Someone should sit beside TCB and have a good chat about his "lacklustre" performance especially during media broadcast. Especially after he has indicated that he is still keen to have a piece of the action. Ptader is meeting him and he is doing, others should do as well. I am sending him a note. This is politics, not a charity appeal or a church gathering. His expo ran along the lines of Harvest Church where you see people in wheelchairs on stage to help loosen the purse strings.
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What's with the fucking anti TJS posts?
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Not trying to justify and there is no need to. I am merely pointing out what should be obvious. I've posted this (see below). Cheers.
Ok, maybe it's not so much about you. Some of the justifications were a bit ridiculous. TJS's own justification was the worst.
I think there is an obligation to withdraw if you know that you have no chance, and if you know that withdrawing will help your preferred candidate. By not withdrawing, they (TKL and TJS) either:
1. Think they genuinely had a chance of winning.
2. Preferred TT over TCB to win
3. Using the PE to raise their own profile and don't care about the result
4. Complete blurfuck
I think everyone will have different opinions which one it is.
1. Think they genuinely had a chance of winning.
2. Preferred TT over TCB to win
3. Using the PE to raise their own profile and don't care about the result
4. Complete blurfuck
I think everyone will have different opinions which one it is.
Excellent summary. Where were you bro while this forum was puttering along for the last 11 years.
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TCB's supporters should also look at themselves and ask if they have done enough. It is silly that after the election results are out, TCB's facebook "likes" shot over 20k well over TJS' 13k, while for weeks before the election, even during the campaign week, TCB was consistently behind by the hundreds.
Out of TJS's pool of voters, there was a portion (the "anyone but tony not necessarily pro-tjs" portion) that was swinging between TCB and TJS, and this group was trying to figure out who had a better chance at beating TT. There were no indication to the voters that TCB would achieve such good scores.
TCB lost due to a weak outreach and the lack of any convincing message.
The fact is that TJS's message appealed to 25% of the voters. TCB's message appealed to 10% of the anti-PAP voters. It is the responsibility of the candidates to reach out and convince voters. This is what campaigning is about. But TCB fought too principled a war, as he admitted himself, he refused to touch on certain issues that his team urged him to.
Collectively, TT and TCB garnered 70% of the votes, 10% more than the 60% PAP got in the GE. TCB only managed to convince 10% of the anti-PAP voters. In other words, he managed to shift only 25% from TT. What if less anti-PAP voters had voted for TCB? What would have been the results if TCB only shifted 5% of the opposition support? TT 35%, TCB 30%, TJS 30% - would it still be fair to say TJS should not have participated? What if TCB had managed to shift more votes from TT and less from TJS? TT 34%. TCB 26%, TJS 35%.
We placed a bet, we lost the bet.
Remember that in 1993, JBJ wanted to run but was disqualified. It could have been a 3 way fight then too. JBJ if allowed to run would have been publicised as a very confrontational figure too. The fact is over the years singaporeans have been domesticated and lost their fighting spirits, so much so that they expect change but do not expect policies to be challenged.
Now, don't even get into whether TJS is a suitable candidate. He probably has his own motives. But so does TCB, TT, or TKL. Politicians all have their motives, be it for the money, ego, fame or power (including power to hide one's own wrongdoings). But he is definitely more popular than TKL. If anyone should have withdrawn, it should have been TKL.
Voters should stop blaming alternative politicians in any election aftermath. Hindsight is always 20/20. Don't criticise unless you are willing to stand up for election yourself. It is easy to leave the fighting to others and then try to be a commentator and basher afterwards (exceptions apply - stubborn GMS and TKL really deserve the bashings).
Out of TJS's pool of voters, there was a portion (the "anyone but tony not necessarily pro-tjs" portion) that was swinging between TCB and TJS, and this group was trying to figure out who had a better chance at beating TT. There were no indication to the voters that TCB would achieve such good scores.
TCB lost due to a weak outreach and the lack of any convincing message.
The fact is that TJS's message appealed to 25% of the voters. TCB's message appealed to 10% of the anti-PAP voters. It is the responsibility of the candidates to reach out and convince voters. This is what campaigning is about. But TCB fought too principled a war, as he admitted himself, he refused to touch on certain issues that his team urged him to.
Collectively, TT and TCB garnered 70% of the votes, 10% more than the 60% PAP got in the GE. TCB only managed to convince 10% of the anti-PAP voters. In other words, he managed to shift only 25% from TT. What if less anti-PAP voters had voted for TCB? What would have been the results if TCB only shifted 5% of the opposition support? TT 35%, TCB 30%, TJS 30% - would it still be fair to say TJS should not have participated? What if TCB had managed to shift more votes from TT and less from TJS? TT 34%. TCB 26%, TJS 35%.
We placed a bet, we lost the bet.
Remember that in 1993, JBJ wanted to run but was disqualified. It could have been a 3 way fight then too. JBJ if allowed to run would have been publicised as a very confrontational figure too. The fact is over the years singaporeans have been domesticated and lost their fighting spirits, so much so that they expect change but do not expect policies to be challenged.
