TOC is proud to unveil its new Chinese section to be headed by Mr Goh Meng Seng.

[Goh Meng Seng]

I am just being cynical.

"De facto language" is English? That shows how successful the "bilingual policy" is...

Goh Meng Seng

the reality is: english educated parents are speaking to their children in English bcos they are hopeless speaking chinese, and they push their kids to chinese enrichment classes.

chinese educated parents are pushing their kids to learn english becos they suffered from not mastering english.

english is our defacto language - a language that can allow you to communicate with malays / indians (i am not including FTs). If we go by what you suggest, ditch english, you are going to create a diversified country. Or you suggest malay then as unifying language?

we are different from China and the countries you mentioned - note that these countries are homogenous largely. we are not.

as i mentioned, i agree with you that ditching dialect is a waste because it can better convey our culture and history and make each Chinese slightly more unique. i love my own dialect as well.

but i certainly disagree with you regarding ditching English over chinese.

 

[red amoeba]

I am just being cynical.

"De facto language" is English? That shows how successful the "bilingual policy" is...

Goh Meng Seng

yes...they are facing a struggle to do that.

it is interesting to see that there are no issues with Malays mastering Malays, Indians Tamil...except Chinese.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

For the Malays, they do have problems; don't assume that they don't. For Indians, some of them are not Tamil and there is no class for Hindi.

Goh Meng Seng

yes...they are facing a struggle to do that.

it is interesting to see that there are no issues with Malays mastering Malays, Indians Tamil...except Chinese.

 

[brocoli]

mudland and indon both have bahasa as national lang, both have chinese / malay / tamil dominated schools.

look at where they are / what have they achieved.

I tihnk ENglish can be the language of commerce without peranakans CHEEbYes trying to wipe out mandarin and dialects

For the Malays, they do have problems; don't assume that they don't. For Indians, some of them are not Tamil and there is no class for Hindi.

Goh Meng Seng

interestingly, the 1st destination for both Eric Tan and Goh Meng Seng after leaving their respective party is TOC, a platform that Gerald Giam doesnt even bother with....

HAHAHA

 

[nonsense]

interestingly, the 1st destination for both Eric Tan and Goh Meng Seng after leaving their respective party is TOC, a platform that Gerald Giam doesnt even bother with....

HAHAHA

interestingly, u are the forum clown. HAHAHA

 

[GoldenDragon]

This actually means that PAP has systematically controlled the employment channels here in Singapore so much so to deprive and marginalize those with Chinese education. By using this method, it took 20 years to kill off Chinese education and Nantah altogether.

I think you are wrong here. While I am not aware of employment channels in the private sector, the PAP actually takes good care of Nantah grads in the civil service. Deprive and marginalise?

In the case of the private sector, I am pretty sure a Chinese ed chap would go far as long as he proves to be more capable than an English ed chap.

In the civil service, specifically the MHA, for every promotion, there will be a Chinese ed chap among the top ranks promoted. Never mind if he or she is up to the mark. Same goes for Malay officers.

 

[psy83]

interestingly, u are the forum clown. HAHAHA

Yes he is... One thing that is very noticeable is everyone is avoiding his ranting and not replying to him.. This PAP lap dog I.B is one dodgy character..Im keeping a close watch on his every movement. But i still think he is an interesting person.

 

[brocoli]

interestingly, u are the forum clown. HAHAHA

Yes he is... One thing that is very noticeable is everyone is avoiding his ranting and not replying to him.. This PAP lap dog I.B is one dodgy character..Im keeping a close watch on his every movement. But i still think he is an interesting person.

interestingly, both of you cant string more than 2 sentence, .... sound like crone wanking each other

who contribute nuthing to discussion but come to this forum to look for IBs as if you are in 無間道 ... lameass

I am the TS, if they are not replying to me, then they must be replying to you... siao lang

 

[tanwahtiu]

english, english english! I hate english .... says some PRCs.

when 2/3 of the world speak in the same manner in Chinese version, the pommies must switch over to confuse others and pommies are adamant speak to you in English only. Should dump English but if that could not be achieve switch their grammer to Chinese version and save you alot of confusion.

三家五 ... 是多少? is Chinese version and before you finish the sentence the listener can roughly figure out the sum and what you intent to say.

