30,000, the patient pays $2,000.

And if one visits the GP at a family clinic to get treatment for coughs and colds, the Government pays $10 of the bill and the patient foots the remainder. This will ensure that while the government subsidises the bill, the patient will co-pay the bill to prevent abuse.

Those who do not contribute to the NHIF (unemployed or welfare recipents) will receive full subsidy if they fall ill and need to see the GP or have to be hospitalised. In other words, they will not have to make payment.

The Healthcare Card also stores medical information, utilisation history and payment records which is easy for hospitals, clinics and patients to use, and therefore reduces administrative costs.

All public hospitals will have only one-class system comprising of 2-bed wards instead of the present Classes A, B1, B2 and C. Such an arrangement ensures that those who need urgent treatment get it first, regardless of one's ability to pay.

For example, patients who need to undergo surgery will have their waiting times based on clinical indications and not on the basis of ward class.

It is more equitable than the present system which gives priority to those in the higher-class wards.

Healthcare is a human need, the Panel said, not a commodity where the rich can buy immediate and better treatment, and the poor have to wait months on end to receive medical care.

Financing for the SDP Plan


Total healthcare spending in Singapore in 2010 was about $12 billion. This is made up of the Government's portion, payments from the 3Ms, out-of-pocket payments and payouts by insurance companies. We project this to increase to about $14.7 billion by the time our Healthcare Plan is implemented.

Of this amount, the NHIF will shoulder up to $11.8 billion. The Government will contribute $10.5 billion to this Fund and the remaining $1.3 billion will come from our CPF deductions as described above. Co-payment (out-of-pocket payments when one visits the GP, for example) will add up to $0.6 billion. The remaining amount will be due to private spending (paying for treatment at private hospitals, for example).

The present Government budget is $4 billion. The SDP Plan proposes that the Government increases this amount to $10.5 billion. The difference of $6.5 billion is more than made up by:
  1. Reducing defence spending Collection: $5.75 billion
  2. Introducing luxury tax Collection: $1.85 billion
  3. Introducing property taxon foreign property buyers Collection: $0.2 billion
  4. Increasing corporate tax 1.0 Collection: $1 billion
  5. Abolishing GST for healthcare 0.35 Collection: $0.35 billion
  6. Collecting from Tote Board 1.5 Collection: $1.5 billion
Total $10.65 billion

We have striven to make this a caring and financially sound healthcare plan. We want to make it an even better plan by consulting the public and inviting you to give us your views and suggestions. We will include them where appropriate and incorporate them into the publication.
 
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Kinana

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I don't see the benefit of SDP's proposal at all.
Why go towards a welfare state when it has been shown to be a failure in UK and Canada?
 

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I don't see the benefit of SDP's proposal at all.
Why go towards a welfare state when it has been shown to be a failure in UK and Canada?

The extend of welfare is not set in stone, neither the way it is run is limiting to UK and Canada. It is up to individual country to draft, debate and implement.

Don't make sweeping statement, do not judge SDP model before putting it on vigarous debate.
 

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this is dumbest fuck plan written by doctors to enrich themselves but with no idea on how the real economy works... instead of being written by economists who do....

healthcare is bottomless pit.... esp with an aging population

if you do not save up for your expense... dun expect others to do it for you...

if these morally suspect doctors want to enrich themselves, i suggest they go pte and provide better service instead of wanting an unlimited budget to feed themselvesz

if they object to being called morally suspect with dubious motives... I welcome them to sue me
 
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Kinana

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The extend of welfare is not set in stone, neither the way it is run is limiting to UK and Canada. It is up to individual country to draft, debate and implement.

Don't make sweeping statement, do not judge SDP model before putting it on vigarous debate.

The SDP model is definite nonsense. It calls for a cut of more than 5 billion from defence, increase of corporate tax and introduction of luxury tax, all hallmarks of liberalism.

What happens when there is less stability, less investment and increased unemployment then? SDP propose even more luxury tax to increase the tax base and even less spending on defence?
 

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The SDP model is definite nonsense. It calls for a cut of more than 5 billion from defence, increase of corporate tax and introduction of luxury tax, all hallmarks of liberalism.

What happens when there is less stability, less investment and increased unemployment then? SDP propose even more luxury tax to increase the tax base and even less spending on defence?

Our defence budget is an oxymoron base constantly on what if we are being attack, just like North Korea failure to liberate it's people from poverty base on what if South Korea and USA decides to attack, and had to constantly ask for food aide or else their people will die of starvation.

Your argument is also base on what if ( less stability, less etc...)? While the unaffordable in our country are putting off seeking medication due to the high cost, resulting in higher stress and shorter life.

Of the proposal

1. Reducing defence spending Collection: $5.75 billion
2. Introducing luxury tax Collection: $1.85 billion
3. Introducing property taxon foreign property buyers Collection: $0.2 billion
4. Increasing corporate tax 1.0 Collection: $1 billion
5. Abolishing GST for healthcare 0.35 Collection: $0.35 billion
6. Collecting from Tote Board 1.5 Collection: $1.5 billion

2 & 4 is debatable, while the rest I'll give the thumbs up, so what is nonsense to you makes a lot of sense to me.
 

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Singapore is a small country with no natural resources. What gives us value is our stability. W/o stability everything will simply collapse overnight.

I can understand no.5 and 6 to an extent, but 1 to 4 is deadly and will start a vicious cycle.
 

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Singapore is a small country with no natural resources. What gives us value is our stability. W/o stability everything will simply collapse overnight.

I can understand no.5 and 6 to an extent, but 1 to 4 is deadly and will start a vicious cycle.

