We demand more masks

[batman1]

Masks are expensive . If u don't wear a mask and u got infected ,u die is your business. U DIE IS YOUR BUSINESS !!!

 

[CPTMiller]

I have shown more empathy than anyone else in this forum. While others are just trying to protect their own interests I have been trying to put out the message that the ridiculous and unnecessary measures to contain the virus are doing more harm than good to the majority of people.

I am in contact with a couple of people in Europe who have family members with the virus and they are doing fine and on the road to recovery. Symptoms were minor despite the fact that one was 67 years old.

On the other hand I have first hand knowledge of almost a dozen of my friends or colleagues that have had their income wiped out from cancelled events plus those who were supposed to pay them have not done so because they're claiming they have no money and this is in NZ where there have been less than 10 cases.

If schools are closed they will be even worse off because then they either have to pay caregivers to look after the children so they can go to work or they'll have to stop going to work. Not everybody in the world has a live in maid to take care of things.

So to those who demand action from their government to shut down the whole country spare a thought for others who aren't as fortunate as you are and need the economy to carry on ticking over in a normal manner as possible so they can put food on the table for their precious children.

I have to agreed with Leongsam what is mention is correct.
If PAP shutting down business and school or whatever will stop the economy and business failed and people jobless no income.
PAP priority for the country economy gdp

 

[hofmann]

I have given up on getting masks for myself, though I am still hunting high and low for disposable surgical masks for young children. Just want to make sure my daughter is adequately protected.

Less than 2% of infected cases in China were under 19 years old. Children seem to have no response to the virus just like Hep-A.

So on the contrary you should protect yourself first rather than your daughter.

But I understand these are irrational times so heck, do as you please.

 

[hofmann]

How do you define "temporary"? I have already stated elsewhere that 2 weeks would be tolerable but in my opinion more symbolic than useful. If you shut down for 2 months a lot of businesses are going under. I know this because I am seeing it happen with my own eyes. The only thing that would save them would be rent free premises for the period of the shut down, employees willing to work for next to nothing, suspension of power bills, tax bills etc.

If you have not run a business you won't know just how difficult it is to meet all the overheads, keep creditors happy while making sure your debtors pay you on time. When things go downhill the first thing that happens is that you don't get paid even though you have already shipped the products or provided the service.

It is easy for those civil servant types and army generals who collect a fat salary to talk about shut downs but for those who live in the real world it is a different kettle of fish.

Non-essential retail businesses can be shut down and credit be made available to tide them over. B2B will carry on, just B2C temp shut down.

You hit the nail on the head... Landlords need to offer rent free period during the government mandated shutdown.

The question is, who foots the bill? REIT holders? I doubt we have the political will to do so. But I'm always ready to eat my shorts.

 

[A Singaporean]

No One Will Be Left Behind.
Pride of PAP !

Yes no one left behind because they will be dead and replaced by foreigners.

 

[foreveralonetanyakchin]

Do not doubt what pap says.

Must have absolute trust in pap.

 

[cloudy]

Most of them, I have seen them past few days. Masks and hand sanitizer, but adult size, it's not easy to find kids size masks...

KNN recently my uncle shared a post on reusing of surgical mask https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/things-that-pharmaceutical-companies-didnt-want-you-to-know.279650/
His latest discovery on the current sg weather is that just perform the step 3 - sun tan it any virus or bacteria confirmed will be killed KNN can skip step 1 and 2 becas it will damage it KNN but best for each family member to wear back their own tanned piece KNN (no pun intended with disclaimer for current sg weather only KNN)

Thank you.

 

[cloudy]

How do you define "temporary"? I have already stated elsewhere that 2 weeks would be tolerable but in my opinion more symbolic than useful. If you shut down for 2 months a lot of businesses are going under. I know this because I am seeing it happen with my own eyes. The only thing that would save them would be rent free premises for the period of the shut down, employees willing to work for next to nothing, suspension of power bills, tax bills etc.

If you have not run a business you won't know just how difficult it is to meet all the overheads, keep creditors happy while making sure your debtors pay you on time. When things go downhill the first thing that happens is that you don't get paid even though you have already shipped the products or provided the service.

It is easy for those civil servant types and army generals who collect a fat salary to talk about shut downs but for those who live in the real world it is a different kettle of fish.

The disease can be contained. All it takes is for government and businesses to bit the bullet, and not some half hearted neither here or there strategies which has proven to be futile. The government and businesses can continue to make their monies once the disease is effectively and DECISIVELY contained.

 

[cloudy]

Less than 2% of infected cases in China were under 19 years old. Children seem to have no response to the virus just like Hep-A.

So on the contrary you should protect yourself first rather than your daughter.

But I understand these are irrational times so heck, do as you please.

Yes I am aware. But which parent wants their kids to be infected with Covid 19. You can tell us all these consolatory information, but end of the day, no one knows for certain what will happen if a child is infected.

