What do you think of Japan's militarization plans?

[maozedong]

How could anybody be so naive to believe that Japan today does not have a proper military?

The Japanese navy today is the most powerful navy in Asia. Its warships the most modern.
Of course, they would say these ships belong to the coast guards or marine police.

All war criminals executed? The biggest war criminal, the Emperor, is still living the high life in the palace. And there are probably many others alive today. The Jews became very powerful after WWII and they really went searching around the globe for former Nazis in hiding. The Chinese didn't do this.

Should Japan be allowed to change its constitution in order to allow itself to take a more aggressive stance towards self defence?

Have they been punished enough for WWII?

- Not allowed to have nuclear weapons
- Only country in the world to have been bombed by nukes (not once but twice)
- Millions died
- All war criminals executed
- Not allowed to have a proper military, only Self-Defence Forces, since 1945

What are your views?

 

[eatshitndie]

All war criminals executed? The biggest war criminal, the Emperor, is still living the high life in the palace.

hirohito is dead. the current emperor has nothing to do with his father's war crimes.

 

[Tuayapeh]

hirohito is dead. the current emperor has nothing to do with his father's war crimes.

Wise , but alot of people especially the Chinese still think that all generation should be blame and condemn which is very unfair .

 

[maozedong]

That's the most stupid argument which the Ang Mohs like to use whenever the topic of China pops up.
Even in discussion on Diaoyu Island, the Ang Mohs would side with the Japanese saying "hey, don't forget that Mao killed millions of Chinese" . Now, what's that got to do with the Japanese killing millions of Chinese in WWII? Would that mitigate their sins?


Mao killing millions of his own people is an internal matter. The Chinese will eventually deal with it.
Killing millions of other countries' people is another matter.

Look at china , have the PRC forgotten how their beloved Mao zhe dong kill their own ppl ?

 

[maozedong]

okay, my bad. but hirohito wasn't executed. didn't he live to a ripe old age?

was trying to rebut the poster's point that "all war criminals executed"

hirohito is dead. the current emperor has nothing to do with his father's war crimes.

 

[Tuayapeh]

That's the most stupid argument which the Ang Mohs like to use whenever the topic of China pops up.
Even in discussion on Diaoyu Island, the Ang Mohs would side with the Japanese saying "hey, don't forget that Mao killed millions of Chinese" . Now, what's that got to do with the Japanese killing millions of Chinese in WWII? Would that mitigate their sins?


Mao killing millions of his own people is an internal matter. The Chinese will eventually deal with it.
Killing millions of other countries' people is another matter.

The Chinese will deal with Mao ? Oh yes , by worshipping him ? It does not matter if Mao killing millions of his own people is an internal matter , the fact is he did kill . You mean it's ok to kill its own people ? Killing your own people is worst !!! And worshipping him after that is even worst .

 

[maozedong]

That isn't true. Very few Chinese today are blaming the current generation for their grandparents' sins.

But there exists in Japan today a very strong right wing who does not think Japan did any wrong in WWII and worst, think of China as an enemy to be destroyed.

Imagine if the Chancellor of Germany going to a war shrine in Germany honoring war criminals like Hilter, Mengele, etc., every year. Surely, the West would raise hue and cry, and the Chancellor would probably have to resign. Now, why does the West turn the blind eye to Japanese Prime Ministers paying respect to the Yasukuni War Shrine (which honors Class A war criminals like wartime PM Hideki Tojo, etc.).

Why can't the Japanese show the same remorse and repentance like the Germans?

Wise , but alot of people especially the Chinese still think that all generation should be blame and condemn which is very unfair .

 

[Bigfuck]

How could anybody be so naive to believe that Japan today does not have a proper military?

The Japanese navy today is the most powerful navy in Asia. Its warships the most modern.
Of course, they would say these ships belong to the coast guards or marine police.

All war criminals executed? The biggest war criminal, the Emperor, is still living the high life in the palace. And there are probably many others alive today. The Jews became very powerful after WWII and they really went searching around the globe for former Nazis in hiding. The Chinese didn't do this.