How much is ... 3 plus 5? Fuck! must wait for the dickhead pommie to finish his sentence before the listener can figure out what he want to ask?

Here is a better option to de-pommised English - 3 plus 5 ... how much?

The Chinese version make you a quicker thinker than a pommie. Don't believe it ! try it out with a PRC Chinese and a Pommised Sinkie.

English should be taught in Chinese version. Instead of confusing with genders he she him her just use 'ta' .... ta go to toilet .... ta go eat shit ...

one 'ta' is so simple to use than to work out the person is a cunt or dick .... hahahaha

Jess! English sucks!

the reality is: english educated parents are speaking to their children in English bcos they are hopeless speaking chinese, and they push their kids to chinese enrichment classes.

chinese educated parents are pushing their kids to learn english becos they suffered from not mastering english.

english is our defacto language - a language that can allow you to communicate with malays / indians (i am not including FTs). If we go by what you suggest, ditch english, you are going to create a diversified country. Or you suggest malay then as unifying language?

we are different from China and the countries you mentioned - note that these countries are homogenous largely. we are not.

as i mentioned, i agree with you that ditching dialect is a waste because it can better convey our culture and history and make each Chinese slightly more unique. i love my own dialect as well.

but i certainly disagree with you regarding ditching English over chinese.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I think you are wrong here. While I am not aware of employment channels in the private sector, the PAP actually takes good care of Nantah grads in the civil service. Deprive and marginalise?

In the case of the private sector, I am pretty sure a Chinese ed chap would go far as long as he proves to be more capable than an English ed chap.

In the civil service, specifically the MHA, for every promotion, there will be a Chinese ed chap among the top ranks promoted. Never mind if he or she is up to the mark. Same goes for Malay officers.

You are pretty ignorant.

There are professional students to be taken care of and obviously, civil service will take very good care of them. Right from mid 1980s onwards, due to the need of expansion into China, suddenly Nantah people are in great demand. GLCs like PSA suddenly need to scramble and scrap through their bottoms to look for Chinese educated people to be sent and posted to China.

But look at the 1960s and 1970s. Unless there are special reasons, else, you won't even be in the radar screen.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Liquigas]

We are talking here about an era passed when Nantah graduates faced discrimination at the workplace and lose out in terms of promotion. The youngest Nantah graduate is at least 55 years old. Think LTK belonged to the last batch...

 

[myfoot123]

It is not emotive at all. It is just logical conclusions made here.

Well, karma bounce actually. Now PAP and its cronies could hardly find anyone who could converse effectively in Mandarin and most importantly, understand the Chinese mindset to help them in China businesses. Why do you think Singapore screwed up in Suzhou?

Goh Meng Seng

You missed out the cocky attitude of our PAP run institutions too. When they went to Suzhou to suck up the chinese, they played by Singapore book in other people jurisdiction. Stupid right? Than when they tried to play Singapore attitude because Lau Lee think Singapore = PAP, many giant shipping companies decided to use malaysia port instead. You think PAP is smart? they run Singapore by trial and error from "stop-at-two" polices to flooding of immigrants here. I doubt they are keen in promoting Chinese unless China can prove itself to overtake America. One very clear slip of tongue by Ng Eng Hen when he said Chinese is a weaker subject and should not be given high rating as criteria to enter university (or to that effect), and caused a huge uproar by the chinese clan association. Another flop. Talking about the importance of Chinese language by LKY? I can only smell buy votes agenda,nothing more. There is still a strong England atttidue in his bone because it is profitable that way.

 

[psy83]

utter rubbish, PAP of course did not deliberately prevent the Chinese educated from being employed... but they systematically implicitly lower the employability of those Chinese educated with their cultural revolution campaign and mass brain washing...

Goh Meng Seng should fight for chinese issues since Low wun.....

Using Lky words i see "Utter Rubbish" ........... YOU PAP LAP DOG!!! Watching you like a hawk PAP IB send here to play mind games with us.:oIo:

 

[psy83]

For the Malays, they do have problems; don't assume that they don't. For Indians, some of them are not Tamil and there is no class for Hindi.

