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Lockheed Martin production model F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft, BF-6 and BF-8, arrive at their new assignment with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing's Marine Fighter/Attack Training Squadron 501 at Eglin AFB, Fla.



Bringing short take off and vertical landing to a whole new level. The F-35B Joint Strike Fighter has advanced the technology of Short Take Off and Vertical Landing (STOVL). The F-35 true 5th Generation from every angle.




F-35 Lightning II video used at trade and air shows around the world to give viewers the F-35 Experience. See why stealth, battle space awareness, performance and sustainment make the F-35 the world's only 5th generation multi-role fighter. Includes footage of the F-35 Lightning II production line.



 
Dont even know if it will stand up to combat stress and when it will be available.

This F35 has been delayed and R & D cost overruns are huge..its like a money pit,,,,hope it works out well..if not China and Russia will overtake the USA than we will all be screwed.,..its bad enough that China is on the rise..what will happen when it is strong enough to take over the USA...? game over than man
 
China have less support infrastructure compared to the US. The US hardware is trial and tested in real warfare scenerio. China jets will crash and burn due to the lack of maintenence in years to come.
 
Dont even know if it will stand up to combat stress and when it will be available.

This F35 has been delayed and R & D cost overruns are huge..its like a money pit,,,,hope it works out well..if not China and Russia will overtake the USA than we will all be screwed.,..its bad enough that China is on the rise..what will happen when it is strong enough to take over the USA...? game over than man

Don't make ridiculous statements without reading or watching the videos. It is apparent you did not do either.:mad:
 
No War = No Budget

Dont even know if it will stand up to combat stress and when it will be available.

This F35 has been delayed and R & D cost overruns are huge..its like a money pit,,,,hope it works out well..if not China and Russia will overtake the USA than we will all be screwed.,..its bad enough that China is on the rise..what will happen when it is strong enough to take over the USA...? game over than man


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War means jobs for weapon makers and everyone's livelihood is depending on these people in that state. George Bush knew how to create a conflict by making the whole country pays for his great conquest (or so-called WMDs). My only concern was Saddam - he must be dead. And I got my wish at the end.

As you can see, free testing ground for the USA made weapons like the A-bomb in Hiroshima or poison gas used in Vietnam. Free volunteers for USA weapon testings ? In the past, there was a nuclear explosion test site which the test was to exposed some US soldiers to radioactivity. Buckayrow !

Sometimes, I do wonder what is the real military budget if there isn't any theater in any part of the world for the USA.
 
The F-35 expensive peices of junks

In the 1st place US have no money to pay for these, even after placing orders. Their usual trick of Forcing so called allies to buy, so that they pay for USAF's bills also won't work as these allies are also broke.

Even if they could be made at all sorts of cost cuts, they are junks that had been grounded before really deployed. Just as F-22 had been grounded.


http://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ed-after-electrical-subsystem-failure-360325/

F-35 fleet grounded after electrical subsystem failure



By: Stephen Trimble Washington DC
08:01 3 Aug 2011
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The Lockheed Martin F-35 fleet is grounded while the joint programme office (JPO) investigates the cause of a failure in the aircraft's electrical system during ground tests.

The failure occurred on an F-35A conventional take-off and landing test aircraft, numbered AF-4, but the precautionary grounding applies to all 20 F-35s that had reached flying status, according to a JPO statement.

"Once the facts are understood, a determination will be made when to lift the suspension and begin ground and flight operations," the JPO said.

The incident marks the third grounding order for the F-35 fleet since last October, and the second in five months involving the AF-4 test aircraft.

In this case, the Honeywell-built integrated power package (IPP) failed during a standard engine test following a maintenance check at 08:30 on 2 August, the JPO said.

The IPP is primarily used as both a starter for the engine and a back-up electrical system, supporting the two main generators. In March, the IPP proved its worth by activating after both generators shut-down with AF-4 still in flight. The power generated by the IPP allowed the flight control system to keep operating until the pilot landed.

That incident also triggered a fleet-wide grounding in March until Lockheed fixed a flaw with a new generator system design introduced on AF-4. Some aircraft remained grounded for several weeks until the problem was fixed.

Last October, the fleet was also grounded after Lockheed discovered a software glitch that could have allowed the fuel pump to shut down above 10,000ft (3,050m).

