TKL: PAP Associated or Not. Delusional fellow he is.

[sense]

Dr Tony Tan, 71, a former PAP chairman and ex-deputy prime minister. He quit the PAP last month and announced on June 23 his intention to contest the presidency as an independent.

Dr Tan Cheng Bock, 71, PAP MP for Ayer Rajah from 1980 to 2006. The medical doctor quit the party in May.

Mr Tan Kin Lian, 63, former chief executive of the NTUC Income insurance cooperative. He was a PAP cadre member from 1977 until 2007, when he quit the party.


source: http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_688102.html

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TKL said "I can be independent. I have never been a minister or a member of parliament. I am not associated with the past policies of the PAP" This fellow just fail to mention that he was a PAP cadre. Isn't that convenient?

Isn't it interesting that he is still playing down his past association with the PAP?

This guy is really delusional playing with people and thinking that he can get away with that.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Isn't it interesting that he is still playing down his past association with the PAP?

This guy is really delusional playing with people and thinking that he can get away with that.

There is no single doubt that in comparison, TKL is the most "distance" from PAP; Just a cadre member while the other two, one is MP the other is Minister. Besides, TKL resigned years ago while the two, only recently.

To be fair to TKL, he did write occasionally to ST to express his different views on various issues even when he was still NTUC Income CEO as well as PAP cadre.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[knightriderz]

Just a cadre member? I doubt u or I will ever get to b one...it's v hard to b a cadre member unless u r sponsored in... So based on dat I tink there is really some whitewashing going on

There is no single doubt that in comparison, TKL is the most "distance" from PAP; Just a cadre member while the other two, one is MP the other is Minister. Besides, TKL resigned years ago while the two, only recently.

To be fair to TKL, he did write occasionally to ST to express his different views on various issues even when he was still NTUC Income CEO as well as PAP cadre.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[sense]

There is no single doubt that in comparison, TKL is the most "distance" from PAP; Just a cadre member while the other two, one is MP the other is Minister. Besides, TKL resigned years ago while the two, only recently.

To be fair to TKL, he did write occasionally to ST to express his different views on various issues even when he was still NTUC Income CEO as well as PAP cadre.

Goh Meng Seng

Whatever your current political strategy is, it's would likely do more harm than good for you - if you are planning to have a come back in 2016.

 

[sharingan83]

There is no single doubt that in comparison, TKL is the most "distance" from PAP; Just a cadre member while the other two, one is MP the other is Minister. Besides, TKL resigned years ago while the two, only recently.

To be fair to TKL, he did write occasionally to ST to express his different views on various issues even when he was still NTUC Income CEO as well as PAP cadre.

Goh Meng Seng

OP's point is not who is not more distanced but that one cannot truly call himself independent if he has been associated with a party for 30 years -- longer than either candidates. TKL spent about half of his life with PAP.

 

[No_Collar]

Amongst the 3 i think TCB has done the most in helping ordinary citizens.. TT n TKL only help the elites n themselves.. If im goin to vote for the people's champion, it'll definitely goes to TCB... In my eyes, TCB is the people's champ!!! Nuff said!!

 

[Khun Ying Pojaman]

Amongst the 3 i think TCB has done the most in helping ordinary citizens.. TT n TKL only help the elites n themselves.. If im goin to vote for the people's champion, it'll definitely goes to TCB... In my eyes, TCB is the people's champ!!! Nuff said!!

But what if TCB is going to remain silent on the status of our reserves ?

 

[sense]

I've been thinking about your political style vs TKL. In terms of the ability to take criticism and heat, I think you excel in this area in most instances. TKL ought to learn this from you.

There is no single doubt that in comparison, TKL is the most "distance" from PAP; Just a cadre member while the other two, one is MP the other is Minister. Besides, TKL resigned years ago while the two, only recently.
To be fair to TKL, he did write occasionally to ST to express his different views on various issues even when he was still NTUC Income CEO as well as PAP cadre.
Goh Meng Seng

Let's be fair to TKL then, tell us during his 30 years (1977 to 2007) association with the PAP, did he raised any issue in ST that upset or caused a stir within the Cabinet? If yes, please show us the references to the topics: date and title/fulltext of the articles.

PS: Since you are receiving this via your email also, we'll be waiting for your reply on this.

 

[sense]

But what if TCB is going to remain silent on the status of our reserves ?

Correspondingly, But what if TKL is going to remain silent on the status of our reserves? <-- look at what he did during his 30 years association with the PAP
Correspondingly, But what if TT is going to remain silent on the status of our reserves?

