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Chitchat Trump - wrong language but right view?

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  1. scroobal

    scroobal Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Is is time for many African countries and the likes of Haiti, El Salvador etc to start defining their destiny and stop seeking a pipeline of never-ending grants, entitlements and handouts?

    The Guardian's article below is all about language but does not even attempt to explain why these countries that have been branded or labelled as "shitholes as not that.

    Is this the start of backlash against freewheeling liberals.

    Donald Trump
    'There's no other word but racist': Trump faces global rebuke for remark
    US diplomats around the world were summoned for formal reproach, amid global shock over Trump calling African nations, Haiti and El Salvador ‘shitholes’

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    Trump suggested the US should bring more immigrants from Norway, not ‘shithole countries’. Photograph: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
    Patrick Wintour, Jason Burke and Anna Livsey

    Fri 12 Jan 2018 18.07 GMTFirst published on Fri 12 Jan 2018 03.58 GMT

    Donald Trump has been branded a shocking and shameful racist after it was credibly reported he had described African nations, as well as Haiti and El Salvador as “shitholes” and questioned why so many of their citizens had ever been permitted to enter America.

    US diplomats around the world were summoned for formal reproach, amid global shock that such crude remarks could ever be made in a semi-public meeting by the president of America.

    In a strongly-worded statement, the UN said it was impossible to describe his remarks as anything other than racist, while the Vatican decried Trump’s words as “particularly harsh and offensive”.

    Trump initially allowed reported accounts of his comments to go unchallenged, but went into damage limitation mode on Friday, insisting he had not used derogatory words – but admitting that the language he had used at a meeting with Senators on immigration was “tough”.

    But the democratic senator Dick Durbin – who was present at the meeting with Trump on Thursday – insisted that the reports were entirely accurate.

    He said “those hate-filled things and did so repeatedly”.

    “Shithole was the exact word used once not twice but repeatedly,” Durbin said, adding that the word was specifically used in the context of African countries.

    The UN human rights spokesman, Rupert Colville, told a Geneva news briefing: “There is no other word one can use but racist. You cannot dismiss entire countries and continents as ‘shitholes’, whose entire populations, who are not white, are therefore not welcome.”
    Salvador Sánchez, the president of El Salvador, said Trump’s words had “struck at the dignity of Salvadorans”.

    “El Salvador formally protests and energetically rejects this kind of comment,” Sánchez wrote on Twitter.

    US diplomats and the US embassy in San Salvador sought to assure those in El Salvador of their respect for the country. Jean Manes, the US envoy to El Salvador, tweeted in Spanish: “I have had the privilege to travel around this beautiful country and meet thousands of Salvadorans. It is an honour to live and work here. We remain 100% committed.”

    Robin Diallo, the US chargé d’affaires to Haiti, was summoned to meet the Haitian president, Jovenel Moïse, to discuss the remarks. The former Haitian president Laurent Lamothe expressed his dismay, saying Trump had shown “a lack of respect and ignorance”.

    Across Africa there was diplomatic fury. Botswana’s government called Trump’s comment “reprehensible and racist” and said the US ambassador had been summoned to clarify whether the nation was regarded as a “shithole” country after years of cordial relations. Uganda’s state minister for international relations, Henry Okello Oryem, called the remarks “unfortunate and regrettable”.

    The African Union said it was alarmed by Trump’s language. “Given the historical reality of how many Africans arrived in the United States as slaves, this statement flies in the face of all accepted behaviour and practice,” its spokeswoman Ebba Kalondo told Associated Press.

    “This is particularly surprising as the United States of America remains a global example of how migration gave birth to a nation built on strong values of diversity and opportunity.”

    Jessie Duarte, the deputy secretary general of South Africa’s ruling ANC, said: “Ours is not a shithole country; neither is Haiti or any other country in distress. It’s not as if the United States doesn’t have problems. There is unemployment in the US, there are people who don’t have healthcare services.”

