What's with the fucking anti TJS posts?

[steffychun]

http://notmysdp.blogspot.com/2011/07/tan-jee-say-escorted-by-sdp-member.html

 

[steffychun]

Actually, theory based- TJS not suppose to get COE(No $100 million company capital). TT math knowledge told his good friend Lee to give TJS & TKL COE to dilute TCB's vote. Remember, elections department comes under PMO. Let all be calm. Let hope TJS will GE 2016 and TCB win PE 2017. Win win.

Then we should complain to Yam Ah Mee

 

[Perspective]

I think CB would make an an excellent "unifying" President which is what I think Singapore needs. Definitely better than TJS or Phony for that matter. As an "executive" President to check on the Government, maybe "average to good" but not excellent.

But if you look at his campaign, he did come across as what Alex Au put bluntly, "standing for nothing". He appeared to lack vibrancy and drive. Maybe he was just tired.

I will say I am disappointed and it pains me that he did not make it. But the opportunity was too good a chance to pass up. Hence, I can't say I regret it.

At the very least, it sends a message to the opposition that theirs is not a lost cause. More importantly, it sends a message to those currently waiting in the wings that joining the opposition is not a lost cause and a waste of time. If TJS had secured 5%, I think you will see those waiting in the wings stepping back because not many are prepared to slog it out without any hope of succeeding.

Good summary in the defending of voting TJS. I too agree that if TJS scored too low, it sends a less scathing message to PAP.

On hindsight, I thought it might not be so good for TCB to win with 35%. Imagine that he will get all the mocking that TT is getting now. Except in that scenario, it will be PAP supporters doing that mocking.

 

[Perspective]

Actually, theory based- TJS not suppose to get COE(No $100 million company capital). TT math knowledge told his good friend Lee to give TJS & TKL COE to dilute TCB's vote. Remember, elections department comes under PMO. Let all be calm. Let hope TJS will GE 2016 and TCB win PE 2017. Win win.

I'm of the view that the PEC is absolutely not independent. Corrupt! The next time they won't qualify TJS if TCB is not challenging. The PEC always change people.

 

[Nik1971]

Good summary in the defending of voting TJS. I too agree that if TJS scored too low, it sends a less scathing message to PAP.

On hindsight, I thought it might not be so good for TCB to win with 35%. Imagine that he will get all the mocking that TT is getting now. Except in that scenario, it will be PAP supporters doing that mocking.

25% vote is way to low to trouble anyone. TJS cannot make it. TCB + TT = 70%, thats 70% for PAP...very much reflective of GE in GRC where SDP contests. TJS is history. So is NS.

 

[PTADER]

"In the cyberspace kopitiam of Internet, there is a different world where politics, news and gossip are exchanged in an unmoderated, uncensored fashion. The Government recognises that it too must enter Internet and help create a Singapore neighbourhood....Young PAP (YP) is one such outfit staking a place in this neighbourhood. Zuraidah Ibrahim speaks to Mr Harold Fock, 25, the Head of the YP Internet Committee...Insight: Do you think an unmoderated uncensored forum like Internet is good for intellectual development here? Mr Fock: It is good, provided you can get the nuisance users out. Open debate is always good for any society.Hopefully, instead of just sliming the Government, we can get the Internet community to provide ideas and feedback and be engaged on policies to improve the country." Young PAP makes a stand on behalf of S'pore on internet , 147th Prostitute Press, 08 April 1995

"THE People's Action Party (PAP) is mounting a quiet counter-insurgency against its online critics. It has members going into Internet forums and blogs to rebut anti-establishment views and putting up postings anonymously....But this can only work if activists are not 'too obvious' about it, Mr Baey said yesterday. Otherwise it comes across as 'propaganda'. 'The identity is not important. It is the message that is important,' he added. One activist who is involved said that when posting comments on online forums and the feedback boxes of blogs, he does not identify himself as a PAP member." PAP moves to counter criticism of party, Govt in cyberspace , 147th Prostitute Press, 03 February 2007

The PAP online presence has come a long way from the mid-90s when it was headed by the YPAP Internet Committee (IC). Then people like Harold Fock would post in scs using their real names. But the YPAP IC was a failure. It could not spread its propaganda about the PAP nor did it succeed in tearing down members of the opposition parties.

Fast forward 12 years later and the PAP presence is no longer headed by a YPAP member running an inexperienced, amateurish and bumbling YPAP Internet Committee. It has evolved. A new committee has taken over the role of the YPAP IC. The "New Media (NM)" committee is now headed by a PAP Minister to run its "counter-insurgency" campaign. One sub-committee strategises this "counter-insurgency" campaign. The other, the "new media capabilities group", executes these strategies.