"Abe was born into a political family of significance. His grandfather, Kan Abe, and father, Shintaro Abe, were both politicians. Abe's mother, Yoko Kishi,[10] is the daughter of Nobusuke Kishi, prime minister of Japan from 1957 to 1960. Kishi had been a member of the Tōjō Cabinet during the Second World War. Since GHQ's policy changed and became more anti-communist, Kishi was released from Sugamo Prison, and later established the Japan Democratic Party. In 1950 Shigeru Yoshida's Liberal Party and Kishi's Democratic Party merged as an anti-leftist coalition and became the Liberal Democratic Party of today." Most of the real class A criminals converted to civilian administrative positions before the war ended to escape court martial. So these real criminals lived on and their children and grandchildren continued the Meiji Restoration Imperialist tradition. It is imperative that Class A criminals (the ones made to take the rap for the real baddies) must be exonerated or the blood of the bad ones will be at risk. Militarization is because Japan is really a nuclear wasteland from the North and by spreading radioactive material across the country, it is hoped that everyone feels the sense of crisis and militarization can provide the basis for mobilization to do whatever is necessary or whatever the nutcases on top are masturbating about. The imperialists should blame themselves because plutonium was used in many plants like fukushima not because it is necessary but to make fuel for nuclear weapons. Right now, if you were to study the news reporting by the Japanese mainstream media, you will know they are becoming hawkish, belittling my Asian countries stirring up anti-chinese sentiments and portraying how asia loves Japan and all things Japanese. This kind of nonsense can continue because all current major media agencies still practice propaganda dissemination since the war. Nothing has changed. In fact even their largest advertisement agency has a war propaganda past. The joke is in this century, there is too much different sources of information around that pure blatant lies can never stand up. Japan's propaganda instruments only know how to lie like 1984.

 

[maozedong]

If you think the Chinese are still worshiping Mao, you are totally clueless.
Even the official CCP assessment of Mao today is "he did some great things, but made some grave mistakes".

You are not being logical. Yes, it is NOT Okay to kill your own people.

But would you prefer living next to a country which kills its own people or one which kills people in its neighboring countries (including people in your country)?

Mao killed millions of his own people. The Japanese killed millions of people in other countries.
So which country would make a better neighbor?

Do you understand the difference? If you don't, let's end this discussion.

The Chinese will deal with Mao ? Oh yes , by worshipping him ? It does not matter if Mao killing millions of his own people is an internal matter , the fact is he did kill . You mean it's ok to kill its own people ? Killing your own people is worst !!! And worshipping him after that is even worst .

 

[Tuayapeh]

That isn't true. Very few Chinese today are blaming the current generation for their grandparents' sins.

But there exists in Japan today a very strong right wing who does not think Japan did any wrong in WWII and worst, think of China as an enemy to be destroyed.

Imagine if the Chancellor of Germany going to a war shrine in Germany honoring war criminals like Hilter, Mengele, etc., every year. Surely, the West would raise hue and cry, and the Chancellor would probably have to resign. Now, why does the West turn the blind eye to Japanese Prime Ministers paying respect to the Yasukuni War Shrine (which honors Class A war criminals like wartime PM Hideki Tojo, etc.).

Why can't the Japanese show the same remorse and repentance like the Germans?

For your information , Yasukuni shrine did not only buried war criminals .The shrine is not only for soldiers but for anyone who died on behalf of the Emperor of Japan . there are relief workers, factory workers, citizens and those not of Japanese ethnicity such as Taiwanese and Koreans who served Japan. So what's wrong with paying respect to them ? By the way many current generation of Japanese also ashamed of the evil deed which their country had cause during war time .

This is the list of war apology statements issued by the state of Japan in regards to war crimes and atrocities committed by the Empire of Japan during World War II . http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

 

[Television]

We got to let go of the past and see the majority of Japanese by who they are today. Japanese guys today are more into panties sniffing then going to war for their Emperor. If you look at their nationalist, they tend to be old farts still stuck in the 1940s and 50s

 

[Tuayapeh]

If you think the Chinese are still worshiping Mao, you are totally clueless.
Even the official CCP assessment of Mao today is "he did some great things, but made some grave mistakes".