The electrical system has been the cause of three of four major incidents so far during the development phase. The first incident was recorded in May 2007, when the test aircraft numbered AA-1 experienced an electrical short that disabled flight controls on the horizontal stabliser.



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An F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, marked AA-1, lands Oct. 23 at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. (http://www.af.mil)

An F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, marked AA-1, lands Oct. 23 at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. (http://www.af.mil)

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Over 200 of the most expensive aircraft in the world are used by the US Military, but fleets of war planes owned by the Air Force are sitting on the sidelines, despite costing billions of dollars.

All 20 of the F-35 aircraft in a fleet manufactured by Lockheed Martin were grounded today after the factory’s Joint Program Office (JPO) identified a failure in the plane’s electrical system while conducting tests on the ground.

An official for the JPO tells Flight International that they are investigating the problem, and once the facts are “understood,” Lockheed Martin will then decide what to do with the fleet of planes.

This F-35 fleet has been grounded three times now since October. The one plane that triggered the problem, the AF-4, has been grounded itself twice in 2011 alone.

The fleet of F-35s join 187 F-22’s purchased by the Air Force through Lockheed Martin have been out of operation since they were first acquired in 2005. Those planes, worth a total of $77.4 billion, have remained out of use since they were first added to the Military’s arsenal. In May, however, malfunctions in the oxygen system installed in the crafts caused the Air Force to indefinitely ground the fleet, this time with actual reason.

Aside from training and patrol operations, the nearly $80 billion worth of F-22s have never been used by the US Military, despite the country’s engagement in several wars.

In 2009, then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said that the F-22 was something the Military needed in order to defeat highly advanced enemy fighter fleets, but added, “to be blunt, does not make much sense anyplace else in the spectrum of conflict.”


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F-35 grounded after electrical system failure thus joining the F-22
August 5, 2011 (by Lieven Dewitte) - For the third time in less than a year, the Pentagon has grounded all F-35 joint strike fighters because of a mechanical problem. The F-35s thus join the F-22 Raptors in stand down mode.

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A crew chief from the 33rd FW guides F-35A #08-0747 to its final parking position on July 14th, 2011. The aircraft is the first production F-35 to be delivered to the wing. AF-9 arrived at 13.18hrs CDT after launching on its 90-minute ferry flight from Fort Worth.
All flight and ground operations for the Joint Strike Fighter were ceased after the integrated power package (IPP) on a U.S. Air Force variant test aircraft failed on August 2nd during a ground maintenance run at Edwards Air Force Base.

The 20 operational test and training aircraft were parked and will stay that way until engineers and technicians can find why a power system that starts and cools the aircraft failed during an engine ground test Tuesday at Edwards Air Force Base in California. Flight and ground tests could potentially be suspended for a few weeks.

Suspending flights "is the prudent action to take at this time until the F-35 engineering, technical and system safety teams fully understand the cause of the incident," the F-35 Joint Program Office said in a statement. The program office oversees contractors and military test teams.

Few details of the incident were released, but the program office said that once the power system failed "the engine was immediately shut down and the jet was secured. No injuries to the pilot or ground crew occurred."

The F-22 Raptors have been grounded since May after several pilots experienced hypoxia-like symptoms. Air Force officials do not yet know the cause but suspect carbon monoxide and toxins seeping into the cockpits.

This isn't the first (or second) time the F-35 has been grounded within the last year. A software glitch that could shut down fuel pumps in flight shelved the planes last October while an electrical issue put them out of service again this March.

The system that failed this week, the integrated power package, was on the same plane whose electrical generator failed in March. The particular aircraft is an AF-4, which is a conventional takeoff and landing version of the multi-role aircraft.

The failure occurred in the integrated power pack (IPP), which is used to start the main jet engine, provide air conditioning for the cockpit and numerous electrical systems, and generate backup electrical power.

The cessation or limiting of specific operations during the test program is not particularly unusual, but putting a halt to ground operations is less common. Overall, the F-35 is ahead of its latest schedule, which was put in place in January. Margins have been built into it to accommodate these kinds of incidents that occur in a development effort.


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F-35 fleet grounded after electrical subsystem failure (36 replies)
 
Re: No War = No Budget

hope this can overcome the fuel consumption problem which harrier have.
 