 

[Leongsam]

The disease can be contained. All it takes is for government and businesses to bit the bullet, and not some half hearted neither here or there strategies which has proven to be futile. The government and businesses can continue to make their monies once the disease is effectively and DECISIVELY contained.

Yeah everybody needs to bite the bullet but these sorts of suggestions invariably come from those who will not be too adversely affected by the biting.

Not all businesses have cash reserves. Most are lucky to have positive cash flow and that's about it. Apple can bite the bullet for a long time. The smaller Singapore business find it hard even at the best of times. A month without revenue and they will already be in a hole that they'll find difficult to climb out of.

 

[Bad New Brown]

Yeah everybody needs to bite the bullet but these sorts of suggestions invariably come from those who will not be too adversely affected by the biting.

Not all businesses have cash reserves. Most are lucky to have positive cash flow and that's about it. Apple can bite the bullet for a long time. The smaller Singapore business find it hard even at the best of times. A month without revenue and they will already be in a hole that they'll find difficult to climb out of.

The best thing is don't do business and it is always good to become a PMET or a worker in the Sinkieland

 

[Leongsam]

The best thing is don't do business and it is always good to become a PMET or a worker in the Sinkieland

Someone has to be running a business in order for the position of PMET and worker to to exist in the first place.

Even a hawker stall assistant needs some hawker to start the business and employ him.

 

[knowwhatyouwantinlife]

Isn't starting a biz a personal choice? Isn't risk of even up to 3 months of no cash flow part and parcel of the game? I think a retire early thread is on here somewhere and if people dont heed useful advices well...and yes empathy wont cut you a break...and to cloudy please you will need to plan for your child as if you will be bedridden tomorrow and money aside the other is trying to make good relationships with everyone u know cos u never know when you will need peoples help

 

[eatshitndie]

The best thing is don't do business and it is always good to become a PMET or a worker in the Sinkieland

best is to be financially independent and retire early. right now no worries, no anxieties, no fear. just have to take good care of puppy and keep him healthy and happy.

 

[Bad New Brown]

Someone has to be running a business in order for the position of PMET and worker to to exist in the first place.

Even a hawker stall assistant needs some hawker to start the business and employ him.

What I mean it is not smooth or easy to run a business at all. At least a business must be able to withstand 6 months without revenue

 

[Leongsam]

What I mean it is not smooth or easy to run a business at all. At least a business must be able to withstand 6 months without revenue

Yes some businesses can survive 6 months without revenue but in the meantime you don't expect them to be operating with the same number of staff.

Large companies will lay off thousands of workers. Small companies might well cut their staff overheads to the bone. If there is no revenue what is the point of having staff on the payroll.

Those laid off are the ordinary folk that form the majority of Singapore's population. They have bills to pay. Without a job how are they going to do that?

For years we have been complaining about layoffs and PMETs being unemployed. Now the same people are demanding that the country be shut down.

 

[Bad New Brown]

best is to be financially independent and retire early. right now no worries, no anxieties, no fear. just have to take good care of puppy and keep him healthy and happy.

You are right but to do it is not easy too.

Imagine a 50 years old single man has only $80,000 cash saving, he lost his job today and have to survive until he find the next job.

The question is can $80,000 last him a lifetime ?

 

[Bad New Brown]

Yes some businesses can survive 6 months without revenue but in the meantime you don't expect them to be operating with the same number of staff.

Large companies will lay off thousands of workers. Small companies might well cut their staff overheads to the bone. If there is no revenue what is the point of having staff on the payroll.

Those laid off are the ordinary folk that form the majority of Singapore's population. They have bills to pay. Without a job how are they going to do that?

For years we have been complaining about layoffs and PMETs being unemployed. Now the same people are demanding that the country be shut down.

If this country is going to shut down then is very scary as all the businesses (sales and operations) must continue if not we all will be like @ginfreely lost job

 

[eatshitndie]

You are right but to do it is not easy too.

Imagine a 50 years old single man has only $80,000 cash saving, he lost his job today and have to survive until he find the next job.

The question is can $80,000 last him a lifetime ?

that’s too little. to be financially independent there must be zero debt and liability topped with at least $6.9m in net worth.

 

[knowwhatyouwantinlife]

Well we voted and embraced capitalism, live by the sword die by the sword...shouldnt all the overseas conferences and table top exercises prepared us for a disease pandemic?with the benefit of hindsight less condos built could have meant more land for farming, agriculture etc...and there are more than 20k vacant condos in sg currently....let's hope the govt wakes up and start allocating land back for farming isolation facilities and whats not...enough of spending on saf as proven the country economy can be destroyed by people staying at home and being healthy much less a war...no need to vote against the pap but vote more opposition memebrs in to contest groupthink and out of touch policies...well let's see what animals we become over the next few days when the hawker centres and coffee shops close as the hawkers will have no food to prepare cook and sell...