PAP struggling with WP's multi-prong attack.

[scroobal]

Thought it was not an unexpected and quite an obvious and intelligent approach of having their members cover different issues across the country ranging from press freedom to SME being choked by GLCs, the PAP MPs are either resorting to attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message as in Shanmugam's case or completely talking rubbish like Lim Swee Say.

Suddenly the PAP does not look like a party that has merits or believes in merit. I could not find a single PAP MP who was able to acquit himself or herself decently when addressing issues raised by the WP MPs. Lets us be clear here. The comments by WP MPs are not earth shattering but clearly reflecting what is the common perception on the ground. WP under LTK is noted for caution and this time it is no different. Looks like the strategy is inch slowly, not to confront and to let the PAP dig a deeper hole.

If the PAP is smart, they will coordinate their attacks, carry a soft tone and begin working around the WP edges.

In essence, the PAP is eroding its hold not because of WP but because of their style, their approach and their disdain for treating the man on the street as an economic digit with productivity rating.

 

[Bigfuck]

Like I said, systemic failure after running the reiterations enough cycles with 2nd grade parts that appear compliant but are not necessary nor sufficient for the running of the mechanism. If they chose to work with people like me, many things could have been solved. Now, the best way is to let things run apart and fix from thereon. The world of algorithms is very very clear. What can you expect? 2A1B with parts of standards lower than 2A1B. If you look at the number of fantastic scholars and talent Singapore has, why are they not in parliament. LKY chose this strategy for his convenience. So the configuration is running to its logical conclusion. It does not matter which noise he chooses to snuff. It really does not matter anymore. We are about to run apart before the next election. There is no solution. It is already showing clearly in the infrastructural system breaking down. Show performance does not affect logistics flow. It is a done deal.

 

[kingrant]

I thought that was a damn smart move, to attack multi-prong, so altho from one party, they act like many parties. Not only that, it shows that WP is capable of multi-tasking, thinking on a broad front of issues, and showing both breadth and depth of their coverage of the man in the street's concerns.

I also believe they have capable people in the backrooms doing the research, analyses, rebuttals and proposals, and sending them back to the warfront.

Well done, WP! Keep it up!

Thought it was not an unexpected and quite an obvious and intelligent approach of having their members cover different issues across the country ranging from press freedom to SME being choked by GLCs, the PAP MPs are either resorting to attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message as in Shanmugam's case or completely talking rubbish like Lim Swee Say.

Suddenly the PAP does not look like a party that has merits or believes in merit. I could not find a single PAP MP who was able to acquit himself or herself decently when addressing issues raised by the WP MPs. Lets us be clear here. The comments by WP MPs are not earth shattering but clearly reflecting what is the common perception on the ground. WP under LTK is noted for caution and this time it is no different. Looks like the strategy is inch slowly, not to confront and to let the PAP dig a deeper hole.

If the PAP is smart, they will coordinate their attacks, carry a soft tone and begin working around the WP edges.

In essence, the PAP is eroding its hold not because of WP but because of their style, their approach and their disdain for treating the man on the street as an economic digit with productivity rating.

 

[elephanto]

I thought that was a damn smart move, to attack multi-prong, so altho from one party, they act like many parties. Not only that, it shows that WP is capable of multi-tasking, thinking on a broad front of issues, and showing both breadth and depth of their coverage of the man in the street's concerns.

I also believe they have capable people in the backrooms doing the research, analyses, rebuttals and proposals, and sending them back to the warfront.

Well done, WP! Keep it up!

gotta use your full quote, totally and absolutely agree with ya, kingrant !

this confrontational but non combative style simply exposes the auto-immunity deficiency of PAP MPs through years of virtual one-party parliament cosiness, being unable to skilfully handle well-phrased & well-reasoned arguments.

Perhaps on merit, merit of argument or policy underpinnings, they are lacking in the first place.

so no amount of court craft, legalistic joustings etc can make them look good.

