Entropy is what differentiates a watch from the ground it is lying on.
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Entropy is what differentiates a watch from the ground it is lying on.
Intelligent design and evolution are mutually exclusive. If the intelligent designer couldn't design and build a perfect model from the get go, he's not very intelligent to begin with. Remember, he supposed to be "God", the guy who created everything, knows everything!
Here's what the ideal/perfect human should look like :
https://www.unilad.com/technology/t...by-biologists-is-creeping-people-out-20220416
https://globalnews.ca/news/2839849/what-an-ideal-human-body-to-survive-a-car-crash-looks-like/
Yours is an agnostic position.
Only 2 things about which we can be certain:
1. We exist.
2. We are conscious of our existence as a subjective cognition, a self-referential awareness.
Start there. Everything else is open to investigation, observation, experimentation and perhaps drawing a conclusion of some kind. Exclude nothing... yet.
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Entropy applies only to closed systems (2nd law of Thermodynamics). A watch lying in a beach doesn't qualify.
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Really don't want to expand the conversation to the definition of closed systems.
None of us understand how the universe was formed, what was there before the big bang and what will happen as it continues to expand at an ever increasing rate. Without this understanding we can only speculate.
BTW, where's @nightsafari? What's your view? 
What exactly would an INTELLIGENT DESIGNER do?
Based upon Humankind's progress & evolution, we are only at the TIP of the iceberg of UNIVERSAL knowledge. Even with AI, such is still unable to answer to many questions about ORIGINS of Humankind illustratively & conclusively, as AI, even with the best quantum mechanics processors, as such as only info that is INPUTED by Humans...
Never, EVER, presume that an INTELLIGENT DESIGNER is OF THE SAME LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE & CONSCIOUSNESS of even our PRESENT Humanity.
We Humanity were NEVER created as robots. Robots are dependent on programs by another, & while it is able to give the supposedly best answers to resolve issues, such basically follows what data it has been inputted. by flawed Humans as NO ONE is perfect. And robots, while seemingly eternal, such are still dependent of POWER SUPPLY & MAINTENANCE. Once that is cut off, the robot is dead.
Humans, on the other hand, are BIOLOGICAL Beings, with ABILITY to reproduce limitlessly, to ensure the CONTITUANITY of the Human Race. It only needs SUSTAINABILITY of IDEALS, to do such, based upon LOVE, for each other - care & concern, the HIGHEST DIMENSION that is NOT known by Humanity to QUANITIFY such but only based upon one's EXPERIENCE, & to see the results, with is EVIDENT by the PROGRESS of Humankind from barbaric jungles & caves into RULE OF LAW Civilizations that we this generation saw today, to build, evolve & progress for further innocent generations to come...
Such comes with the DIVINE GIFT of FREE WILL, to chose one's own path carefully - towards evolution or destruction of Humankind, something that a software program will NEVER do, because thru FREE WILL, based upon SCIENCE which we can only define as 'FUZZY LOGIC' - ALTERNATIVES to destruction with the DIVINE gift of intelligence & EXPERIENCES IN LIFE FROM BIRTH TO PRESENT DAY, to chose a right path, or the best of worst paths, so that LOVED ones will survive...
Such is NOT what an automated computer software can perform even by design, as AI is just a mere machine & knows NOT emotions, & the necessary NEEDS of such emotions to propel sentient beings into the stars, as a DESTINY promised eons ago to Humankind to an ever EXPANDING UNIVERSE....
Big Bang theory? Such only applies to living organisms, with top of the food chain being dinosaurs living millions of years ago. even with one acknowledges the truths of Darwinism. Despite millions of years survival, they had never been able to produce CIVILIZATION, even if they knew love & care for their loved ones, or let alone survive their eventual doom thru asteroids that bombarded Earth back then & ended their lives, while we Humanity, are at the cusp of evolution by studying stars beyond our eyes that our ancestors could only look at the moon, & such is EVOLUTION beyond mere simple Earth bound survival...thru the help of intelligent design....
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Yes, there are so many things we do not yet understand or even know that it exists. The Rumsfeld matrix says it all.
“…there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.” – Donald Rumsfeld
Logically speaking, the more discoveries are made through the sciences, the further we ought to move away from the notion of a divine creator.
Never say never. Possibilities abound & each Human has the divine gift of FREE WILL to choose, as well as the humility to accept the CONSEQUENCES of choices, proven Worldwide since the dawn of Civilization, for the rise & fall of nations & inhabitants, even today.
As with possibilities & free will, it may well be that the more discoveries are made thru sciences, the CLOSER we may draw towards the notion of a DIVINE CREATOR.... the way a doctor since the reformation era of the 17th century in Europe & even today, realized that no way living organisms could had COME TOGETHER NATURALLY over mere hundred thousands of years on a planet with Billions of years in existence, even if based upon Darwin's hypothesis, to produce the Human body, let alone the MIND which only in recent years that NEUROSCIENCE had made discoveries...