    The leader of South Africa’s main opposition party, Mmusi Maimane, described the comments as “abhorrent”. He tweeted of Trump:

    The US state department tried to pour water on the flames, issuing a tweet from its Bureau of African Affairs saying that “the United States will continue to robustly, enthusiastically and forcefully engage in #Africa, promoting this vital relationship”.

    Mexico’s former president, Vicente Fox, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump, said in a colourful tweet that “America’s greatness was built on diversity”. He added Trump’s mouth was “the foulest shithole in the world. With what authority do you announce who is welcome in America and who is not? America’s greatness is based on diversity, or have you forgotten your migration background, Donald?”

    David Miliband, the president of the International Rescue Committee, saidTrump’s comments were leading a “race to the bottom on refugees”.

    Trump has made few references to Africa since his election, and many senior Africa-focused posts in his administration remain unfilled.

    In September, he appeared to invent a new country called Nambia while addressing African leaders in Washington. Trump also told them: “I have so many friends going to your countries, trying to get rich. It has a tremendous business potential.”

    The US government’s Africa Media Hub made an effort to limit the diplomatic damage of the president’s words.

    Without directly referring to Trump’s statement, a tweet said the “US remains committed to working together w/Africans to realize the promise of a more peaceful, more productive, more prosperous 21st century Africa. US deeply respects the people of #Africa & values its partnerships with them.”

    Boniface Mwangi, a well-known social activist in Kenya tweeted:
    Standing at a coffee stall outside an office block in Rosebank, a commercial and business neighbourhood in central Johannesburg, Blessing Dlamini, a 45-year-old administrative assistant, said Trump’s words came as “no surprise”.

    “He has shown the world he is a racist. We should just block him from our thoughts,” Dlamini said.
     
  2. nayr69sg

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    Shit hole. Fucked up. Piece of crap. Asshole. Pukebucket.

    Just ways of describing a horrible useless rubbish nonsense poor backward primitive crime laden disease and famine filled place.

    Words lah.
     
  3. Truth_Hurts

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    Guess to shithole countries... the truth hurts
     
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    The shithole remarks has double reconfirm my admiration and respect for the world greatest leader ever known to mankind.
     
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    Well said. Tonychat will be proud of you.
     
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    These are truly shithole countries. People can only see the lack of political correctness but few are actually honest enough to admit the facts.
     
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    In this case, the language is the view; it's a view that seeks to label, judge and condemn. It's not one that seeks to understand and assist. Trump's family came from a place that could have been described at that time as a 'shithole', with starvation, disease and oppression.

    Admire him all you like, but this man is evil, and not even fit to be a shithole.
     
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    Hopefully, the needle and the proverbial pendulum starts to go back to the middle.
     
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    Orange is speaking to his support base when he uses such language. In this case however he has spoken correctly in spite of his lack of political correctness.

    These countries have failed to improve their corruption and lack of basic citizen services in spite of decades of aid.

    You can take in people from these countries but you need tough vetting. No different from our pap taking in people with fake degrees under the CECA
     
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    He’s just calling a spade a spade.
     
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    I agree that the guy is an idiot, a self serving prick, only keen to further his own interest with total disregard to others who do not share his interest. And a true bigot. Look at his base. Look at his campaign themes.


    Again the language and the issues needs to be separated. Even an evil idiot does say the right things in a wrong way.

     
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    If these countries are not shit holes...then why are their shit citizens wanting to escape and emigrate to US in droves ?
     
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    555 remember hor, vegetarian make people stupid and balless. Remember to eat more meat. Pork is da best!
     
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    Totally agree.

     
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    Agree with Trump 100%. There are many more countries that fall into the same classification.

    Even Singapore is a shithole. It may look fancy but it is still full of crap.
     
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    So the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have left the US must think of their country as a 'shithole'?

     
  17. Narong Wongwan

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    The population of USA is over 300 millions. Even if 3 million have left it’s only 1%.
    Compared that to 30% in Sg who thinks Sg is a shithole......
     
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    Or do anything to improve their country...
     
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    The title should be right language right view because to others the truth hurts n they don't want to hear it.
     
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    Kudos to Trump!
    Fuck the politically correct.
     

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