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Serious Truly F-Up Sinkies Highly Educated yet CMI Cannot Secure Employment!

Pinkieslut

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Retrenched young working Singaporeans cannot find jobs; Many turn to becoming a private-hire driver
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It was recently reported in the media that a young Singaporean in his late 20s lost his engineering job and was unable to secure another job.

Feeling hopeless, he holed himself up at home, mostly playing computer games and eventually developed the “hikikomori” syndrome.

The term “hikikomori” was coined by Japanese psychologist Tamaki Saitoō in the late 1990s, referring to those who experience physical isolation, social avoidance and psychological distress for six months or longer. There are often underlying psychological tendencies, such as low self-esteem and perceived social rejection, said Singaporean researcher Liew Kong Meng.

As a result, the Singaporean man did not leave his house for 3 years and became a social recluse. He would even cut his own hair so as to avoid going out for haircuts. All these while, he was supported by his wife, who worked as a clerk.

Eventually, his wife got fed-up and divorced him last year.

On the other hand, other young working Singaporeans who lost their job and couldn’t find one end up driving Grab.

44% of licensed private hire car drivers are young working Singaporeans

Last month in Parliament, Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan was asked to disclose the breakdown of the current number of taxi drivers and private hire car drivers by their respective age groups. Minister Khaw replied that as of February this year, there are about 41,000 Private Hire Car Driver’s Vocational Licence (PDVL) holders and 99,900 Taxi Driver’s Vocational Licence (TDVL) holders.

The age breakdown is as follows:

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In other words, some 44% of licensed private hire car drivers fell into the age group of 20-39 years old.

Shaun Ow, 39, was working in the private sector for some 11 years in various industries before he was retrenched 4-5 years ago. He then tried to find a job for more than a year before giving up. He ended up driving Grab to make ends meet.

He told the media that he has been a private hire car driver for the last three-and-a-half years and manages to earn about $5,000 a month, after accounting for rental, fuel and other miscellaneous charges. But he has to work very hard, driving everyday for 12 to 14 hours non-stop. On average, he would be making 20 to 25 trips daily.

“Passengers sometimes think our job is easy – sitting in an air-conditioned environment is easy. But I always tell them: You find one weekend, have two one-hour breaks for lunch and dinner, and sit in a comfortable sofa for 12 hours just watching TV. You will feel sore backs, sore shoulders, sore necks, sore everywhere,” he said.

“We always have to be alert, vigilant (of) traffic. We can be very careful, but traffic is always moving with motorists, pedestrians and now with PMDs (personal mobility devices) – that is a lot of grief.”

Prof: How come pay of our diploma holders with specialized training worse than those achieved by ‘gig’ economy workers?

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Source: The Straits Times
Prof Walter Theseira, an economist at the Singapore University of Social Sciences (SUSS), noted that the take-home pay for private hire car drivers is “competitive” with the many entry-level jobs for educated younger workers.

But he said that having a large number of young people driving Grab for the long term raises some issues.

“The jobs offer no career path and do not provide workers with significant marketable skills. This means that workers in such jobs will inevitably end up disadvantaged compared to their peers who are able to stay in jobs that offer a career path and the opportunity to build marketable skills,” he added.

“If workers are attracted to private hire driving and other ‘gig’ economy jobs and spend too long in them early on, their lifetime wages and career opportunities could be harmed significantly.”

“What we should really think about is why many of the jobs that employ our NITEC and poly diploma holders pay comparably or worse than the earnings achievable by gig economy workers. This doesn’t make any economic sense because NITEC and diploma holders actually have extensive training to perform a particular skilled job,” Prof Theseira further noted.

“These are workers who have received two to three years of specialist training. Why does the market pay them the same or less than a gig economy platform does for a job that requires virtually no training whatsoever?”

Actually, Prof Theseira doesn’t need to look far for an answer. It is embedded inside the MOM data:

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Because the market can get cheaper “foreign talents” to work in companies, helping to depress the salaries of our NITEC and poly diploma holders even if they have received two to three years of “specialist training”. As an economist, Prof Theseira should be quite familiar with the concept of demand and supply
 

JohnTan

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If not for Grab and Foodpanda, my wife and I would be greatly inconvenienced. Retrenched sinkie PMETs who are driving Grab or delivering us hot food to our door steps are doing society a huge favour. We should not be despising such jobs even if it isn't for everyone, especially for my kids.
 

AhMeng

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If not for Grab and Foodpanda, my wife and I would be greatly inconvenienced. Retrenched sinkie PMETs who are driving Grab or delivering us hot food to our door steps are doing society a huge favour. We should not be despising such jobs even if it isn't for everyone, especially for my kids.
Sounds about right. I hope the number increase and these young sinkies will realise what to do at ballot box. Lol :biggrin:
 

JohnTan

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Sounds about right. I hope the number increase and these young sinkies will realise what to do at ballot box. Lol :biggrin:

They will still be voting for PAP, which is the wise and rational thing to do. Oppies have no track record in running a government and we should not be entrusting our future to a bunch of inexperienced people who have no ideas beyond criticizing PAP and wanting to empty our reserves for populist reasons.
 

