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why some people end up becoming missionary ?

LexLuthor

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ok will see how and plant seeds of doubt in her mind

She is a divorcee and that is not something that is going to glorify God:

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Nobody is going to believe that she has a Divine calling.
 

Eisenhut

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how to convince a person who intends to become missionary to u turn and be normal ?

Whats wrong with YOLO lifestyle? Missionary life is actually offgrid. Receive cash, no tax, all accommodation, food provided, people see you as ambassador from God, treat you respect.

Everyday lim kopi, talk about God, pray for people, actually very good life.

Thats why ppl become religious leaders
 

Eisenhut

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If there is no creator how did life start? All living things are defined by their genetic code and to believe that this is a result of random occurrences over time is just implausible.

When we read a book we know there has to be an author in some shape or form. Random typing is not going to produce a Shakespearean play.

So when it comes to humans we are defined by our genetic code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code

Surely a code of this sort of complexity has to be the product of some sort of higher power the Christian God being one possibility.

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Aye....cannot lidat say. Ppl will tell yo Big Bang and probability create everything
 

glockman

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If there is no creator how did life start? All living things are defined by their genetic code and to believe that this is a result of random occurrences over time is just implausible.

When we read a book we know there has to be an author in some shape or form. Random typing is not going to produce a Shakespearean play.

So when it comes to humans we are defined by our genetic code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code

Surely a code of this sort of complexity has to be the product of some sort of higher power the Christian God being one possibility.

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That's very cheem!! Sorry I don't know anything about molecular biology!!

Perhaps our genetic code evolved over millions of years and what it is today is just a snapshot in a process that is still evolving. Certain chemicals and agents that do not merge well or serve no part in strengthening the whole will be gradually eliminated. Sort of like survival of the fittest or the most useful?

On a non-cellular level, we can see there are many things around us which are wonderfully designed, e.g., a snowflake, fibonacci sequence, etc. No designer was involved. Only nature adapting and evolving. Please don't tell me god created nature and blah blah. And what's so damned special about the christian god anyway?

What I wrestle with is how consciousness began. I have long accepted as fact that the origin of life had nothing to do with an intelligent designer.
 

Leongsam

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What I wrestle with is how consciousness began. I have long accepted as fact that the origin of life had nothing to do with an intelligent designer.

That's what I believed for more than 40 years. However the more we uncover the complexities of life the more we realise just how little we know and why it is impossible to simply exclude the possibility that there is some greater force that we do not comprehend.

The phenomena known as quantum entanglement convinced me that as a species we do not have the intellect to make judgement calls as grandiose as crossing out the existence of an intelligent designer.

Let's try to fathom exactly what is going on with quantum entanglement first.
 

glockman

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That's what I believed for more than 40 years. However the more we uncover the complexities of life the more we realise just how little we know and why it is impossible to simply exclude the possibility that there is some greater force that we do not comprehend.

The phenomena known as quantum entanglement convinced me that as a species we do not have the intellect to make judgement calls as grandiose as crossing out the existence of an intelligent designer.

Let's try to fathom exactly what is going on with quantum entanglement first.
Another cheem subject I know absolutely nothing about! Quantum Science. Had to read about it since you brought up Quantum Entanglement. A thing (like a particle) is hard-coded (pre-programmed) to act or react in the same manner even when that thing is separated. Twins are a good example (I thought about it even before I watched the video where that chinese scientist said it).

We are understanding more about atoms and molecules, their correlation and behaviours is just because we want knowledge, we like to study and probe. In the process, we are bound to find something (because our jobs depend on it!), and then we theorize about it. And everybody goes crazy about it, people get confused or are impressed, the smart ones can figure out the complexities while people like me are dumbfounded.

Things are the way they are because they've had plenty of time to figure what how they want to be. What they want to become. In short, it is what it is. They are what they are. No designer needed.
 

meaninglesslife

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Another cheem subject I know absolutely nothing about! Quantum Science. Had to read about it since you brought up Quantum Entanglement. A thing (like a particle) is hard-coded (pre-programmed) to act or react in the same manner even when that thing is separated. Twins are a good example (I thought about it even before I watched the video where that chinese scientist said it).