Boss sam shares the same view as you, the more we learn and discover, the more the case for intelligent design. I differ.
This thing about free will, I believe it's just an illusion. Taught to christians so they feel they have control of their lives. When in fact they don't. Not I say, but the bible said :
"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will". Ephesians 1:11
I believe there are a few other verses along these lines which I can't recall, so I was not able to locate them.
There's also this conflict between god being omniscient (all knowing) vs free will. Since he knows in advance how we will exercise our free will, then we cannot be said to be acting freely, because he already knows what we will do. Remember, nothing happens if he does not will it.
All parents loved their kids.
1) A father warns his young son against taking or selling psychotic drugs, because he KNOWS how harmful it can be to oneself & worse if one sells deadly poison to others, harming others as well as EVENTUALLY being HANGED for such crimes. He is not omniscient, but based his judgement upon education & experiences in life.
The son became an adult, disregarded his father's warnings, no longer tied to mother's apron strings & used his gift of FREE WILL to be a drug addict & dealer. Eventually, what his father taught him came to pass - he was caught, found guilty & hanged.
2) A father realized his daughter had shown interest in healing others, playing doctor while young. So he encourages her to go into the medical field, saving & scrimping to put her thru medical school as he KNOWS it will bring her a better future in life as well as saving lives. He is not omniscient, but based his judgement upon education & experiences in life.
Eventually, it came to pass - she became a doctor, had saved lives & was highly regarded in society.
NEVER mistake FATE from Destiny. Such are different. With fate, one can still exercise SELF DETERMINATION, but must face up to consequences, good or bad. Destiny is something that CANNOT be changed, & HUMANKIND'S destiny is to the stars - a promise made by an intelligent designer eons ago, evident by huge amount of interests & studies, as well as even abilities to send probes beyond our Solar system & discoveries of exo Earth like planets.
You had quoted from the Bible. It is good, but such ancient scriptures MUST be read & re-read in FULL to fully understand what are the teachings, & NEVER to read a few lines & presume one has full knowledge of the teachings. It would be a bad mistake. Much of Humanity's basic laws came & are adapted from ancient scriptures, as such teaches one how to survive, live & progress Civilization, from the time Humans appeared on Earth till today.
Some may say - since our destiny is to fill the stars, then why not the intelligent designer just simply transplant us there?
The truth is that education takes time - to learn to walk before learning to run, or else one will only suffer a bad fall.
Furthermore, Knowledge is power, power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In order to get to the moon, there were several steps to take before making that leap. Aerodynamics, engine, fuel, astrophysics, etc, & it would be impossible to learn within one day as well as a studious environment to share, to learn, to build upon knowledge, etc to get to the moon.
Worse still are the many applications that was learnt - such as knowledge of atomic power which lead to nukes plaguing our current world over fears of its misuse. Humankind had found exo Earth like planets in the Universe, as well as resources there, but encounter the issue of getting there, which the nearest is 11.7 light years away.
We will eventually find a way to overcome such difficulties, as proven by our advances. However, the fear is that such knowledge gained may instead be misused, without learning how to handle, manage or regulate it properly, thus education & experiences are necessary before we make such technological leaps.
The truth is that education takes time - to learn to walk before learning to run, or else one will only suffer a bad fall.
Furthermore, Knowledge is power, power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In order to get to the moon, there were several steps to take before making that leap. Aerodynamics, engine, fuel, astrophysics, etc, & it would be impossible to learn within one day as well as a studious environment to share, to learn, to build upon knowledge, etc to get to the moon.
Worse still are the many applications that was learnt - such as knowledge of atomic power which lead to nukes plaguing our current world over fears of its misuse. Humankind had found exo Earth like planets in the Universe, as well as resources there, but encounter the issue of getting there, which the nearest is 11.7 light years away.
We will eventually find a way to overcome such difficulties, as proven by our advances. However, the fear is that such knowledge gained may instead be misused, without learning how to handle, manage or regulate it properly, thus education & experiences are necessary before we make such technological leaps.
This deeply philosophical exchange started because some people love fucking in missionary position.
Spoken like a true blue extremist trying to gaslight followers of another faith. Is this how terrorists get started in the "business" of murdering "infidels"?
infinity so hard 2 grasp 1 meh? ...
isnt it juz sum ting u hold in ze palm of ur hand? ...
Too bad for the son who did not listen, and hurray to the daughter who managed to realise her full potential! That's why I believe that daughters are better than sons. Daughters also tend to be closer to their fathers, sons are usually assholes. In my next life, I will be sure to have more daughters than sons. Or maybe I should choose to not have any children at all. Never mind, I have the free will to decide then.
It's possible only when you possess all six stones
u made it sound so complicated n hard ...
tis man said it sweet n simple ...
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