These guys are however great for chess. Really hard to beat them. You can see them think literally.
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What the SDP Means to Me – Jeremy Chen
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Tell that to the maths geek who became our PM.
at least the maths geek got lame humour which commoner can understand.
the jeremy chen guy can only laugh at his own why 1+1!=3 joke
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Like I say before I like to give good advice to the SDP so you motherfuckers out there better listen up.
Since you guys like to read a lot I quote you the dictum of Marshall McLuhan, the medium is the message. Translated into Singlish, let me ask you, you put up this article for fuck?
Any politician knows - you don't do anything unless you (yes you, yellowarse - are you Jeremy?) want to serve a purpose. What is that purpose?
1. Promote the SDP.
2. Stimulate discussion
3. Promote Jeremy Chen
It doesn't seem as though any of these purposes are adequately served by that posting.
Is this a statement of the SDP manifesto? Just show us the manifesto.
Is this a promotion of Jeremy Chen star power? I don't see anything of substance being mentioned here. If I want to listen to airy fairy shit with no substance I'd rather turn on the TV and listen to Lim Swee Say.
Is this for discussion? Well not that the political section of sammyboy is not an academic forum but when you speak for a party you are doing advertising
The thing about these ideas about the govt not being able to provide for the wellbeing of the citizens, it is true but everybody knows that, there is no substance. It is very disturbing when people are only able to give you a few fucking motherhood statements that anybody else can say, it sounds as though you are out of ideas. We want the specifics.
When I was younger, I played a computer game where a character said, "OK, here's what I want from you:
1. Tell me how you're going to save the world.
2. Save the world
3. Get out of my house."
So let's start with step 1. I don't care that you're going to save the world. Just tell us how you're going to do it. Maybe if you say things like "we have the best housing plan in Singapore" or "we have the best health plan in Singapore" it's more useful. Or "here's what we're going to do that the PAP doesn't do" is also good. Talking about abstract principles is worse than useless because hey we know that Dubya invaded Iraq for "freedom" yah?
Like I'll give you a template and then you can fill it up and see what you got, OK? "I don't like the PAP's idea of ______________ because ____________ and instead I would suggest that we do _____________ so that _______________."
Or "here's pictures of us knocking on doors, getting down with da hood, kissing babies and loving our people".
Can you wake up your fucking idea? If you can't open your mouth in sammyboy without getting shot down what's going to happen when you get into parliament?
Like many of you I like to pak chwee cheng with my mental abilities but unlike you I recognise that joining a political party is not necessary to do this.
Since you guys like to read a lot I quote you the dictum of Marshall McLuhan, the medium is the message. Translated into Singlish, let me ask you, you put up this article for fuck?
Any politician knows - you don't do anything unless you (yes you, yellowarse - are you Jeremy?) want to serve a purpose. What is that purpose?
1. Promote the SDP.
2. Stimulate discussion
3. Promote Jeremy Chen
It doesn't seem as though any of these purposes are adequately served by that posting.
Is this a statement of the SDP manifesto? Just show us the manifesto.
Is this a promotion of Jeremy Chen star power? I don't see anything of substance being mentioned here. If I want to listen to airy fairy shit with no substance I'd rather turn on the TV and listen to Lim Swee Say.
Is this for discussion? Well not that the political section of sammyboy is not an academic forum but when you speak for a party you are doing advertising
The thing about these ideas about the govt not being able to provide for the wellbeing of the citizens, it is true but everybody knows that, there is no substance. It is very disturbing when people are only able to give you a few fucking motherhood statements that anybody else can say, it sounds as though you are out of ideas. We want the specifics.
When I was younger, I played a computer game where a character said, "OK, here's what I want from you:
1. Tell me how you're going to save the world.
2. Save the world
3. Get out of my house."
So let's start with step 1. I don't care that you're going to save the world. Just tell us how you're going to do it. Maybe if you say things like "we have the best housing plan in Singapore" or "we have the best health plan in Singapore" it's more useful. Or "here's what we're going to do that the PAP doesn't do" is also good. Talking about abstract principles is worse than useless because hey we know that Dubya invaded Iraq for "freedom" yah?
Like I'll give you a template and then you can fill it up and see what you got, OK? "I don't like the PAP's idea of ______________ because ____________ and instead I would suggest that we do _____________ so that _______________."
Or "here's pictures of us knocking on doors, getting down with da hood, kissing babies and loving our people".
Can you wake up your fucking idea? If you can't open your mouth in sammyboy without getting shot down what's going to happen when you get into parliament?
Like many of you I like to pak chwee cheng with my mental abilities but unlike you I recognise that joining a political party is not necessary to do this.
You must have seen what happened to arrogant fuckers like Scroobal, so kindly tone down on the insults and vulgarities.
