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The Chen Guan Cheng case: Deceitful PRC, U.S. stupidity, China's restraint

kingrant

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The Chen Guan Cheng's case is turning out to be a diplomatic fiasco. A case of a deceitful Chinese dissident and the U.S. human rights gallery exploiting each other and then double crossing one another.

Classic PRC behaviour and U.S. big talk.

But CCP restraint is commendable so far.
 

steffychun

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He is spelt GuanSheng

And who cares? America has committed more human rights violations than any other state
 

kingrant

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In the end, the Americans looked stupid, Chen is a fucking liar and a deceit, and now the Chinese govt comes out smelling like roses.

"If he has wanted to go to the U.S. to study, he could have applied thru the proper channels and he would have been allowed."

Lol.
 

Ramseth

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US operates not on brains, but on Microsoft-style hot button words spellchecker. Whenever, they screen across words like PRC, North Korea, Myanmar, Iran, Iraq, they jump up and down first and press auto-correct, only later to to discover the original was what it was meant to be and the spellchecker and correction were wrong.
 

eatshitndie

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The Chen Guan Cheng's case is turning out to be a diplomatic fiasco. A case of a deceitful Chinese dissident and the U.S. human rights gallery exploiting each other and then double crossing one another.

Classic PRC behaviour and U.S. big talk.

But CCP restraint is commendable so far.

this chap is no pushover. he's crafty and a master manipulator. everybody with an ounce of a brain thinks both u.s. and china are using this "poor, handicap" ping pong ball for manipulation and counter-manipulation to win world opinion on human rights and free speech. the exact opposite is true. this guy is playing both sides for his own personal agenda. first of all, he's blind and he cannot see china's economic progress and the improvements on quality of life at both macro and micro levels. second, he wants to better his circumstance and that of his family like all chinese families do, and capitalize on his fame, "persecution" even if contrived and handicap condition to extract sympathy to propel himself and family on the world stage, if not the u.s. psyche.

he timed the drama well, right before the sec of state visit to china. and he's gonna get everything he wished for. vip status in the state department. direct meeting or at least call with sec of state. even the u.s. ambassador's personal escort, care and treatment are not enough for his ego. next, he wants to meet the potus. and then give a speech in congress. he will be wealthy and famous in the u.s. harvard and any other ivy league will want him and pay for his scholarship. he will appear on american tv and make at least usd50k per appearance. every speech he gives will fetch at least 100k. he will start on a book, and that alone will make millions. he and his family will be set for life. hollywood may adapt the saga into a movie, and he will reap royalties when he retires. he had it all planned out. genius.
 

eatshitndie

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chinese-dissident-offered-american-fellowship-135602884.html

new york university law school is the first to bite. not ivy league, but not bad as a law school for the liberal left. :rolleyes:

the chinese are doing the world a favor by capping birth rates and eliminating their own kind with the one child policy. wish hot blooded muslims in the middle east and pakistan, coup driven black africans in africa, scums in slums in india, and poor catholics in latin america and the philippines would do the same. there will be world peace and solution to world hunger. :p
 
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kingrant

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Spot on - yr observations. Agreed. Fucking master manipulator.

this chap is no pushover. he's crafty and a master manipulator. everybody with an ounce of a brain thinks both u.s. and china are using this "poor, handicap" ping pong ball for manipulation and counter-manipulation to win world opinion on human rights and free speech. the exact opposite is true. this guy is playing both sides for his own personal agenda. first of all, he's blind and he cannot see china's economic progress and the improvements on quality of life at both macro and micro levels. second, he wants to better his circumstance and that of his family like all chinese families do, and capitalize on his fame, "persecution" even if contrived and handicap condition to extract sympathy to propel himself and family on the world stage, if not the u.s. psyche.

he timed the drama well, right before the sec of state visit to china. and he's gonna get everything he wished for. vip status in the state department. direct meeting or at least call with sec of state. even the u.s. ambassador's personal escort, care and treatment are not enough for his ego. next, he wants to meet the potus. and then give a speech in congress. he will be wealthy and famous in the u.s. harvard and any other ivy league will want him and pay for his scholarship. he will appear on american tv and make at least usd50k per appearance. every speech he gives will fetch at least 100k. he will start on a book, and that alone will make millions. he and his family will be set for life. hollywood may adapt the saga into a movie, and he will reap royalties when he retires. he had it all planned out. genius.
 

sukhoi-30

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Yes, I agreed the whole fiasco was deliberately planned to coincide with Secretary Clinton visit to China. Mr Chen is not alone in planning this whole stuff either. There is a concerted well funded and organised group of Christian NGOs such as ChinaAid which executed this to shame the Chinese govt when the world is focus on Sino-US summit. In fact the escape is well-planned for a blind Mr Chen who have travelled hundreds of Kms to the US embassy.

In fact, i believe the Chinese govt, well aware of its ascendant power is also playing the same game to shame the US govt by conducting its own game plan. Chen i think is being played around so that the Chinese govt can show the world that the US govt is not sincere in helping Chen and another to show its own people that Chen is a pawn used by the US govt and the Christians to humiliate his very own country. Already there are increasing expression of disgust by ordinary chinese that Chen just wanted to go to the US for a better life for himself and his family.

Sometimes by pushing these dissidents to fight head on with their govt, these Christian groups may harm more than help them. In North Korea, the smuggling of North Korean refugees to China by Christian groups led to even harsher persecution by the authorities. It seems these Christian groups are using the innocent people to further their own religious agenda and also to use the persecution to demand for even harsher sanctions by Western countries.
 

kingrant

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you have summed it up very well. Chen is just a pawn and a proxy used by both sides. As usual, the U.S. groups cannot be clumsier and obvious, and Chen's motives cant be more selfish and self-serving.

Yes, I agreed the whole fiasco was deliberately planned to coincide with Secretary Clinton visit to China. Mr Chen is not alone in planning this whole stuff either. There is a concerted well funded and organised group of Christian NGOs such as ChinaAid which executed this to shame the Chinese govt when the world is focus on Sino-US summit. In fact the escape is well-planned for a blind Mr Chen who have travelled hundreds of Kms to the US embassy.

In fact, i believe the Chinese govt, well aware of its ascendant power is also playing the same game to shame the US govt by conducting its own game plan. Chen i think is being played around so that the Chinese govt can show the world that the US govt is not sincere in helping Chen and another to show its own people that Chen is a pawn used by the US govt and the Christians to humiliate his very own country. Already there are increasing expression of disgust by ordinary chinese that Chen just wanted to go to the US for a better life for himself and his family.

Sometimes by pushing these dissidents to fight head on with their govt, these Christian groups may harm more than help them. In North Korea, the smuggling of North Korean refugees to China by Christian groups led to even harsher persecution by the authorities. It seems these Christian groups are using the innocent people to further their own religious agenda and also to use the persecution to demand for even harsher sanctions by Western countries.
 
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