Incidentally, chanced upon an old video clip when ex-MM met the young & 'cross examined' Ken Kuek in the 'Meet The Young' CNA programme many years back.

With pride, Old Man repeated reminded his audience of his advocate days & tastelessly tried to tie down Ken to 'who are these people who fear', 'how many', 'did they actually say they fear' blah blah type of lawyer-talk.

Properly calm & composed, such bullying tactics of handling debate will simply - to use your analogy - be the equivalent of using more rope offered to hang oneself.

Senior Counsel Shanmugam, now minister this & that, is no LKY, and even LKY & his robust bullying stance, can cut no ice with the 21st century electorate any more.

 

[elephanto]

I have high hopes for Chen Sow Mou, Pritam Singh, Sylvia Lim, Gerald Giam and even Yao Shing Long...

It is obvious unlike the likes of KJ, GMS & CSJ, Low Thia Kiang is a reincarnation of Lim Chin Siong - the type of politician LKY both fear & respect grudgingly.

Astute, calm & very strategic - yet totally disciplined, dedicated and fuelled with ideals & passion, no fear no favour - the typical Chinese Middle School product ..... or what some may say, the Nantah Spirit lives on in Low.

The greatest joy in re-wathing LKY's Meet the Young CNA programme was that his challenge has been taken on & met !

Of course I am referring to his famous challenge to Low to get out of Hougang and challenge a GRC.

Low has huddled down, planned & executed. He has left Hougang still in WP hands & he has with his team, secured a GRC in Aljunied.

LKY, any more challenges ?

 

[silentisgolden]

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Great Speech

 

[tanwahtiu]

88 y.o Hakka arse did not breed talent he breed greed in his party.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Dear Frens,

with WP having 6 MPs and causing such disarray with the other 80+ PAP MPs, it just shows that voting for WP was a right thing, imagine if WP won the other GRCs it contested. PAP will be in even greater shit and LHL will have to instill Martial Law just to save his own ass.. I hope that those who voted against WP repent for the remaining 5 years and seek redemption in the next GE

 

[captainxerox]

Dear Frens,

with WP having 6 MPs and causing such disarray with the other 80+ PAP MPs, it just shows that voting for WP was a right thing, imagine if WP won the other GRCs it contested. PAP will be in even greater shit and LHL will have to instill Martial Law just to save his own ass.. I hope that those who voted against WP repent for the remaining 5 years and seek redemption in the next GE

i have and still believe that if wp is an equal opposing force to pap in parliament, it can only be good for locals. both parties would be tripping over themselves to please us and get our votes.

i admit the flip side is that policies and plans would be in 5-6 year range, short-sighted for a state, but common for governments in most western democracies as they need to be populist to remain in power.

 

[scroobal]

Looks like everyone is on the same page. Compared to Ling, JBJ, Lee Siew Choh and Neo, this is clearly a different lot.

I agree with Kingrant that there is clearly an organised back office with quality researchers. Incidentally the Marxist conspiracy / Ops Spectrum also targeted the WP back office who had some quality chaps including a Harvard chap and they went for it.

I have gone thru the speeches and they are indeed quality and someone is guiding them on the use of stats. If you recall the use of Stats has always been the Achilles heel of the opposition and the favourite area of PAP to home in on. This time around the PAP could not find sufficient purchase to get their hooks on. I am pretty sure they are getting help from parts of the establishment.

It is also obvious that the PAP party whip is coordinating the attack on the WP MPs. I was surprised that Indranee Rajah who is typically fair is now involved in skunk works. Something also tells me that their assessment is that Pritam might be vulnerable. He however did not fall in that trap of theirs and kudos to him.

From this first session, looks like Joo Chiat will certainly fall with the outstanding performance by Yee. His speech clearly shows that the multi-pronged attack was also moulded around constituency issues. Note that Joo Chiat has a higher % of small business owners and he touched on it well. East Coast is also a goner unless they can ask Lim Swee Say to kill himself to save the party.