You are not being logical. Yes, it is NOT Okay to kill your own people.

But would you prefer living next to a country which kills its own people or one which kills people in its neighboring countries (including people in your country)?

Mao killed millions of his own people. The Japanese killed millions of people in other countries.
So which country would make a better neighbor?

Do you understand the difference? If you don't, let's end this discussion.

If you go china , you can see tons of Mao picture on souvenir selling in tourist area . Did Germany use hitler photo for their souvenir product ?

I rather my country kill other nation ppl then its own ppl .

 

[Tuayapeh]

We got to let go of the past and see the majority of Japanese by who they are today. Japanese guys today are more into panties sniffing then going to war for their Emperor. If you look at their nationalist, they tend to be old farts still stuck in the 1940s and 50s

Panties sniffing ? You have watched too much porn . It's not wise to sterotype .

 

[maozedong]

Re: This Is The Only Thing Left

Do you know history at all?

The Koreans hate the Japanese 100 time more than they hate the Chinese.
Very few Koreans would buy Japanese cars or products. Why do the Koreans hate the Japs so much? Read up history.

You think the Americans are the good guys? In international affairs, it's all about self interests.

America does not want a strong China, and is now doing everything to contain China.
Now, if you think a world with America as the sole superpower is a good thing, you are mistaken. Go ask the millions of innocent civilians killed by USA in the past 20 years.

You think the Iraq war is about spreading democracy? It's about Oil and more. It's actually about protecting the Petrodollar system - i.e., preserving the status of the US dollar as the currency for the Oil trade - so that every country in the world has to accept the US dollar because almost everybody needs to buy oil. Saddam Hussein had wanted to trade his oil in Euros, and that's why USA had to get rid of him. And Gaddafi didn't learn the lesson. Gaddafi wanted to trade his oil in GOLD (worst!)- and probably at the urging of the USA, the France put a stop to Gaddafi's life. Now, unlike Saddam, Gaddafi had been quite tame before his end. Why the sudden downfall? Did you bother to ask? And now, the US is in Syria and soon Iran. Again, Iran had also wanted to start a oil trading system based on Gold - and the US now has to change regime in Iran. But this time, it is going to be trickier - because Russia and China are on Iran's side - but the US military is still the biggest in the world - and the US will still eventually attack Iran.

And why is the US so desperate to protect the US dollar oil trade? Because since 1970, the US dollar is not backed by gold anymore. That is, it is a pure fiat currency, and the US can print any amount of dollars it likes and nobody can reject its currency - like Zimbawee - because everybody needs US dollars to buy the most important commodity in modern time - Oil. Now, what is the effect of US printing all these trillions of dollars since 2008? High inflation all over the world. High property prices in Singapore is caused mainly by the monetary policies of the USA - ZIRP and QE's. The super rich (those with plenty of real assets) gets richer and the poor gets poorer. Those who have only one property and think they've become rich because their property has appreciated in value are silly.

America needs an counter force (like the former USSR). For the good of the world, China needs to rise up against America.

Some people predict that the world will be divided into two in the future: the West with USA as leader, and the East with China as leader. But I think it could be a repeat of the Three Kingdoms of ancient China - the US dominated West, the China-dominated Asia, and the Russia-dominated Eurasia.

Read http://www.crisishq.com/why-prepare/world-war-3-preserving-petrodollar/



<<Japan need to foster a concerted effort with the South Korean Navy and the US Navy to keep a right military balance in the Pacific.>>

I personally think that destroyers are the only big thing left for a big country like Japan. Japan cannot own an aircraft carrier. It has a long coastline to protect against the commies aggression from PRC as well as DPRK.

Japan need to foster a concerted effort with the South Korean Navy and the US Navy to keep a right military balance in the Pacific.

 

[winnipegjets]

Yes. We need another war between the Chinese and Japanese.

 

[maozedong]

Your wrote: "I rather my country kill other nation ppl then its own ppl . "

Of course, so would I because I don't want to die - BUT that's NOT the question put to you!

We are talking about another country - would you prefer another country to kill its own people or to kill you?