Check out instances where TCB upsets the Cabinet and even the Lees in the past and you'll know what kind of person TCB likely be if he is the EP.

 

[jw5]

To be fair to TKL, he did write occasionally to ST to express his different views on various issues even when he was still NTUC Income CEO as well as PAP cadre.

Goh Meng Seng

Please provide the evidence. Any letters, blogs or articles written between 1977 to 2007 expressing his different views on various issues.

Obviously, it would have to be views criticising government policy and for the benefit of ordinary people.

 

[Unrepented]

Yes, GMS, show these jokers the simple and solid proof which these unenlightened ones have been asking for weeks. I am sure there should be lots over thirty years of service with unbending will.

Please provide the evidence. Any letters, blogs or articles written between 1977 to 2007 expressing his different views on various issues.

Obviously, it would have to be views criticising government policy and for the benefit of ordinary people.

 

[IR123]

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Off Topic

Hello GMS,

Hope all is well with you.

Regards

 

[IR123]

Personally I think TKL lacked confidence in his approach, particularly in asking for donations, suggesting a one on one approach to the elections. However he has prepared himself for the battle and has since adopted a more appropriate demeanor.

I am not concerned about whether he had written letters in the past. What matters is the present. We can look at a candidate's past and live in his past, not seeing his present impotence expressed as silence in Parliament. That is because we see with the old spectacles. Thus what matters is how he will function in the future. Of course, it is far better if he performs well in the past and expressed the wish to continue his performance.

Again, the purpose of the President is to provide an independent voice to the ruling party. It is ideal if that candidate is not a member of the ruling party as then there is no conflict of interest.

Finally it is important to look at the President's psyche. If he is of the type that feels the ruling party is misunderstood despite rising medical cost, rising housing cost, rising inflation, extremist ministerial and presidential salaries, reduction of singaporeans via the import of foreign singaporeans, creation of jobs for foreign labour (otherwise it makes sense to have them adding to our unemployment figures?!!!), then it is good to factor in such psyche into our votes. Even though such beliefs, on its own, does not affect the Presidency as it is beyond the limits of the granted powers. However it important to ask if such beliefs will colour his approach as gatekeeper to the reserves. This is a matter of perception. Indeed it is our perceptions that determine our votes.

All in, I do not think that TKL is delusional. I think he is perfectly sane. As to whether he is a better candidate than Tony Tan or TCB, it depends on these factors:

(1) is he still a member of the PAP

(2) if he is, is he populist to the PAP? Or of a sound independent mind?

(3) has he shown that he cared about the people in the past. In the case of TKL, I heard (do not know if it is accurate) that he steered NTUC into low cost insurance for the masses. A comparison with the subsequent CEOs will show the truth or lie of this. However I do not have the knowledge to make such comparison. In the case of TCB, some forumers said that he was vocal in Parliament. This is interpreted by them as a straightforward evidence of independence.

(4) as for Tony Tan, he would have made an excellent Prime Minister. But will he make a good President? Certainly he has the stature and presence, heads and shoulders above TKL and TCB, to give a good impression to foreign dignitaries. His vocality in expressing viewpoints on matters he hold deeply is something that voters must factor into their votes and check if it mitigates his close ties to the PAP.


TKL, TCB, TT. All are worthy. Again, I emphasize that TKL is not delusional. The question is therefore: who is worthier? At this point, I gravitate to Tony Tan and keep TKL as a close second. I do not know who is TCB although many here emphasize his achievements. But the deciding point will be their TV telecast and the way they uphold their stand, demeanour and commitment to the people during this period. Especially this period!

 

[myfoot123]

There is no single doubt that in comparison, TKL is the most "distance" from PAP; Just a cadre member while the other two, one is MP the other is Minister. Besides, TKL resigned years ago while the two, only recently.

Goh Meng Seng

Just heard from the news that no political party should rally behind the president hopeful. Will your presence alongside TKL affects him? I fear people might gossip about it. If you have quitted NSP, than there is no more room of doubt to help him up.

 

[scroobal]

Not a problem bro. They just said no party symbol or logo etc. You can keep your party membership and still be involved in his campaign. They can't do anything by law if an opposition endorses him.

Just heard from the news that no political party should rally behind the president hopeful. Will your presence alongside TKL affects him? I fear people might gossip about it. If you have quitted NSP, than there is no more room of doubt to help him up.