Chen' speech was quite interesting. I found it quite abstract but I suspect that he was playing the Chinese card and appealing to culture. The PAP has always feared this and addressed this vehemently in the past with the likes Tang and Tung. Because of his credentials and his international profile, that avenue is lost. They can't touch him on taxes because his incomes has not been derived locally.

 

[scroobal]

That statement of yours is absolutely accurate.

Dear Frens,

with WP having 6 MPs and causing such disarray with the other 80+ PAP MPs,

 

[HedgeTrader]

From this first session, looks like Joo Chiat will certainly fall with the outstanding performance by Yee. His speech clearly shows that the multi-pronged attack was also moulded around constituency issues. Note that Joo Chiat has a higher % of small business owners and he touched on it well. East Coast is also a goner unless they can ask Lim Swee Say to kill himself to save the party.

LOL LSS should do the honourable thing. Give the man a knife Jap style LOL

 

[zeddy]

The Workers Party are throwing the hand grenades in the right directions... The mighty PAP are rattled.. 6 Hammers against 80+ PAP MPs... When the PAP can't cope with the Hammers sniper attacks, rest assured they will bring in their Big Guns to save the day for them... So far so good by the WP.. Well Done to the 6 of them for not being intimidated by their PAP counterparts.. There is still a long way to go.. The Battle inside the Parliament will be long and weary.. All The Best to the Workers Party..

 

[The_Hypocrite]

i have and still believe that if wp is an equal opposing force to pap in parliament, it can only be good for locals. both parties would be tripping over themselves to please us and get our votes.

i admit the flip side is that policies and plans would be in 5-6 year range, short-sighted for a state, but common for governments in most western democracies as they need to be populist to remain in power.

To be honest, our parliamentary system is borrowed from the UK and I believe that the UK system is not a good system. 5 year term limits and all power to the house of commons is really bad as its a winner takes all approach. I hope the oppos bring up this point. We can get a 4 year fix term election, so there is no guessing on when election is, political parties can plan better and not be in the hands of government of the day.

5 years is just too long for a government to be in power especially with the likes of the PAP. I believe that WP will run circles around the PAP, however PAP will still have 5 years to screw up and do what they like. How many 5 years do you think Singapore have?

 

[Bigfuck]

To be honest, our parliamentary system is borrowed from the UK and I believe that the UK system is not a good system. 5 year term limits and all power to the house of commons is really bad as its a winner takes all approach. I hope the oppos bring up this point. We can get a 4 year fix term election, so there is no guessing on when election is, political parties can plan better and not be in the hands of government of the day.

5 years is just too long for a government to be in power especially with the likes of the PAP. I believe that WP will run circles around the PAP, however PAP will still have 5 years to screw up and do what they like. How many 5 years do you think Singapore have?

Dumbass. 4 years will screw everyone in Singapore. Any government which stays too short a term before a policy matures is vulnerable to the next government taking credit or destroying it. There is benefit of a stable government and longer term in office. In fact, I am for 6 years. Actually, that will force sissy Singaporeans to vote more wisely to ensure that PAP with substandard dogs lose and that PAP choose candidates smarter than LHL.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroo,

Its still early days in the electoral cycle. The key point to note which will set the tone for the next five years, are the following which will have nothing to do with the WP whether they are genuises , or charlatans.

a. PAP November CEC elections, Who is in , who is out, and the resultant policies, whether hard, soft , in between. Following on that the Budget Speech and the N Rally Speech.


b. I do not discount the conservatives within the PAP , who discount and disavow electoral politics, and the concept of a constructive loyal opposition. TT as President, and the latest Lee Wei Ling defense of the relevance of her father is an example.