The success of the PAP NMC over the YPAP IC over the past 4 years until today is obvious to see. It has opposition supporters (even some of the older ones who should know better) eating out of their hands.

It has members of the opposition, whose myopia and inability to see the larger picture, joining it to flay members of the opposition camps. It has opposition members, whose selfish and narrow interest in protecting their party's interest in fear that the success of another opposition party is "bad" for them, joining this PAP NMC in disparaging and tearing down other opposition members from other opposition parties. And all this is done under the self-righteous guise of "fair criticisms" when the intent is clearly otherwise.

The PAP Prostitute Press, needless to say, will seize on "what netizens are saying" and publicise such "sentiments" in the mainstream media as being the "common" sentiment expressed by netizens. The just concluded PE is a prime example.

It will only be to the detriment of members of the oppostion and their supporters if they continue to join members of the PAP New Media Committee (some of whom pose as WP supporters like what young and ambitious "steffychun" does) to disparage and tear down other oppositionists and opposition parties. A tit-for-tat "war" will result. It has happened before. It may well be initiated by the PAP NMC. If not, it will certainly encourage and fan this online "war".

The end-result? Those waiting in the wings will not step out. And whatever current success you may have cannot and will not be replicated as the CSMs and TJSs waiting in the wings step back rather than risk getting their names dragged through the m&d. These are "heavyweight", successful professionals. They do not need to be in oppositional politics in the first place. They can afford to pack up and leave should the political and economic climate degenerate further. It is the ordinary Singaporeans who have neither the money nor skills to emigrate and who need these people most to represent their interest who will suffer.

To the opposition supporters and opposition members, I say this again: Have no fear. A rising opposition tide lifts each and every and all opposition boats. And that includes your party's boat.

 

[steffychun]

Face it. WP is the true opposition. Not this wannabe opportunist.

 

[methink]

Face it. WP is the true opposition. Not this wannabe opportunist.

My take is this: TJS together with Jeannette, Nicole, Michelle Lee, Dr Vincent, Dr Leong, Dr Wong, amongst others... will blow beat any PAP or WP team.

WP were lucky to have CSM in the last GE. The rest cannot hope to match up to those of the above mentioned.

 

[cass888]

Oh really? Not even PAP's A team - it was so easy they could even send Lim Swee Say to rescue East Coast. Even if the WP/SPP had rejected their NCMP seats, none of the people you named would have been offered the NCMP seats (walau ... even Goh Meng Seng did better than Tan Jee Say).


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My take is this: TJS together with Jeannette, Nicole, Michelle Lee, Dr Vincent, Dr Leong, Dr Wong, amongst others... will blow beat any PAP or WP team.

WP were lucky to have CSM in the last GE. The rest cannot hope to match up to those of the above mentioned.

 

[wwabbit]

My take is this: TJS together with Jeannette, Nicole, Michelle Lee, Dr Vincent, Dr Leong, Dr Wong, amongst others... will blow beat any PAP or WP team.

WP were lucky to have CSM in the last GE. The rest cannot hope to match up to those of the above mentioned.

If you remember, the WP's weak team sent to Nee Soon GRC and Moulmein-Kallang GRC did better than the SDP's A-team in Holland-Bukit Timah GRC.

Having strong superstar candidates help, but really there's a bigger effect in the Party putting forward a message that the voters can agree with.

 

[Alamaking]

My take is this: TJS together with Jeannette, Nicole, Michelle Lee, Dr Vincent, Dr Leong, Dr Wong, amongst others... will blow beat any PAP or WP team.

WP were lucky to have CSM in the last GE. The rest cannot hope to match up to those of the above mentioned.

Tell them go fight for Ang Mo Kio GRC in the next election lah, kill the head of PAP 1st, LOL

 

[cass888]

Tell them go fight for Ang Mo Kio GRC in the next election lah, kill the head of PAP 1st, LOL

What happens if they get worse results than Alex Tan et al *LOL*

 

[wwabbit]

Excellent summary. Where were you bro while this forum was puttering along for the last 11 years.

Been lurking on and off. I didn't post before because of the moderation and the terrible Signal to Noise Ratio in here, but I've found that there are a few people here who do post insightful and informative stuff not found elsewhere, so I hang around. Just need to mentally filter out most of the cruft in here.

 

[steffychun]

My take is this: TJS together with Jeannette, Nicole, Michelle Lee, Dr Vincent, Dr Leong, Dr Wong, amongst others... will blow beat any PAP or WP team.

WP were lucky to have CSM in the last GE. The rest cannot hope to match up to those of the above mentioned.

What you you mean lucky? CSM is more educateed and have more experience with grassroots than TJS who just so happen to oppose the Casionos this year--where was he in 2005?

Vincent W is a living in a fantasy world--he should join Gopalan Nair in the great un-democratic USA