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That why the past the post system in the UK needs reform. A better alternative will be preferential voting. Much better than proportional representation because it is unstable. N 10% vote? Tat is like winning by contesting.
I am a firm believer in the first past the post system because it means that each and every member of parliament is there on their own merit having being chosen by their electorate in a straightforward contest.
A member of parliament in a "first past the post" system directly represents the electorate.
The tyranny of the minority..
'Just the beginning': Boris Johnson has won, but Brexit drama will drag on
Pro-EU and Pro-Leave campaigners wait outside Parliament in London, Britain. The Brexit drama is not set to go away. Source: AAP
Jaded British voters weary of the Brexit debate may think the messy divorce proceedings are coming to an end, but there's still a long way to go.
Updated
Updated 17 hours ago
It's just the beginning.
With early vote-counting indicating a handsome Conservative majority, Mr Johnson should be able to finally secure parliamentary approval for the withdrawal agreement he struck with the European Union in October so that Brexit happens on 31 January.
Boris Johnson campaigned hard on "Get Brexit Done".
AAP
Britain will then go into a status-quo transition period until the end of 2020, which Mr Johnson has said leaves ample time to negotiate a new relationship with the EU, including on trade.
READ MORE
'We did it, we pulled it off!': Boris Johnson claims victory in UK election, promises a 31 January Brexit
But EU diplomats and officials say the following issues will be sticking points which, if not ironed out, could yet take Britain to the cliff edge of a no-deal exit one year from now.
Time
The EU hopes to start trade talks with Britain by March, leaving just 10 months to strike a deal and get it approved by London and the EU, including member states' parliaments.
Trade agreements with the EU typically take years to complete, and few in Brussels believe the transition period will be long enough to seal a deal with Britain.
READ MORE
Boris Johnson unveiling his 'get Brexit done' manifesto
The transition period can be prolonged by one or two years but London must request an extension by the end of June.
Level playing field
The EU insists it will not seal a trade deal with a large, economically powerful and near neighbour without solid provisions to guarantee fair competition.
The EU's demands will focus on environmental and labour standards, as well as state aid rules to ensure Britain would not be able to offer products on the bloc's single market at unfairly low prices.
Brexit has dominated the campaign. But it's far from over.
AFP
In addition to Mr Johnson's push for a "zero tariff, zero quota" trade deal, the bloc wants a guarantee of "zero dumping".
"If the UK becomes a cross between a casino and Singapore on the Thames, we will be very focused on level playing field issues," a senior EU diplomat said.
Britain's conundrum is that it will be under pressure to loosen rules on agricultural and food standards to strike a bilateral trade deal with the United States, but this would be crossing a red line for the EU, which would restrict access to its market to protect its own producers.
Fisheries
Fishing is a thorny issue because EU countries will no longer be able to operate in British waters as they are now.
The two sides will probably negotiate fishing quotas, as the EU currently does with Norway, whereby so-called total allowable catches are shared among EU countries but officials say this will be a drawn-out and potentially acrimonious process.
Rules of origin
With industry supply chains in the EU currently crossing borders multiple times for products like cars and drugs, agreeing exact rules to designate where products come from - and hence what regulations and taxes apply - will also be tricky.
Security and data sharing
The EU and Britain have vowed to work closely on security, including by sharing sensitive data for criminal cases. However, agreeing such procedures with third countries has proven complicated and time-consuming for the EU in the past.
Expect the unexpected?
EU diplomats said that with a large majority in parliament, Johnson may pay less heed to his own hardline Brexiteers who want a deep split from the bloc as he negotiates a future relationship.
He may also feel under less pressure to stick to his pre-election pledge not to extend the transition period beyond 2020.
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on the campaign trail last week. Polls have him ahead.
AAP
However, if Johnson fails to reach an agreement with the EU by the end of next year, and he refuses to negotiate past his own deadline, then the legal default would still be a no-deal divorce.
With wires
'Just the beginning': Boris Johnson has won, but Brexit drama will drag on
Pro-EU and Pro-Leave campaigners wait outside Parliament in London, Britain. The Brexit drama is not set to go away. Source: AAP
Jaded British voters weary of the Brexit debate may think the messy divorce proceedings are coming to an end, but there's still a long way to go.
Updated
Updated 17 hours ago
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It's just the beginning.
With early vote-counting indicating a handsome Conservative majority, Mr Johnson should be able to finally secure parliamentary approval for the withdrawal agreement he struck with the European Union in October so that Brexit happens on 31 January.
Boris Johnson campaigned hard on "Get Brexit Done".
AAP
Britain will then go into a status-quo transition period until the end of 2020, which Mr Johnson has said leaves ample time to negotiate a new relationship with the EU, including on trade.