Goh Meng Seng

You can go around it.. Usually for Hindi speaking individuals, They can first choose either chinese or malay as their 2nd language, if they refuse to take either one and prefres to take hindi as their 2nd language they can.. Example..During 2nd language period the student can do his/her own self-study and on weekends she/he has to go to Hindi school.. So hindi can be your 2nd language for your N/O levels.

 

[psy83]

I dont usually quote from wikileaks or advice quoting directly from there unless you know it to be concrete so here.

"Bilingualism, or mother tongue policy, is a cornerstone of the Singapore education system. While English is the first language and the medium of instruction in schools, most students are required to take a "Mother Tongue" subject, which could be one of the three official languages: Chinese, Malay or Tamil. The choice is determined by the student's race. A non-Tamil Indian may choose to offer Tamil or a non-official language such as Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Punjabi or Urdu. However, Chinese students from a non-Mandarin background, such as Cantonese speakers, must learn Mandarin. Mother Tongue is a compulsory examinable subject at the Primary School Leaving Examination (PSLE) and the GCE "N", "O" and "A" level examinations. Students are required to achieve a certain level of proficiency in what the government considers their mother tongue as a pre-requisite for admission to local universities. Students returning from overseas may be exempted from this policy"

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Stepping on dangerous grounds by such comments. I would very careful how you spin this. I also disagree with those comments. Why would the PAP want to prevent the Chinese educated from being employed. Makes no sense. It makes more sense for the PAP to force employers to employ Chinese Ed to gain votes. In fact they started to employ them in large numbers to get their votes. These guys struggled. The influential ones were kept in the payroll of stat boards like PA and asked to do PAP campaign work.

The civil service was tasked to take up the slack and ensure that chinese educated will be gainfully employed. Schools, stat boards, etc, they played their part. Chinese ed was never economically disadvantaged in SG.

His comment abt English is also nuts. Promoting english could have been bad because it hindered mandarin? Even if this remark was made cynically, its nuts. English has to be the de facto working language, the common platform. Its the cornerstone of our society, not some ingenious brainwashing devise or by-product of the bilingual policy, as GMS "cynical" remark suggests.

I understand your comment made in another thread on GMS treading dangerously. Don't say he antagonize PAP. That remark he made even antagonizes me. I dont' want to reply to him.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I have to quote this. Its well said.

the reality is: english educated parents are speaking to their children in English bcos they are hopeless speaking chinese, and they push their kids to chinese enrichment classes.

chinese educated parents are pushing their kids to learn english becos they suffered from not mastering english.

english is our defacto language - a language that can allow you to communicate with malays / indians (i am not including FTs). If we go by what you suggest, ditch english, you are going to create a diversified country. Or you suggest malay then as unifying language?

we are different from China and the countries you mentioned - note that these countries are homogenous largely. we are not.

as i mentioned, i agree with you that ditching dialect is a waste because it can better convey our culture and history and make each Chinese slightly more unique. i love my own dialect as well.

but i certainly disagree with you regarding ditching English over chinese.

 

[GoldenDragon]

You are pretty ignorant.

There are professional students to be taken care of and obviously, civil service will take very good care of them. Right from mid 1980s onwards, due to the need of expansion into China, suddenly Nantah people are in great demand. GLCs like PSA suddenly need to scramble and scrap through their bottoms to look for Chinese educated people to be sent and posted to China.

But look at the 1960s and 1970s. Unless there are special reasons, else, you won't even be in the radar screen.

Goh Meng Seng

Yes, Cpt. I am ignorant but not pretty and you are a genius?

Can you define a professional student? Are you implying all these professional students landed up in the civil service and their respective PSs and HsOD were all aware of their past status as professional students and therefore they deserved promotions every other year? No wonder you are where you are today.

 

[brocoli]

Using Lky words i see "Utter Rubbish" ........... YOU PAP LAP DOG!!! Watching you like a hawk PAP IB send here to play mind games with us.:oIo:

you are 1 daft sinkie....

still cant get past the 2 sentence per post, you illiterate animal... if you cant contribute to discuss just STFU...

if I am PAP IB, I already got your IP address, and i can make you disappear...daft sinkie

 

[ReceivedByShits]

if I am PAP IB, I already got your IP address, and i can make you disappear...daft sinkie

This has to be the most stupid statement that i have seen in this forum.