The Hawker Siddeley Harrier, VTOL, STOL, had around for decades, the USMC has some of them.:p
 
The Hawker Siddeley Harrier, VTOL, STOL, had around for decades, the USMC has some of them.:p

but the harrier was a bitch to fly, the new f35 is supposedly much easier, which allows the pilot more time and space to concentrate on combat.
 
F35 is advance version of helicopter.
In dogfight will lost to Sukhoi or even F18
 
It's The Result That Counts

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A tank or an aircraft is just a mean to an end. To me, winning is everything. Results ! Results ! Results !

Kitty Hawk, War Hawk, P-40 was known for its results in war. It was rejected by the Brits as outdated that was why these machines ended up in China instead. But, it was a great success in the Chinese front. A morale booster for both the Americans and the Chinese.

What about Tigers in the Russian front ? All German tanks are a flop ! The Russian T-34 reined as Number One when it's construction was almost primitively simple. Learn from it, folks !



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Re: The F-35 expensive peices of junks

By: Stephen Trimble Washington DC
08:01 3 Aug 2011
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Published: 04 August, 2011, 00:47
Edited: 09 August, 2011, 18:39

F-35 Lightning II News
F-35 grounded after electrical system failure thus joining the F-22
August 5, 2011 (by Lieven Dewitte) - For the third time in less than a year, the Pentagon h

ps in flight shelved the planes last October while an electrical issue put them out of service again this March.

The system that failed this week, the integrated power package, was on the same plane whose electrical generator failed in March.

in place in January.


F-22 pilots losing qualification as Raptors remain grounded (2011-08-05)
F-35 Lightning II flight test report (2011-07-27)
F-35 fleet grounded for generator failure and oil leak (2011-03-19)
Other F-35 Lightning II News
News archive for August 2011

All bloody old news. Please update yourself as the first video said, 2 F-35B delivered in Jan 2012.
 
F35 is advance version of helicopter.
In dogfight will lost to Sukhoi or even F18

Talk is cheap. either present some facts and links or don't bother making off-the cuff unsubstantiated remarks. When you mentioned Sukhoi's there are maybe 20 aircraft models. Which ones are you referring to. Don't expect us to wonder what the heck you are talking about please.
 
but the harrier was a bitch to fly, the new f35 is supposedly much easier, which allows the pilot more time and space to concentrate on combat.

Harrier was so good that it was the only aircraft US imported. In the Falklands War, just a British Harrier carrier-borne squadron at Mach 0.8 beat the hell out of Argentinian air force French Mirage at Mach 2. The British are masters of dog fights. They've never lost any in history. Not only the Harrier, the Buccaneer and the Jaguar were all subsonic. Their records in dogfights and low level airstrikes were creme de la creme. They know they're building a plane for a fight, not for a race.
 
Re: The F-35 expensive peices of junks

All bloody old news. Please update yourself as the first video said, 2 F-35B delivered in Jan 2012.

And you think that was the FINAL TIME of their GROUNDINGS?

:rolleyes:;)

That is only the beginning!
 
All those RAF British pilots who died in air to air combat with German Messerschmitts in World War 2, may they rest in peace! And congratulations to the two Buccaneer pilots who engaged and shot down two Iraqi transport aircraft parked on the tarmac on 27 Feruary 1991!
 
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All those RAF British pilots who died in air to air combat with German Messerschmitts in World War 2, may they rest in peace! And congratulations to the two Buccaneer pilots who engaged and shot down two Iraqi transport aircraft parked on the tarmac on 27 Feruary 1991!

And to all those Luftwaffe Messerschmitt pilots, RIP too; there's no shame in losing to better opponents. Japanese Zero pilots did low level air strikes on Pearl Harbor naval port and airfield too. The outcome was a combination of machinery, preparation and human skill. A few were shot down but it was overall battle victory incapacitating the US military in Pearl Harbor for quite a while. Israeli Air Force did the same to Egyptian Air Force in the 6-Day War, practically destroying their entire air force on the airfields before they could take off. But of course, the best air to air dogfight in history is still RAF v. Luftwaffe in Battle of Britain.
 
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Basically, it is an air frame that was expected to do everything, cheaper and better. Unfortunately when they try to squeeze everything into a basic design it runs into overruns and problems. The biggest hurdle is not the aeronautical engineering part but the software.
 
