yong vui kong is finally enlightened!

[HedgeTrader]

saving that life look easy for the president, why doesn't he oblige? just do it!!

I don't think president can just do it even if he personally wants to. He has to act on advice from cabinet and council of advisers.

 

[drifter]

No one got the right to take another life no matter what happen ..period .

 

[fukyuman]

A ghastly way to end someone's life. The movie the Last Hangman is accurate in detail showing how this is done.

But chinese forever have nightmares with death, dreading being escorted by cow head and horse face man beasts. Does'nt help when the guy who enter your cell is a sai kong chanting while you are still alive. Many freaked out and have to be dragged or carried to the gallows, including Anthony Ler and Mimi Wong. Except Adrian Lim who walked calmly. Only one guy managed beat the hangman noose by hoarding panadol pills from the warders and poisoned himself. Before that, he would fling feces at the warders.

Maybe Saudi method is best, stuff the prisoner with sedatives until too stoned to be aware. Die in holy land some more.

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[Char_Azn]

You may be from a different background and to you black is black and white is white. If this unfortunate incident were to happen to your brother I think you will sing a different tune. Of course it will not happen but in my life, I have experienced many things I thought would not happen to me. Hope you can remain as naive throughout your life as you are now, although I don't believe nothing will change.

What if the druggie whose family got ruined is your brother??? Have U thought of the victims??? And have you thought about what will happen to the pple around this Vui guy? Pple know he got hanged coz he brought drugs in, do you think his friends who are probably mules or runners will risk doing the same? His 1 death may in turn save those pple. Yes if i was my brother at the gallows, I'd sing different tune, but it's not. And I would pity the guy if he was a first timer and he got caught or if there is any doubt that he might have been frame, he wasn't in both cases, so no I dun feel that sorry for him.

 

[Unrepented]

He claim to be currently subscribing to Buddhist believe, then he believes in rebirth right? Action and consquences.

IMO, he has been singled out for political mileage. There are many other singaporean inmates on the death sentence, where they mentioned? One eyed dragon also kena death sentence in very recent memory, I did not hear a wimper from so called activitists.....or did they?

"Giving him some hope is the worst thing one can do to someone"; Maybe you are referring to pratama and group, but how about the activists?

As long as he gets a fair trial.

If a person knows the rules chooses to go against it, then man up to the consequences. If there are problems with the rules so compelling that is against public good, then raise the issue with the ruling government. Like I said, there are many other singaporeans on death sentence too.

What is justice and fairness? A long unanswered question with divided views.

Watch this and it gives us good for thought ; www.justiceharvard.org

I think it is sad that his life is taken away. The length of time waiting for death is like dying many times over already and in fact he is already dead mentally. It is better to be killed without knowing death is coming than what he has been facing every day. Giving him some hope is the worst thing one can do to someone.

 

[Windsor]

Those who say it is right to execute Yong ought to re-examine his case.

"Unrepented says: As long as he gets a fair trial."

Firstly he was only 18 years old when arrested under Singapore’s harsh anti-drug laws. To me personally, 18 years old is still a youth who is wet behind the years. Remember when you were 18 years old, and can you say you are matured at that age?

Secondly, he was denied due legal process when a highly placed Cabinet Minister made a comment which prejudged him. Law Minister Shanmugam has already blurted out that they will not pardon Yong. He followed that by also saying the president has no powers to grant clemency, and that it is the cabinet that makes the decision.

Now for the best part. Yes, people do die of drug overdose of hard drugs but in the Singapore context that would number very few. On the other hand, there are tobacco companies that sell legalized addictive drugs that on average are responsible for the deaths of thousands every year.

Is anyone jailing or executing the tobacco drug dealers who are responsible for far more deaths than the dealers in drugs who are destined to be executed. So where is the consistency? Every once in a while, we hear of cigarette smugglers getting caught. They should also be hanged if the government decides to banned the smoking of cigarettes. That will never happen as the revenue is just too great.

The only real difference is that governments have legalized tobacco, despite its being highly addictive, because they love the revenue. To politicians they see the revenue but fail to see the death and misery created for their citizens by the tobacco companies. There are none as blind as those who did not wish to see.

Another thing that has never been studied thoroughly. Do meting out the death penalty deter murderers and drug dealers more or the threat of a lifelong imprisonment? Can any of you who thinks Yong should be hang know which is a better deterrent? Did hanging drug dealers in any way stop or reduce the number of users or the smuggling of drugs? Was there a reduction in the numbers of murders since the death penalty was imposed? Any one of you have a link to the records?

