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Why PAP say No Minimum wage for sinkies, but they give ownselves Minimum Wage?

blueRad

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In the real world, if you are really capable, you should have demonstrated this in the field of your expertise. And demonstrated it so well that companies will seek you out to pay you millions. This is not really the case with the PAP, right? Just taking one example, Desmond Quek has not demonstrated any such expertise, yet he is paid $ millions.

As I mentioned before, CEOs are chosen for their management and leadership skills, not for their specialty. The specialists will be the one below him and following the CEO's direction.
 

frenchbriefs

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As I mentioned before, CEOs are chosen for their management and leadership skills, not for their specialty. The specialists will be the one below him and following the CEO's direction.

as u can tell from smrt and NOL,management and leadership skills is not enough,u actually need ceos who know what the fuck they are doing,have the knowledge of the industry and the technical expertise.

maybe that is what they teach u in business 101 school,maybe management and leadership is enough for a mediocre company.but for those companies who are truly outstanding,u need ceos that understands their company well,their industry well,their technology well,like elon musk,larry ellison,jeff bezos or ceo of google or goldman sachs or morgan stanley or black rock.these ceos are born to do what they are born to do......surely u dont expect any two bit ministar or some 3rd rate paper general from SAF to hop on to the board of goldman sachs and run it like a tight ship.......their ceos climbed thru the ranks of their organizations and cutthroat industries,proven they are talented in their fields of work and established their fearsome reputations as a trader or banker or whatever before reaching the top.

even the ceo of coca cola is no ordinary human being,he is the master of salesmen,master of marketing,he based his reputation on generating billions of sales in his previous companies throughout his lifetime career......unlike our ministers and paper general
 
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johnny333

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Pinkie had to have 2 senior ministers tutor him, LKY & GCT. Does it mean that he wasn't qualified to be PM:confused:

Or were these 2 senior MPs redundant & jobs had to be created to justify keeping them in the gov't:confused:
 

jw5

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Their main intention is not to have the ministars earning at least $1.1 Million. Their main intention is to drive the salaries for ministars as high as possible, such that they can claim that a future figure of say, $5 Million is reasonable, considering that $1.1 Million is the "minimum". This also causes easily impressionable Sinkies to be convinced that they deserve their humongous pay, since the "minimum" is "only" $1.1 Million, even though they do next to nothing other than state the obvious and make motherhood statements. :wink:

Not really, theirs is a minimum wage. For example, the entry level Minister earns $1.1 million. That is his minimum wage. He cannot earn below this. But he has a KPI and can also much more if he meets it in the form of bonus and incentives pay. Take Lim Hng Kian for example. He is the minister of Trade and industry. SO, he is by law given a minimum salary. Then he can earn more from his KPIs. On top of that, he is on the BOD of GIC, Deputy Director of MAS, CEO of GIC Land Pte Ltd, and BOD of National Research Foundation. So how much more in Director Fees and other income is he deriving from all these sources? Add on top his SAF pension from the time he was a Scholar General and you can see his minimum minister pay really is the minimum that he can earn.
 

jw5

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Don't forget all the "ministars in the prime ministars office" who are there to recommend the bestest places to queue for chicken wings. :wink:

Pinkie had to have 2 senior ministers tutor him, LKY & GCT. Does it mean that he wasn't qualified to be PM:confused:

Or were these 2 senior MPs redundant & jobs had to be created to justify keeping them in the gov't:confused:
 

Charlie99

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Not really, theirs is a minimum wage. For example, the entry level Minister earns $1.1 million. That is his minimum wage. He cannot earn below this. But he has a KPI and can also much more if he meets it in the form of bonus and incentives pay. Take Lim Hng Kian for example. He is the minister of Trade and industry. SO, he is by law given a minimum salary. Then he can earn more from his KPIs. On top of that, he is on the BOD of GIC, Deputy Director of MAS, CEO of GIC Land Pte Ltd, and BOD of National Research Foundation. So how much more in Director Fees and other income is he deriving from all these sources? Add on top his SAF pension from the time he was a Scholar General and you can see his minimum minister pay really is the minimum that he can earn.

Wow, I was unaware that as an MP and a Minister, who is well paid for his full time work as a Minister, he is also probably well compensated for his other appointments.
I wonder whether or not he has to take unpaid time off, when he attends meetings on other business: MAS, GIC, etc.

By the way, I believe that LHK, was only a LTC or COL before he retired as a SAFOS officer.
 

Charlie99

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After all, the PAP set their own pay for the positions of MPs and Minister. In fact, its passed by law and approved by the President. It basically says that all MPs MUST earn at least $17K a month. Not maybe, or possible or what not. But must minimally earn this. Also entry level Minister minimum pay is also passed by Parliament as law, and is set at $1.1 million. This is the minimum that a Minister can get paid, it cannot be less then this amount, and it can go much higher with bonuses and other pays. Make no mistake about it. It is a minimum wage in name, in law, and in function.