People of Singapore are our greatest resources. It's about time our country put acute focus on it rather then harping about lack of natural resouces all the time. This line of argument is getting very stale and should have no place in a more forward thinking leaders.

Another armamorgon theory about stability, it is like it will happens overnight? Things don't just happens, there are signs way before it is erupted, it can be averted. Are you seriously doubting the foresight and intelligence gathering of our government, then it's about time we change them isn't it?
 
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brocoli

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People of Singapore are our greatest resources. It's about time our country put acute focus on it rather then harping about lack of natural resouces all the time. This line of argument is getting very stale and should have no place in a more forward thinking leaders.

Another armamorgon theory about stability, it is like it will happens overnight? Things don't just happens, there are signs way before it is erupted, it can be averted. Are you seriously doubting the foresight and intelligence gathering of our government, then it's about time we change them isn't it?

if spendthrifts do not bother to save up or take responsibility for their own healthcare... why should we pay for them...

if SDP-linked doctors do not bother to upgrade themselves and provide better services, why should they steal from public largess, why dun they go open pte practice???

if a population have no basic notion of responsibility and always have theft have their underlying principles like the SDP, what kind of nation are we building???

SDP are welcome to sue me if they think I misrepresent them...
but their underlying politics is base on theft ....

as is Denise Phua, the SDP mole....

SDP whole proposal is basically a subsidy to govt doctors who can now safely jeck up their prices so they can sipon and skim $$ under the guise of helping the people .... this is not a subsidy to patients...

patients has no vested interest in getting subsidy because no1 want to fall sicks.... but these scumbags doctors will benefit the most
 
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if spendthrifts do not bother to save up or take responsibility for their own healthcare... why should we pay for them...

if SDP-linked doctors do not bother to upgrade themselves and provide better services, why should they steal from public largess, why dun they go open pte practice???

if a population have no basic notion of responsibility and always have theft have their underlying principles like the SDP, what kind of nation are we building???

SDP are welcome to sue me if they think I misrepresent them...
but their underlying politics is base on theft ....

as is Denise Phua, the SDP mole....

SDP whole proposal is basically a subsidy to govt doctors who can now safely jeck up their prices so they can sipon and skim $$ under the guise of helping the people .... this is not a subsidy to patients...

patients has no vested interest in getting subsidy because no1 want to fall sicks.... but these scumbags doctors will benefit the most

Sorry, won't want to debate with you.

Most of the time, I couldn't make sense of what you are mumbling about.
 

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I don't see the benefit of SDP's proposal at all.
Why go towards a welfare state when it has been shown to be a failure in UK and Canada?

I don't see the benefit of PAP healthcare at all under the previous $8.00 bypass surgery Khaw Boon Wan and now under the fat pig Gan Kim leong.
It is better to spend money in healthcare to benefit all Singaporeans than throwing money into drain in unwise overseas investments.Period.
 

brocoli

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Sorry, won't want to debate with you.

Most of the time, I couldn't make sense of what you are mumbling about.

loser way of replying ... might as well dun reply....

3rd rate mind understand.. I dun blame you... you cant even pinpoint wat yo dun understaND pathetic
 

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loser way of replying ... might as well dun reply....

3rd rate mind understand.. I dun blame you... you cant even pinpoint wat yo dun understaND pathetic

Provided you learn how not to shoot every where. Who will want to bother about engaging you when he has to spend time trying to structured your reply?

It's an advice. If you want others to take you seriously.
 

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Provided you learn how not to shoot every where. Who will want to bother about engaging you when he has to spend time trying to structured your reply?

It's an advice. If you want others to take you seriously.

An excellent locus standing.Feeding PAP dogs like brocoli and Jah rastafar is akin to alerting them to preempt excellent rebuttals.Their methodology is rather simple.Keep on throwing stones; and surely one will hit the target.Sort of a g e n t p r o v o c a t e u r .Than they collect all the data and feed it to PAP ; and prepare themselves well for MSM spin doctoring.

PAP trolls trawl such forums as this for good arguments and rebuttals .....Don't feed these monkeys.
 
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lockeliberal

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Dear Nice,

There are some nice points within, but honestly some of it seems over the top and an excuse for a gold plated health care system expensive beyond belief with no consideration for costs and benefits.

For example conversion of all B class C class wards to A class two bed wards. That seems frigging expensive and luxurious without thought



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An excellent locus standing.Feeding PAP dogs like brocoli and Jah rastafar is akin to alerting them to preempt excellent rebuttals.Their methodology is rather simple.Keep on throwing stones; and surely one will hit the target.Sort of agent provocateur .Than they collect all the datas and feed it to PAP ; and prepare themselves well for MSM spin doctoring.

PAP trolls trawl such forums as this for good arguments and rebuttals .....Don't feed these monkeys.
 

Nice-Gook

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Sam,

Despite corrections and editing ....a hyper link appears for this word. a g e n t p r o v o c a t e u r.Kindly explain.Tks.
 
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Don't listen to hearsay. It is not a failure in canada. I live there, so I shld know. Even the Americans envy it.

I don't see the benefit of SDP's proposal at all.
Why go towards a welfare state when it has been shown to be a failure in UK and Canada?
 

Kinana

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People of Singapore are our greatest resources. It's about time our country put acute focus on it rather then harping about lack of natural resouces all the time. This line of argument is getting very stale and should have no place in a more forward thinking leaders.

Another armamorgon theory about stability, it is like it will happens overnight? Things don't just happens, there are signs way before it is erupted, it can be averted. Are you seriously doubting the foresight and intelligence gathering of our government, then it's about time we change them isn't it?

Really? If we Singapore and are so great then why are we so afraid of FT.?
Clearly it's not our poll per SE but the stability n infrastructure that makes us rich
 
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