EXCLUSIVE - Pentagon to take F-35B jet off 'probation'-sources

By Andrea Shalal-Esa
WASHINGTON | Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:33pm EST

(Reuters) - The Pentagon is preparing to lift a "probation" imposed last year on the Marine Corps version of Lockheed Martin Corp's (LMT.N) new F-35 fighter jet after the "B" model made progress on key technical issues, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta may announce the move as soon as Friday during a visit to Naval Air Station Patuxent River in southern Maryland, where some 700 government and industry testers have been evaluating the F-35B model. The B model can take off from shorter runways and can land vertically, like a helicopter.

The decision would remove a black cloud that has hung over the $382 billion Joint Strike Fighter program since then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced last January that the B-model faced significant testing problems and should be canceled unless its issues could be ironed out during a two-year probation.

Lockheed Martin is developing three variants of the radar-evading F-35 for the U.S. military and eight foreign partners. It expects the program to represent about 20 percent of revenue once full production begins.

Panetta's announcement would underscore the U.S. Defense Department's commitment to its largest weapons program at a time when critics have called for its cancellation to help the Pentagon slash spending by $487 billion over the next decade. There are no plans for cancellation, but the Pentagon's fiscal 2013 budget will postpone production of an additional 120 to 175 jets over the next five years, saving billions of dollars in the short term and avoiding more costly retrofits should further problems arise during testing.

That comes on top of 200 jets that have already been postponed over the past two years as officials have tried to rein in rising costs and resolve a steady stream of technical issues; but Lockheed says growing international demand may help offset slower U.S. production rates.

MOVE SEEN AS SHOT IN ARM FOR HUGE WEAPONS PROGRAM
Analysts said Panetta's expected announcement would be a powerful shot in the arm for the F-35 program as it braces for its third restructuring in three years. "The secretary's personal endorsement is exactly what this program needs at this point," said Jim McAleese, a Virginia-based defense consultant, noting that the move was timed just before Panetta unveils budget plans likely to defer expected production orders by 35 to 40 percent over the next five years.

The Pentagon's decision would give an "official green light" to the Marine Corps version of the plane, said defense analyst Loren Thompson of the Virginia-based Lexington Institute.
He said the short takeoff vertical landing (STOVL) variant would be particularly important in coming years, given the U.S. military's increasing focus on the Asia Pacific region.

"The United States is pivoting to the Pacific where it does not have many bases; so having a Marine Corps version of the F-35 that can land even in places where there are no bases is potentially very valuable," he said.

Marine Corps officials had no immediate comment on the expected announcement by Panetta. Marine Corps Assistant Commandant General Joseph Dunford told defense analysts in December that he expected the F-35B to be removed from probation soon. He said he was "pretty bullish" on the jet, citing progress in fixing technical problems. Marine Corps officials say the stealthy new fighter will dramatically increase their capabilities with improved intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance sensors and data-sharing technologies. Since the plane can take off and land on amphibious assault ships, it will essentially double the number of aircraft carriers to 22, they say.

MARINE CORPS MODEL COMPLETED SHIP TESTS LAST FALL
The expected move comes a week after the Pentagon's director of operational test and evaluation released a new report that showed mixed results in testing of the three different variants this past year, and low reliability.

Among other findings, it said the F-35B had a mean time of 2.05 hours between critical failures, a rate far worse than the expected rate at this point in the aircraft's development.
A spokesman for the Pentagon's F-35 program office was not immediately available for comment. Lockheed referred all questions about the F-35B's status to the Pentagon. Last week the company said all three variants of the F-35 completed 100 more flight tests than planned in 2011, achieving 7,823 test points --over 1,200 more than required for the year.

That means the program has accomplished a total of 12,728 test points thus far - about 21.4 percent of the overall requirement, which must be completed by the end of 2016.
Lockheed said the F-35B variant accomplished 333 flights and 268 vertical landings, hitting 2,636 test points.

The B-model also completed ship suitability testing aboard the USS WASP (LHD-1) off the coast of Virginia in October, with two aircraft executing 72 short takeoffs and 72 vertical landings during the three-week testing period.

Lockheed on Thursday expects to deliver a third F-35B to Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, where the Air Force hopes to begin pilot training within the next six months after resolving concerns raised by the Pentagon's chief tester.

The Marines are slated to buy 340 of the F-35B model, and 80 of the C model, which will be able to operate from Navy aircraft carriers.

(Reporting By Andrea Shalal-Esa in Washington; Editing by Gerald E. McCormick)
 
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