Now, don't even get into whether TJS is a suitable candidate. He probably has his own motives. But so does TCB, TT, or TKL. Politicians all have their motives, be it for the money, ego, fame or power (including power to hide one's own wrongdoings). But he is definitely more popular than TKL. If anyone should have withdrawn, it should have been TKL.
Voters should stop blaming alternative politicians in any election aftermath. Hindsight is always 20/20. Don't criticise unless you are willing to stand up for election yourself. It is easy to leave the fighting to others and then try to be a commentator and basher afterwards (exceptions apply - stubborn GMS and TKL really deserve the bashings).
You are so right... this is a point which TCB an MP of many years understood, which TJS did not.
I viewed many different interview clips in yahoo, TOC and none of them give me the TJS is hot-headed.
But as you rightly pointed out, many of my colleagues feel that way. Many felt that his 25% support came from SDP... but i think it is likely to be a mixed of SDP and WP.
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I think CB would make an an excellent "unifying" President which is what I think Singapore needs. Definitely better than TJS or Phony for that matter. As an "executive" President to check on the Government, maybe "average to good" but not excellent.
But if you look at his campaign, he did come across as what Alex Au put bluntly, "standing for nothing". He appeared to lack vibrancy and drive. Maybe he was just tired.
I will say I am disappointed and it pains me that he did not make it. But the opportunity was too good a chance to pass up. Hence, I can't say I regret it.
At the very least, it sends a message to the opposition that theirs is not a lost cause. More importantly, it sends a message to those currently waiting in the wings that joining the opposition is not a lost cause and a waste of time. If TJS had secured 5%, I think you will see those waiting in the wings stepping back because not many are prepared to slog it out without any hope of succeeding.
Bro, now that I've answered your question, will you and everyone reading this thread please do me a favour?
Please stand up, strike your clenched fist against your heart, hold it there and let's solemnly pledge to bear true faith and allegiance to President Tony, our 35% President.
You are forgetting that by trying to reach out to more centrist-left people, he risks alienating the centrist-right, and there are more centrist-right than centrist-left. In an election, you can't take every possible position and hope to get voters from all positions. In this case TCB is taking the centrist position which was worth about 40% of the votes... he was really competing against the other centrist candidate that took 5% out of that 40%.
to me TCB's peformance during the 9 day period was tepid...but i must say his 2nd broadcast on fri night did bring back some allure, including his reference to his wife...made me reflect again on whether to change tack once again n vote for him as was my original intention prior to the 9 day period...unfortunately my gut instinct overruled as i still tot TT wld win quite easily(not 50plus% but at least high 40plus%) so went wif the 'heart' instead...
appreciate the reply bro...
however what i take fm this PE is perhaps closer to what Brandon n Locke n hv written...the only way fwd for real political change is for a split to come fm wifin PAP/elite establishment itself...n for this split camp to take a centrist stance...
as for TT...well at least he cant claim to be the people's president...oh n am i still waiting for mindef to tell us whether any of the other 80plus ns men granted ns deferment to study medicine overseas prior to 92' fell into the same category as Patrick i.e. 12 yrs for md/phd
however what i take fm this PE is perhaps closer to what Brandon n Locke n hv written...the only way fwd for real political change is for a split to come fm wifin PAP/elite establishment itself...n for this split camp to take a centrist stance...
as for TT...well at least he cant claim to be the people's president...oh n am i still waiting for mindef to tell us whether any of the other 80plus ns men granted ns deferment to study medicine overseas prior to 92' fell into the same category as Patrick i.e. 12 yrs for md/phd
I was disappointed because I know this guy is like a terrier over issues. Unfortunately he could not break down the issue well for the common man. He made a comment about asking the govt to move out of the Istana but to the man on the street, the penny never did fall. To those who are politically acute, it was a massive body blow to Old man and to the cardinals. Even the PAP grassroots did not catch it.
He also seemed peeved over comments made by TJS and TKL during the two sessions. He should run with his own agenda and where tactically wise he should take on the rest. Look at the way TJS rubbished him. This is despite being acquaintences over 20 years. Too kind.
My saving grace was that I knew that he had substantial ground support. Nevertheless the temptation was there.
He also seemed peeved over comments made by TJS and TKL during the two sessions. He should run with his own agenda and where tactically wise he should take on the rest. Look at the way TJS rubbished him. This is despite being acquaintences over 20 years. Too kind.
My saving grace was that I knew that he had substantial ground support. Nevertheless the temptation was there.
TCB could have crossed the bar if he had better communication skills and a more focused platform. His campaign suffered from his rather laid-back approach, but the detriment was mitigated by the lacklustre performance of his adversaries.
u can say whatever u like whether u are just simply dumb or act dumb. u have just simply shown that u are a sore loser who just can't accept defeat and go around blaming others.
You are a moron who dun see the whole picture.
Exactly. TJS was SDP led and CSJ number 2 from the start. in the GE, people already rejected SDP.
Most likely scenario, good analysis SNAblog
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If TJS didnt contest, the debate would be more civil and lest SDP focused inthe social media world. TCB would get the high slim margin if TJS didnt abandon his friends TKL and TCB and enter the race on a SDP side.
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