I am neither a member or supporter of SDP, in fact I don't know who Jeremy Chen is and did not even read his articles.
Your views on anything including political parties, their members and aspiring members are most welcome, but this high handed behaviour of throwing your weight around and acting like your nickname and views are scared and infallible reminds me of Scroobal.
I quite enjoy reading your other posts, so let's just stick to the topics, issues and discussions, ok?
I think you're a little too sensitive. Sometimes I even wonder if you're too sensitive about Scroobal.
This is an internet forum. Nothing much is sacred. I don't take my views to be sacred. Yes, I think about what I write, but a lot of people also do that. Sometimes you have to defend your point of view - that is part and parcel of any kind of debate. If it comes across as driving too hard you can always close your browser.
I wasn't even criticising Jeremy Chen. My main point was that yellowarse, in choosing that particular article to highlight SDP in this place, wasn't being very wise. People have criticised SDP for other things and I'm just being precise about it - because after all they're about to come upon a critical juncture that will determine their future.
This is an internet forum. Nothing much is sacred. I don't take my views to be sacred. Yes, I think about what I write, but a lot of people also do that. Sometimes you have to defend your point of view - that is part and parcel of any kind of debate. If it comes across as driving too hard you can always close your browser.
I wasn't even criticising Jeremy Chen. My main point was that yellowarse, in choosing that particular article to highlight SDP in this place, wasn't being very wise. People have criticised SDP for other things and I'm just being precise about it - because after all they're about to come upon a critical juncture that will determine their future.
You don't get it, there is no problem with you or anyone else criticising Jeremy Chen or SDP.
It's the condescending know-it-all, arrogant, pompous, infallible, put-everybody-else-down attitude and behaviour that is irritating.
I now have very little tolerance for those who behave like Scroobal. You have proven yourself with post #22 to be trying to emulate him.
And if you didn't know this, the reason I have very little tolerance for Scroobal is because his behaviour is very similar to oldfart.
Yeh? I thought that you had a problem with him because he was cunning, manipulative play the two sides two faced snake.
Personally I don't have problems with arrogant pompous infallible put everybody else down behaviour. I recognise that Goh Meng Seng, when not driving the National Socialist - whoops I mean National Solidarity Party down into the ground exists for the sake of providing me with great comic entertainment. When you are here, and you are here longer than me, you ought to know that this place is inhabited by all manners of immature clowns and fools who do occasionally have extremely interesting political news to share for our benefit. Why would anybody read Dostoevsky when they can read sammy boy?
Coming up with shit that isn't obvious and isn't endlessly repetitive, on the other hand is hard work. HARD WORK. On top of that, trying to appear humble and not piss people off - is too much for me. So sorry hor. If people aren't getting carried away with their ideas those ideas are not worth getting carried away with in the first place. As a person who has read many many books I can tell you that almost all knowledge comes from pompous twats and if you can't stand pompous twats life is very sad.
In fact I don't even mind old fart that much. You take the good with the bad. Maybe it's because I come of age when he's about to loosen up the system and never got my tits squeezed hard by him. I usually ask of a person: did he do good for the country? Yes, even though he took all the credit that was due to people like Goh Keng Sweet. Then secondarily I ask "was he a dictator?" Yeh well...
Personally I don't have problems with arrogant pompous infallible put everybody else down behaviour. I recognise that Goh Meng Seng, when not driving the National Socialist - whoops I mean National Solidarity Party down into the ground exists for the sake of providing me with great comic entertainment. When you are here, and you are here longer than me, you ought to know that this place is inhabited by all manners of immature clowns and fools who do occasionally have extremely interesting political news to share for our benefit. Why would anybody read Dostoevsky when they can read sammy boy?
Coming up with shit that isn't obvious and isn't endlessly repetitive, on the other hand is hard work. HARD WORK. On top of that, trying to appear humble and not piss people off - is too much for me. So sorry hor. If people aren't getting carried away with their ideas those ideas are not worth getting carried away with in the first place. As a person who has read many many books I can tell you that almost all knowledge comes from pompous twats and if you can't stand pompous twats life is very sad.
In fact I don't even mind old fart that much. You take the good with the bad. Maybe it's because I come of age when he's about to loosen up the system and never got my tits squeezed hard by him. I usually ask of a person: did he do good for the country? Yes, even though he took all the credit that was due to people like Goh Keng Sweet. Then secondarily I ask "was he a dictator?" Yeh well...
It should be post#23 not 22, now that a moderated post just got through.
I have a problem with him because he is cunning and manipulative too. It all adds up, you see.
And your other 2 points above are noted.
Forgot to add this, those guys who are just rude and obnoxious all the time are more acceptable to me than the likes of him.
At least they have the guts to be assholes all the time and don't need to be liked and admired and popular. Something like N Koreans.