AhMeng

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They will still be voting for PAP, which is the wise and rational thing to do. Oppies have no track record in running a government and we should not be entrusting our future to a bunch of inexperienced people who have no ideas beyond criticizing PAP and wanting to empty our reserves for populist reasons.
When people cannot afford to put food on the table, whatever ranjiao track record is tossed out of the window. Lol :biggrin:
 

Hypocrite-The

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Why all these articles about the gig economy likes to use the term 'marketable skills' and say gig economy workers don't have them? So an engineer or lawyer 20 years on the job will never get retrenched and have work forever? If career and these 'marketable skills' soo important than everyone working full time etc will be employable forever. And alot of gig economy workers etc had jobs ..than they would not be unemployed in the 1st place . And going into gig economy
 

Leongsam

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Why all these articles about the gig economy likes to use the term 'marketable skills' and say gig economy workers don't have them? So an engineer or lawyer 20 years on the job will never get retrenched and have work forever? If career and these 'marketable skills' soo important than everyone working full time etc will be employable forever. And alot of gig economy workers etc had jobs ..than they would not be unemployed in the 1st place . And going into gig economy

Nobody has to work forever. As long as proper financial planning is put in place anyone earning a decent salary should be aiming to retire by the time they reach their early 40s.

They can then opt out of the rat race and rely on passive income streams to cover all their needs.

I'm not saying that working life needs to stop. However once financial independence is achieved there is no need to be beholden to any person or organisation. Work becomes are lot more enjoyable when you can choose to do what you have a passion for instead of having to hold on to a dead end job just to put food on the table.
 

red amoeba

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Imagine so man grab drivers and no passengers ? This is what is going to happen if the current status continue.

Grab is going for autonomous vehicles soon and in a stroke these modern rickshaw pullers will be out of jobs again. Where can they go ? Offer hand jobs at street corners ?
 

AhMeng

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If you are young and become grab drivers, unless you are extremely watchful and save a lot, you are missing out on CPF interest rates. And I am sure majority of these guys will not be able to meet min sum. Lol :biggrin:
 

sweetiepie

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What we should really think about is why many of the jobs that employ our NITEC and poly diploma holders pay comparably or worse than the earnings achievable by gig economy workers. This doesn’t make any economic sense because NITEC and diploma holders actually have extensive training to perform a particular skilled job,” Prof Theseira further noted.
KNN prof theseira forgot to mention that this gig workers need to put in 100% work whereas that particular skilled job workers spent more than half their time surfing sbf KNN
 

greedy and cunning

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Nobody has to work forever. As long as proper financial planning is put in place
anyone earning a decent salary should be aiming to retire by the time they reach their early 40s.

They can then opt out of the rat race and rely on passive income streams to cover all their needs.

I'm not saying that working life needs to stop. However once financial independence is achieved
there is no need to be beholden to any person or organisation.
Work becomes are lot more enjoyable when you can choose to do what you have a passion for
instead of having to hold on to a dead end job just to put food on the table.

beri good adviSe.
i will pass this info to those working as
security guards , cleaners , cashiers
with proper planning surely they can retire early
once they have achieved financial independence
they can choose to pick card boards as an exercise.
 

Leongsam

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beri good adviSe.
i will pass this info to those working as
security guards , cleaners , cashiers
with proper planning surely they can retire early
once they have achieved financial independence
they can choose to pick card boards as an exercise.

If they remain in low end jobs from their first day at work till the day they're sacked they're not going to get anywhere.

What security guards, cleaners, cashiers need to do is move up the food chain with careful planning and willingness to forego instant gratification for long term gain.

New Zealand's richest man started off as a tow truck driver. He is now worth billions. Anyone can do it all it takes is willpower, drive and perseverance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Hart

Early years[edit]

Hart worked as a tow-truck driver and as a panel beater after leaving school at 16.

In 1987, Hart completed an MBA from the University of Otago. His research thesis outlines the strategy for Rank, then a small hire company, to grow.[5] This strategy relies on using the cash flow of well-performing companies to fund debt, which as it gets paid off, increases the equity value of the initial investors.

Hart gained a big break when he purchased the Government Printing Office for less than its capital value in 1990. The purchase was 1.4x earnings and Hart was provided generous payment terms. Then New Zealand Prime Minister David Lange initially refused to sign off on the transaction. The following year he bought Whitcoulls Group which at that time included a retail chain of bookstores as well as office and stationery concerns. He has since sold off these interests.

Forbes stated that Hart was the 178th richest person in the world as of March 2016.[1]
 

greedy and cunning

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If they remain in low end jobs from their first day at work
till the day they're sacked they're not going to get anywhere.

What security guards, cleaners, cashiers need to do is move up the food chain with careful planning
and willingness to forego instant gratification for long term gain.


New Zealand's richest man started off as a panel beater.
He is now worth billions. Anyone can do it all it takes is willpower, driver and perseverance.

u are right
so , i have to adviCe them to enrol in sinkapor polytechnic , NUS
or tell them to learn panel beating in ITE ?
btw how about that nz panel beater billionaire ,was he the only panel beater in nz ?
 

Leongsam

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u are right
so , i have to adviCe them to enrol in sinkapor polytechnic , NUS
or tell them to learn panel beating in ITE ?
btw how about that nz panel beater billionaire ,was he the only panel beater in nz ?

They have to find their own way in life because you can point someone in the right direction but the are still the ones who have to walk the path to success.

There were thousands of panel beaters in NZ but most of them woke up every morning and went to work with zero ambitions about doing something better with their lives so they died as panel beaters.
 

knowwhatyouwantinlife

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Imagine so man grab drivers and no passengers ? This is what is going to happen if the current status continue.

Grab is going for autonomous vehicles soon and in a stroke these modern rickshaw pullers will be out of jobs again. Where can they go ? Offer hand jobs at street corners ?
Wont happen anytime soon as corporates reimburse their staff for transport expenses...as long as there are hospitals airports hotels silly people staying in punggol and working in tuas etc. However 12 hrs a day 5k thereabouts a month without any cpf contribution or benefits is about the max phv drivers can earn liao
 

garlic

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Very soon, PDVL will have a minimum age and a minimum years of driving experience and this will not be a problem.
 
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