READ MORE
But EU diplomats and officials say the following issues will be sticking points which, if not ironed out, could yet take Britain to the cliff edge of a no-deal exit one year from now.
Time
The EU hopes to start trade talks with Britain by March, leaving just 10 months to strike a deal and get it approved by London and the EU, including member states' parliaments.
Trade agreements with the EU typically take years to complete, and few in Brussels believe the transition period will be long enough to seal a deal with Britain.
READ MORE
The transition period can be prolonged by one or two years but London must request an extension by the end of June.
Level playing field
The EU insists it will not seal a trade deal with a large, economically powerful and near neighbour without solid provisions to guarantee fair competition.
The EU's demands will focus on environmental and labour standards, as well as state aid rules to ensure Britain would not be able to offer products on the bloc's single market at unfairly low prices.
Brexit has dominated the campaign. But it's far from over.
AFP
In addition to Mr Johnson's push for a "zero tariff, zero quota" trade deal, the bloc wants a guarantee of "zero dumping".
"If the UK becomes a cross between a casino and Singapore on the Thames, we will be very focused on level playing field issues," a senior EU diplomat said.
Britain's conundrum is that it will be under pressure to loosen rules on agricultural and food standards to strike a bilateral trade deal with the United States, but this would be crossing a red line for the EU, which would restrict access to its market to protect its own producers.
Fisheries
Fishing is a thorny issue because EU countries will no longer be able to operate in British waters as they are now.
The two sides will probably negotiate fishing quotas, as the EU currently does with Norway, whereby so-called total allowable catches are shared among EU countries but officials say this will be a drawn-out and potentially acrimonious process.
Rules of origin
With industry supply chains in the EU currently crossing borders multiple times for products like cars and drugs, agreeing exact rules to designate where products come from - and hence what regulations and taxes apply - will also be tricky.
Security and data sharing
The EU and Britain have vowed to work closely on security, including by sharing sensitive data for criminal cases. However, agreeing such procedures with third countries has proven complicated and time-consuming for the EU in the past.
Expect the unexpected?
EU diplomats said that with a large majority in parliament, Johnson may pay less heed to his own hardline Brexiteers who want a deep split from the bloc as he negotiates a future relationship.
He may also feel under less pressure to stick to his pre-election pledge not to extend the transition period beyond 2020.
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on the campaign trail last week. Polls have him ahead.
AAP
However, if Johnson fails to reach an agreement with the EU by the end of next year, and he refuses to negotiate past his own deadline, then the legal default would still be a no-deal divorce.
With wires
U are a bigger clown than I thought u were. More than half the voters did not vote for the winning party. So how can it be representative of the electorate?
You are fixated on the idea that losers need to be represented which is not the case.
Each electorate is a contest and the person with the most votes wins. It's a straightforward system that works well when it comes to forming a functional government.
Running a country is serious business and the idea that some looney party which garnered only 1% of the vote deserves 1% of parliamentary representation is simply ludicrous.
I never say I support the proportional system. I say I prefer the preferential voting system
And I prefer first past the post. Is it tampered with when governments want to get unelectable candidates into parliament by devious means.
This is exactly what the PAP has done with its GRC scheme. We have ended up with unelected individuals talking cock in Parliament even though nobody voted to listen to their rubbish.
Whenever I hear some Western government vowing to "tackle the climate emergency" it brings tears of mirth to my eyes.
There are 3 billion chinks plus ah nehs out of 7 billion humans who couldn't give a shit about the climate. I'll believe something can be done when I come across a Western leader who can directly control policy in china and india.
There are 3 billion chinks plus ah nehs out of 7 billion humans who couldn't give a shit about the climate. I'll believe something can be done when I come across a Western leader who can directly control policy in china and india.
In singkieland preferential voting system will not work because its often a straight fight n not a 3 or 4 point fight. And the GRC is past the post..because it's a team system mitigating the 1 person 1 vote system. And some of the most talk cock pap MPs have been in single seat wards like Disgracefool n Cedric fool. The problem in singkieland is its ppl who love pap the most...talk cock and cock up also can win as long as u r pap.
Liberal Democrats are like the DDR or PRC etc. Have Democrat or People in the name but are just 2 bit dictatorshipsShe lost her seat. Libtards are full of hubris, they sincerely believe their own hype.
Also, climate alarmists should get run over by a truck.
Jo swinson lost in a very pro nationalist glasgow seat to snp. Glasgow voted overwhelmingly for independence ftom UK.
Libturds wanted to cancel Brexit. And most Scots wanted tat. She should have won...the Scots will prefer being in the uk if uk remained in the EU.
Both snp and lib dems are remainers. She lost by only 149 votes.
Its because of climate concern pmd's and electric scooters were produced. Otherwise we will still be stuck with vespa and mopeds.
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