What is fucking disgusting about Scroobal is how he behaves to those who disagree with him or those he ascertains are not with him, and on the other hand tries to be Mr Popular among all the others who agree with him and go along with him. Something like Sinkies inherited or acquired behaviour from oldfart.
His quest for his internet moniker to be sacred and infallible and "credible" is bewildering, considering he claims he is doing this because the government is not honest with the people. Sounds like he is doing it more for himself and his ego.
In any case, I'll be watching for more posts like #23. So be prepared for "abrasive rebuttals" if there are more of those kind.
And hopefully look forward to enjoying reading the other types of posts too.
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Who the fuck is this paulhong guy and how did he manage to get 150 points over the last 5 mins?
Another characteristic of Sinkie behaviour is what I call the "suck up and piss down" syndrome. Old Fart sucked up to the British and they helped him with Operation Cold Store, then he pissed down on those who voted for him. Of course, these two things can be done simultaneously, something that one often sees in Sinkie office politics.
And the sucking up and pissing down can alternate at different times and to different people.
Can be summarised as being "manipulative".
The bottom line is that for people who do this, it's not about the issues or the principles.
It's all about themselves and in most cases, their dearest family members.
The people whom they suck up to or piss down on, are merely pawns.
I don't know what Jeremy did in the past to get your goat and invite so much vitriol, but the fact that the opening post drew such a vehement response means that it has to some degree lived up to the the cut-and-thrust nature of an online forum.
I appreciate jw5's efforts to clean up this forum, but I have much less faith than he in the civility of anonymous internet monikers, so I ain't gonna lose much sleep over this.
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I'm not trying to clean up the forum or have any illusions about doing anything. The forum is neither my problem nor my responsibility.
Just want to whack back those who spew vitriol for no apparent purpose or justification.
They use bitchy "abrasive" words in this forum, they will get back more "abrasive" words.
They dare to try and bring it to real life, they will get a shock in real life.
Yellowarse,
Unfortunately this time I am forced to agree with you. Metal mickey's post was filled with so much venom I thought Jeremy must have royally stepped on his toe big time.
Then it turned out his vitriol was directed at you instead. That is an about turn I find puzzling.
In any case what was posted was not Jeremy's official political manifesto by any stretch of the imagination so I don't see a need for an overwhelming negative reaction. It seems rather disproportionate.
Methinks they've crossed swords before on Jeremy's blog. And he thinks I'm Jeremy. That would explain it nicely.
That is the impression I got too since he has been tracking the blog for 10 years.
Jeremy needs to translate his mathematical formulas into concrete policy and work on communicating to wider audience. Otherwise the only people who will understand him are vamjok and aurvandil
Well it seems as though what I wrote was seen as abusive. Personally I was annoyed that some people who purportedly are pro-SDP put up something that invites Jeremy to get whacked (as you saw in the earlier postings). But then it seems like I'm abusive now. No I don't mean to be abusive. But if you're reading abusive, then too fucking bad.
Cut and thrust is for the anonymous people. If you want to put party propaganda up, you better be sure that it presents the party in a good light. Cut and thrust - well you basically put up an effigy of Jeremy to get whacked, and if they didn't start whacking me instead they'd still be whacking him. Please take note - people are not talking about his ideas here. Not by a long shot.
Whacking somebody anonymous is pretty harmless.
How do you know I'm not Jeremy?
How do I know you're not Jeremy?
How do you know I had a quarrel with him on convexset? (Well mentioning what I saw on convexset was bad enough so I didn't mention that I saw a quarrel that I certainly hope has been deleted since then.)
How do you know I'm not the SDP webmaster?
Actually I've never crossed swords with him other than 1 or 2 comments on his blog that don't count as crossing swords. But you don't have to believe me! At the same time, you posted up an article which resulted in him being portrayed as out of touch, you mention that argument on convexset - I'm wondering if you're the one who has a real problem with him.
Maybe I should stop using the f word because it seems as though people only read one word in that entire post. Let's forget everything else I said about how to promote a political party, OK? And let's pretend that this is all about personal grievances.
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Yeh, so says he who's written thousands of abrasive posts on scroobal.
Also, hypocritical behaviour is also bad, yah?
It's totally logical, see? People like scroobal are conceited egoists who look down on their noses at the rest of the forum. Therefore you need people like JW5 and kukubird58 to hang on his every word and build a shrine in his honour.
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Try "Crime and Punishment". "The Devils" is political but can be a little confusing. "Brothers Karamazov" takes a long time and I didn't read it.
You will find in his novels a lot of crazy people who are like the guys in this forum.
If you want to read about convex optimization - it is not totally useless, mind you - check this out:
http://www.ee.ucla.edu/~vandenbe/cvxbook.html
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