Lastly, we see so many deaths and bodies being found recently. What does it show?

 

[drifter]

Those who say it is right to execute Yong ought to re-examine his case.

"Unrepented says: As long as he gets a fair trial."

Firstly he was only 18 years old when arrested under Singapore’s harsh anti-drug laws. To me personally, 18 years old is still a youth who is wet behind the years. Remember when you were 18 years old, and can you say you are matured at that age?

Secondly, he was denied due legal process when a highly placed Cabinet Minister made a comment which prejudged him. Law Minister Shanmugam has already blurted out that they will not pardon Yong. He followed that by also saying the president has no powers to grant clemency, and that it is the cabinet that makes the decision.

Now for the best part. Yes, people do die of drug overdose of hard drugs but in the Singapore context that would number very few. On the other hand, there are tobacco companies that sell legalized addictive drugs that on average are responsible for the deaths of thousands every year.

Is anyone jailing or executing the tobacco drug dealers who are responsible for far more deaths than the dealers in drugs who are destined to be executed. So where is the consistency? Every once in a while, we hear of cigarette smugglers getting caught. They should also be hanged if the government decides to banned the smoking of cigarettes. That will never happen as the revenue is just too great.

The only real difference is that governments have legalized tobacco, despite its being highly addictive, because they love the revenue. To politicians they see the revenue but fail to see the death and misery created for their citizens by the tobacco companies. There are none as blind as those who did not wish to see.

Another thing that has never been studied thoroughly. Do meting out the death penalty deter murderers and drug dealers more or the threat of a lifelong imprisonment? Can any of you who thinks Yong should be hang know which is a better deterrent? Did hanging drug dealers in any way stop or reduce the number of users or the smuggling of drugs? Was there a reduction in the numbers of murders since the death penalty was imposed? Any one of you have a link to the records?

Lastly, we see so many deaths and bodies being found recently. What does it show?

clap clap ...bro , well said !!!

 

[drifter]

What if the druggie whose family got ruined is your brother??? Have U thought of the victims??? And have you thought about what will happen to the pple around this Vui guy? Pple know he got hanged coz he brought drugs in, do you think his friends who are probably mules or runners will risk doing the same? His 1 death may in turn save those pple. Yes if i was my brother at the gallows, I'd sing different tune, but it's not. And I would pity the guy if he was a first timer and he got caught or if there is any doubt that he might have been frame, he wasn't in both cases, so no I dun feel that sorry for him.

are you stupid or what ? his death will never save another person ...cause drug addicts will find another source of supply ...drug addicts will never have only one supplier .

 

[Windsor]

clap clap ...bro , well said !!!

Thanks bro. One thing that never occur to these guys is that causing the death of another human should not be taken lightly. By not taking a stand means that they fully agree and they are a willing party to the deliberate murder of another human being.

 

[Unrepented]

1. Agree on your comments regarding tobacco and govt allowing its import. But being wrong in this would not make the other case right. Fight his case according to the laws of the land. If laws are inappropriate, then get the singapore pubic to support his pardon, and amendment to the law. Like I said, there are other inmates on death sentence too. Why single him out, make him the poster boy and give him false hope? Like another forumer implied that false hope is a torture.

2. Imo, can discuss until kingdom come about the correlation about age and maturity.

3. Question is the comment made by a highly placed Cabinet Minister so material to the case that its absence will cause an aquittal?

4. Law minister blurted...; From my pov, shan made his conclusion base on the judgment through the process in the courts. Nothing wrong with that imo. Unless the defendent's lawyer can find any fault and make a strong case on shan's comments, bring it up.

5. On presidential powers; he is just stating the facts. Imo, he was just telling the people not the bark up the wrong tree. Put in the efforts where it matters. Need to amend presidential powers? Let the public decide.

Currently, without a sizable oppositions in parliament, the public can't decide shit.

Lastly, did any political parties who feel strongly against the death penalty raise any issue with it during the elections? I did not follow all the speeches.

Imo, death penalty for carrying hard drugs into singapore is part of the country's defence mechanism.

Those who say it is right to execute Yong ought to re-examine his case.

"Unrepented says: As long as he gets a fair trial."

Firstly he was only 18 years old when arrested under Singapore’s harsh anti-drug laws. To me personally, 18 years old is still a youth who is wet behind the years. Remember when you were 18 years old, and can you say you are matured at that age?