Would you prefer living near a country which kills its own or to one which kills people in your country? Which is a "good" country and which is a "bad" country"? (Good and bad from your own interest - because in reality both are bad - but we are talking about self interest here).

China didn't kill your ancestors. Japan did - many Singapore CIVILIANS were executed in cold blood by the Japs during the Japanese occupation of Singapore. Please get this fact clear!

Only an idiot would include Mao's killing his people in a discussion on Japanese war atrocities.


Hitler killed millions of other country's people. He is taboo. Even if the Germans had wanted to sell Hitler souvenir, other countries would not allow it.

As for the Chinese selling Mao's souvenir. That's just commercialization. Don't read too much into it. Also, like I said, eventually, the Chinese will see Mao for what he was - a brutal dictator.

If you go china , you can see tons of Mao picture on souvenir selling in tourist area . Did Germany use hitler photo for their souvenir product ?

I rather my country kill other nation ppl then its own ppl .

 

[steffychun]

Maybe Tom Clancy's Debt of Honor will come true

 

[steffychun]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21303886

Stalingard

 

[AndroAsc]

Militarization of Japan should be done ASAP. We need them to contain China!!!

 

[AndroAsc]

Re: This Is The Only Thing Left

Do you know history at all?

The Koreans hate the Japanese 100 time more than they hate the Chinese.
Very few Koreans would buy Japanese cars or products. Why do the Koreans hate the Japs so much? Read up history.

You think the Americans are the good guys? In international affairs, it's all about self interests.

America does not want a strong China, and is now doing everything to contain China.
Now, if you think a world with America as the sole superpower is a good thing, you are mistaken. Go ask the millions of innocent civilians killed by USA in the past 20 years.

You think the Iraq war is about spreading democracy? It's about Oil and more. It's actually about protecting the Petrodollar system - i.e., preserving the status of the US dollar as the currency for the Oil trade - so that every country in the world has to accept the US dollar because almost everybody needs to buy oil. Saddam Hussein had wanted to trade his oil in Euros, and that's why USA had to get rid of him. And Gaddafi didn't learn the lesson. Gaddafi wanted to trade his oil in GOLD (worst!)- and probably at the urging of the USA, the France put a stop to Gaddafi's life. Now, unlike Saddam, Gaddafi had been quite tame before his end. Why the sudden downfall? Did you bother to ask? And now, the US is in Syria and soon Iran. Again, Iran had also wanted to start a oil trading system based on Gold - and the US now has to change regime in Iran. But this time, it is going to be trickier - because Russia and China are on Iran's side - but the US military is still the biggest in the world - and the US will still eventually attack Iran.

And why is the US so desperate to protect the US dollar oil trade? Because since 1970, the US dollar is not backed by gold anymore. That is, it is a pure fiat currency, and the US can print any amount of dollars it likes and nobody can reject its currency - like Zimbawee. Now, what is the effect of US printing all these trillions of dollars since 2008? High inflation all over the world. High property prices in Singapore is caused mainly by the monetary policies of the USA - ZIRP and QE's. The super rich (those with plenty of real assets) gets richer and the poor gets poorer. Those who have only one property and think they've become rich because their property has appreciated in value are silly.

America needs an counter force (like the former USSR). For the good of the world, China needs to rise up against America.

Some people predict that the world will be divided into two in the future: the West with USA as leader, and the East with China as leader. But I think it could be a repeat of the Three Kingdoms of ancient China - the US dominated West, the China-dominated Asia, and the Russia-dominated Eurasia.

Read http://www.crisishq.com/why-prepare/world-war-3-preserving-petrodollar/

<<Japan need to foster a concerted effort with the South Korean Navy and the US Navy to keep a right military balance in the Pacific.>>

Screw you. What makes you thinks a world ruled by China will be better than America? I'm not saying the Americans are saints, but America >>> China, when it comes to treating others with respect (except when it comes to oil). China is made up by a bunch of xenophobic racist people. If they had it their way, they would exterminate every other race on the planet, even those "unpure" Chinese like Singaporean Chinese. They are no different than the Nazis of WW2 Germany... In fact, I think they are worse!!!