So, the question is why the PAP can legislate a minimum salary for themselves but cannot do the same for the rank and file sinkie worker? why will they not say the minimum wage is $5 an hour for unskilled and $10 and hour for skilled sinkie employees? I guess 70% sinkies are too stupid to see the double standard set by the PAP.

I suggest that the SG govt. consider and implement a minimum wage policy of say $10 per hour for unskilled labour, and may be $15 to $20 per hour for skilled labour, based on the minimum income for MP's and Ministers.
 

Charlie99

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You see, my question is why don't oppo groups bring this point up during elections? After all, legislated salaries for Ministers is actually minimum wage. This salary cannot be reduced even for very very poor performance. Even without the oppo bringing this up, why can't the normal sinkie voter understand this point, and vote accordingly at the last GE? Why must a nobody like PAPsmearer bring this up in a forum like Sammyboy? Politician pay is the only wage in the whole country that is passed by law. No other industry has this. Some industry like airline industry have a pay scale for starting pilots and what not. But that is within the airline and determined by the airline and not by Parliament. And it differs from airlines to airlines. But politician pay is uniformly the same and legally binding.

Did Chee Soon Juan raise the minimum wage issue?
 

hsienloong

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After all, the PAP set their own pay for the positions of MPs and Minister. In fact, its passed by law and approved by the President. It basically says that all MPs MUST earn at least $17K a month. Not maybe, or possible or what not. But must minimally earn this. Also entry level Minister minimum pay is also passed by Parliament as law, and is set at $1.1 million. This is the minimum that a Minister can get paid, it cannot be less then this amount, and it can go much higher with bonuses and other pays. Make no mistake about it. It is a minimum wage in name, in law, and in function. So, the question is why the PAP can legislate a minimum salary for themselves but cannot do the same for the rank and file sinkie worker? why will they not say the minimum wage is $5 an hour for unskilled and $10 and hour for skilled sinkie employees? I guess 70% sinkies are too stupid to see the double standard set by the PAP.
That means after paying themselves millions, there is not much left for others. Workers would have to compete with foreigners for jobs with 3rd World type of salary.
 

dr.wailing

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I wonder whether or not he has to take unpaid time off, when he attends meetings on other business: MAS, GIC, etc.

No need to take unpaid time off. A little bird from the West can vouch for it. Sinkies have to accept reality as 69.9% of the electorate had voted for this type of gabrament.
 

winnipegjets

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PAP politicians care only about themselves.

Wonder why the government doesn't want transparency in ministerial pay ...because those pigs reward themselves lots in bonus. So, don't be surprised that each minister earns at least $1.5 million a year.
 

winnipegjets

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Wow, I was unaware that as an MP and a Minister, who is well paid for his full time work as a Minister, he is also probably well compensated for his other appointments.
I wonder whether or not he has to take unpaid time off, when he attends meetings on other business: MAS, GIC, etc.

By the way, I believe that LHK, was only a LTC or COL before he retired as a SAFOS officer.

There are more million-dollar politicians than just the minister. A mayor will make a million. Why do we need mayors in the first place?
 

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as u can tell from smrt and NOL,management and leadership skills is not enough,u actually need ceos who know what the fuck they are doing,have the knowledge of the industry and the technical expertise.

maybe that is what they teach u in business 101 school,maybe management and leadership is enough for a mediocre company.but for those companies who are truly outstanding,u need ceos that understands their company well,their industry well,their technology well,like elon musk,larry ellison,jeff bezos or ceo of google or goldman sachs or morgan stanley or black rock.these ceos are born to do what they are born to do......surely u dont expect any two bit ministar or some 3rd rate paper general from SAF to hop on to the board of goldman sachs and run it like a tight ship.......their ceos climbed thru the ranks of their organizations and cutthroat industries,proven they are talented in their fields of work and established their fearsome reputations as a trader or banker or whatever before reaching the top.

even the ceo of coca cola is no ordinary human being,he is the master of salesmen,master of marketing,he based his reputation on generating billions of sales in his previous companies throughout his lifetime career......unlike our ministers and paper general

well said. The PAP's SAF scholar general and PSC scholars have failed every acid test out there. If they were so talented, they would have been enticed to leave the govt and join private industry and run a big company and get paid millions $. Stock options are in theory much more valuable then salary alone. Even while running GLCs like NOL and SMRT, non of them have been recruited to be CEOs of truly private companies. When NOL gets sold, you will see the SAF scholar jump to another GLC or Stat board or be an MP. But never enter really private industry. Why has no ex SAF Scholar been recruited to run large successful singapore companies like McDonald's, OCBC, Far East. etc.
 

Papsmearer

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As I mentioned before, CEOs are chosen for their management and leadership skills, not for their specialty. The specialists will be the one below him and following the CEO's direction.

But that is not how the PAP chooses them. They chose them from the ranks of the SAF scholar generals. I have met some scholars before in the Army. Non of them have demonstrated real leadership and management skill to me. All they have done is use their rank to get others to do their bidding. In the army, the structure does not allow the lower ranks to disobey the instructions from above. In the real world, this kind of leadership and management skill does not work. If you are not a good leader no one will listen to you. U need to motivate them, not simply order them around.
 
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