Secondly, he was denied due legal process when a highly placed Cabinet Minister made a comment which prejudged him. Law Minister Shanmugam has already blurted out that they will not pardon Yong. He followed that by also saying the president has no powers to grant clemency, and that it is the cabinet that makes the decision.

 

[Windsor]

are you stupid or what ? his death will never save another person ...cause drug addicts will find another source of supply ...drug addicts will never have only one supplier .

Drug lords are the worst scums because they use those who are poor and desperate to do the dirty work. In many cases, these poor runners are sent with the drugs at the same time. One will be revealed and caught whilst the rest escape. This is a known ruse the drug lords will use. Therefore one poor soul is sacrificed in order several others will get through. More will be employed as some will die, it is not a problem as there are many poor and desperate people around willing to sacrifice their lives. After all, being alive with no money is a living death.

 

[drifter]

Drug lords are the worst scums because they use those who are poor and desperate to do the dirty work. In many cases, these poor runners are sent with the drugs at the same time. One will be revealed and caught whilst the rest escape. This is a known ruse the drug lords will use. Therefore one poor soul is sacrificed in order several others will get through. More will be employed as some will die, it is not a problem as there are many poor and desperate people around willing to sacrifice their lives. After all, being alive with no money is a living death.

agreed with you 100% ..some ppl here only can see the surface of the problem ...

 

[drifter]

Thanks bro. One thing that never occur to these guys is that causing the death of another human should not be taken lightly. By not taking a stand means that they fully agree and they are a willing party to the deliberate murder of another human being.

those ppl who agreed on death sentence already kena brainwashed by singapore goverment .

 

[Windsor]

1. Agree on your comments regarding tobacco and govt allowing its import. But being wrong in this would not make the other case right. Fight his case according to the laws of the land. If laws are inappropriate, then get the singapore pubic to support his pardon, and amendment to the law. Like I said, there are other inmates on death sentence too. Why single him out, make him the poster boy and give him false hope? Like another forumer implied that false hope is a torture.

2. Imo, can discuss until kingdom come about the correlation about age and maturity.

3. Question is the comment made by a highly placed Cabinet Minister so material to the case that its absence will cause an aquittal?

4. Law minister blurted...; From my pov, shan made his conclusion base on the judgment through the process in the courts. Nothing wrong with that imo. Unless the defendent's lawyer can find any fault and make a strong case on shan's comments, bring it up.

5. On presidential powers; he is just stating the facts. Imo, he was just telling the people not the bark up the wrong tree. Put in the efforts where it matters. Need to amend presidential powers? Let the public decide.

Currently, without a sizable oppositions in parliament, the public can't decide shit.

Lastly, did any political parties who feel strongly against the death penalty raise any issue with it during the elections? I did not follow all the speeches.

Imo, death penalty for carrying hard drugs into singapore is part of the country's defence mechanism.

Well the forumer is not wrong to state that giving hope to anyone on death row is a torture in itself. You may not agree but it is true. Not many people can accept being put to death as long as there is life there is hope. It is false hope if he is eventually put to death. If he is not, he already died many times over waiting for news whether he has been pardoned.

Of course everyone against the death penalty is trying their best. Alan Shadrake is one and there are many others as well. I have signed the petition and I said this many months ago on another thread. In fact I started the thread about it.

2. Yes, we can argue til the cows come home, but age is a factor that should be taken in consideration on such a grave matter.

3. In other countries, possibly as it implied that judgement has already been passed, not by the judge, but by someone in his position as the Law Minister. If a Law Minister voiced such a comment, how can there be a fair hearing now that the judge knows exactly the thoughts of the Minister? By right, he should not make any comment in public regarding this particular case. Fair comment if it is made about cases in general.

4. It was brought up but the judge did not accept it.

5. Is that necessary that it be out before the President who has no say in the matter. Why the need to have it called a Presidential Pardon? Why not call a spade a spade? You mean after 46 years of the PAP rule, many of us were ignorant that the President is a lame duck? Even lawyers and many others were unaware of this fact. So we need it to be explained in no uncertain terms by the present Law Minister this is the hard truth? Don't they teach this to lawyers who sometimes are elevated to the bench? Which means many judges does not know it too.

Agreed that we can do shit about it because we have too little oppositions in parliament to ask questions and change unfair policies. However, we have the internet to enlighten those who swallow the government's reasonings hook, line and sinker.

 

[leetahbar]

things might be different if SDP didn't meddle in it under the guise of "activists" for human rights. ravi is linked to sdp and that makes alot of difference in the whole matter.