We are understanding more about atoms and molecules, their correlation and behaviours is just because we want knowledge, we like to study and probe. In the process, we are bound to find something (because our jobs depend on it!), and then we theorize about it. And everybody goes crazy about it, people get confused or are impressed, the smart ones can figure out the complexities while people like me are dumbfounded.

Things are the way they are because they've had plenty of time to figure what how they want to be. What they want to become. In short, it is what it is. They are what they are. No designer needed.
u all very talented people
all so cheem to me
 

Leongsam

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Another cheem subject I know absolutely nothing about! Quantum Science. Had to read about it since you brought up Quantum Entanglement. A thing (like a particle) is hard-coded (pre-programmed) to act or react in the same manner even when that thing is separated. Twins are a good example (I thought about it even before I watched the video where that chinese scientist said it).

We are understanding more about atoms and molecules, their correlation and behaviours is just because we want knowledge, we like to study and probe. In the process, we are bound to find something (because our jobs depend on it!), and then we theorize about it. And everybody goes crazy about it, people get confused or are impressed, the smart ones can figure out the complexities while people like me are dumbfounded.

Things are the way they are because they've had plenty of time to figure what how they want to be. What they want to become. In short, it is what it is. They are what they are. No designer needed.

In the good old days everyone thought that consciousness was a product of chemical reactions within the brain. Now the latest theory is that it has something to do with quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.

Have you ever experienced a 6th sense that someone close to you is going through some sort of crisis despite being separated across thousands of km? Quantum entanglement may be the reason for this occurrence.

I no longer can conclude, with any degree of certainty, that a God cannot exist. However I'm not about to embrace any established faith because there is too much evidence that all the major religions were created by man to consolidate a power base. In other words man made religious dogma is all about politics and not about faith.
 

superpower

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In the good old days everyone thought that consciousness was a product of chemical reactions within the brain. Now the latest theory is that it has something to do with quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.

Have you ever experienced a 6th sense that someone close to you is going through some sort of crisis despite being separated across thousands of km? Quantum entanglement may be the reason for this occurrence.

I no longer can conclude, with any degree of certainty, that a God cannot exist. However I'm not about to embrace any established faith because there is too much evidence that all the major religions were created by man to consolidate a power base. In other words man made religious dogma is all about politics and not about faith.
Western science is predicated on consciousness as an epiphenomenon of matter. That is, consciousness as we know it is a by-product of neurons in our physical brain firing away and releasing chemical neurotransmitters that act at synapses.

What if we turn this materialist assumption on its head and say, maybe consciousness is embedded in the very fabric of matter - its atoms, molecules and sub-atomic particles. Maybe, even, that matter is an epiphenomenon of consciousness, i.e. at some (higher) level consciousness precedes and engenders matter. That our own piddly localised consciousness is subsumed within a larger infinite non-local Consciousness that some call God.

Then we may begin to understand quantum entanglement and non-locality.
 

congo9

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Whats wrong with YOLO lifestyle? Missionary life is actually offgrid. Receive cash, no tax, all accommodation, food provided, people see you as ambassador from God, treat you respect.

Everyday lim kopi, talk about God, pray for people, actually very good life.

Thats why ppl become religious leaders
You are right.
Actually if you pray non stop , your prayer to god will be more powerful. Cos you know what to pray. The more faith the people has towards God.
 

Eisenhut

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You are right.
Actually if you pray non stop , your prayer to god will be more powerful. Cos you know what to pray. The more faith the people has towards God.

Actually thats wrong. Long prayers were reprimanded by Jesus. Short prayers are best. In fact shortest prayer is " help me God!" Or just "help" and then God will see you as really sincere because the person really call out to God when he need God.

Which of course makes life of pastor or missionary even easier! Ultimately, pastor or missionary is not supposed to receive any glory, glory goes to God anyway
 
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