Locke

Thought it was not an unexpected and quite an obvious and intelligent approach of having their members cover different issues across the country ranging from press freedom to SME being choked by GLCs, the PAP MPs are either resorting to attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message as in Shanmugam's case or completely talking rubbish like Lim Swee Say.

Suddenly the PAP does not look like a party that has merits or believes in merit. I could not find a single PAP MP who was able to acquit himself or herself decently when addressing issues raised by the WP MPs. Lets us be clear here. The comments by WP MPs are not earth shattering but clearly reflecting what is the common perception on the ground. WP under LTK is noted for caution and this time it is no different. Looks like the strategy is inch slowly, not to confront and to let the PAP dig a deeper hole.

If the PAP is smart, they will coordinate their attacks, carry a soft tone and begin working around the WP edges.

In essence, the PAP is eroding its hold not because of WP but because of their style, their approach and their disdain for treating the man on the street as an economic digit with productivity rating.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Dumbass. 4 years will screw everyone in Singapore. Any government which stays too short a term before a policy matures is vulnerable to the next government taking credit or destroying it. There is benefit of a stable government and longer term in office. In fact, I am for 6 years. Actually, that will force sissy Singaporeans to vote more wisely to ensure that PAP with substandard dogs lose and that PAP choose candidates smarter than LHL.

Hey Asshole, look at Nathan serving 2X 6 year terms...how has that befitted Singaporeans? How many 5 year terms PAP has won and has it gotten better for Singaporeans? Look at the last election, did the people vote wisely? 6 year terms are stupid...u must be the idiot that falls in the 60% and voted for TT right? Stupid comment.. 6 year terms protect the incumbent and there is less accountability.

 

[Bigfuck]

Hey Asshole, look at Nathan serving 2X 6 year terms...how has that befitted Singaporeans? How many 5 year terms PAP has won and has it gotten better for Singaporeans? Look at the last election, did the people vote wisely? 6 year terms are stupid...u must be the idiot that falls in the 60% and voted for TT right? Stupid comment.. 6 year terms protect the incumbent and there is less accountability.

President is useless period. U know shit about public policy, public financing and therefore are the dumb population of Singapore talking shit. Never mind, let me shit more on your from my asshole. The problem is not with the length of term but the candidates is parliament. I voted opposition so fuck you for vote PAP and lamenting here. Accountability is inbuilt into the Singapore legal system, philistine. It has been selectively exercised under the PAP. I said 6 not 10 because 10 would be too long breeding corruption. 4 year term in the States create problems as the cycle for 1 policy to show its effect takes more than 1 term to show effect. So Obama is fucked as Bushes plan will see effect after his term. Clinton enjoyed the fruits from Bush Snr's term. Public policy, no matter how fast in Singapore still takes time. Implementation and implementation result is not immediate. Monetary, logistics efficiency returns and asset distribution are easily measured and by the 5-6 year, it becomes very clear. Of course the emotional kind can be never. Lucky, the hypocrite can never be elected to parliament. lol. Me not interest in running for politics. Me like me carefree no PAP bother life.:oIo:

 

[Annoyed]

I am glad you singled out Yee Jenn Jong's speech because I, too, found it to be of very high quality. He is clearly focusing on his areas of expertise, like education and SMEs, and his depth of knowledge shows through. Personally, I have been very impressed with Yee leading up to the elections, and I am glad he has the opportunity to showcase himself in Parliament.

The idea of Lim SS killing himself to save the party makes me salivate. Maybe he can slash his wrist with a printout of his CPF statement

From this first session, looks like Joo Chiat will certainly fall with the outstanding performance by Yee. His speech clearly shows that the multi-pronged attack was also moulded around constituency issues. Note that Joo Chiat has a higher % of small business owners and he touched on it well. East Coast is also a goner unless they can ask Lim Swee Say to kill himself to save the party.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

The weakness and lack of moral rectitude of the PAP has been revealed. The PAP cannot stand up to scrutiny and that is why they do not deserve 2/3 majority anymore.