Thais Demonstrat a brand new form of Political Movement

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Go visit rural Thailand and ask the thai peasants, I have and they have all told me about how Thaksin raised their standard of living and proudly showed me the real tangible benefits like small houses, motor bikes, small biz, cheap medical care etc.

As for LKY, well history shall judge him accordingly. No doubt his government did alot of general good for majority of Singaporeans in the early years, but now well I guess each singaporean has to decide for himself/herself.

I am not so sure about Thaksin helped peasants too. Singaporeans all used to appreciate Lee Kuan Yew like god thinking he helped. Now Singaporeans saw that he exploited more than he helped.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Traditional wayang in Thailand, invariably done by all sides.

Thaksin & his party was obviously ordered by court to dissolve due to verdict on committing election frauds. I am not sure he really got voted or rigged it like PAP.

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[Porfirio Rubirosa]

The majority thai peasants live in rural provinces. PAD supporters are mainly urbanites with many living in Bangkok. Also I think fears of violence between pro and anti Thaksin groups put off large massive turnouts by pro Thaksin groups from the rural provinces.

Just only few days ago as shown in this thread these so called massive supporters of Thaksin gathered to await for a phone call from him from London, and what was the size?

Only about 60K!

Compared with 5 to 8 times more of anti-Thaksin pro-PAD crowds in hundreds of thousands.

So what are you talking about? Big support? These people won't show up!

 

[uncleyap]

It is easy and cheap to vow in the name of Thai peasants, the simple rural people had been used and exploited by Thug-Sin.

Thug-Sin's background is a business con man, a thug styled one. His political career is only a part of his family business and collaboration with cronies. Just like the famiLEE. More precisely, he entered politics in order to have power to make more businesses and financial gains for his Shinawatra family & group of cronies. Political power is what they aim to be exploited for business advantages at this stage - later will be dominance like famiLEE LEEgime in this red dot.

For a business & $$$$$$ background of Thug-Sin, he can not be one that really care for rural peasants. He is just MORE CUNNING in exploiting these rural voters. More COMPLETE EXPLOITATION in other words.

If his own background was a farmer instead of a telecom tycoon, then I won't say this.

He is basically a thug, remember the thousands of so claimed drug gang members he shot dead in the streets when he 1st came to power? That were extra-judiciary executions. It was alleged that Thug-Sin was himself making money from drug before he was elected PM, he did this to white wash his own background when some US agencies were revealing his drug background. 2 of his key election aids and close family assistants were convicted of trafficking drugs very close to his election.

This is same again with LEE KUAN YEW famiLEE's dealings with Burmese drug rings and drug money laundering. Thug-Sin is the closest Thai PM in dealing with the traditionally hostile enemy of Thailand - Burma junta. That is why Thai generals will never like Thug-Sin.

In any economic pyramid of exploitations, rural peasants are ALWAYS at the very bottom to be screwed, this applies across the whole world and most parts of history. The only political faction that really fight for rural peasants are the communists and Thug-Sin is exactly the opposite of communists, because he is a business tycoon thug changed to famiLEE styled Shinawatra-LEEgime ruler + crony networks.

Thug-Sin's honey are liken to famiLEE LEEgime's progress package & other hand-outs to buy votes. Basically give $1 now take back $50 later. Simple rural peasants got fooled, gave their votes to the thugs. Singaporean kiasus also got fooled, not to say Thai farmers.:p

Thug-Sin's gesture to rural peasants are well staged Wayangs, similar to famiLEE LEEgime's Wayangs. Identical to PAp claiming to take care of people etc craps.

Who will believe that a politician with Thug-Sin's background will be fighting for peasants in the rural? You are right about these peasants suffered for ages, I know that farmers sent their daughters to Bangkok to work as prostitutes usually because their family is too poor, this had been for many generations. Is Thug-Sin from such a family? His Shinawatra family is filthy filthy rich! Will not even do any business with farmers! Their partners includes Termasek!

 

[scroobal]

It is easy and cheap to vow in the name of Thai peasants, the simple rural people had been used and exploited by Thug-Sin.

Thug-Sin's background is a business con man, a thug styled one. His political career is only a part of his family business and collaboration with cronies. Just like the famiLEE. More precisely, he entered politics in order to have power to make more businesses and financial gains for his Shinawatra family & group of cronies. Political power is what they aim to be exploited for business advantages at this stage - later will be dominance like famiLEE LEEgime in this red dot.

For a business & $$$$$$ background of Thug-Sin, he can not be one that really care for rural peasants. He is just MORE CUNNING in exploiting these rural voters. More COMPLETE EXPLOITATION in other words.

If his own background was a farmer instead of a telecom tycoon, then I won't say this.

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Now you know why the Lee clan will not sue you. Now you know why when you asked about camera flash, the DPP did not intervene. You have no clue about anything.

 

[matamafia]

Thaksin is FAKING to be a peasant savior just like Lee Kuan Yew was pretending to be socialist with the Barisan in his yougest days. He pretended to be with the Barisan, pretended to be friend and commerade of Lim Chin Siong & Chia Thye Poh & Dr Lee Siew Chow etc.

Then what happened in the end?

LKY arrest hundreds of his own commerades mostly under ISA, some under other charges, threw them all in jail to rot for long long time and Barisan was finished because of one fucking traitor Lee Kuan Yew! A CCB!

Thaksin is doing exactly the same to the Thai peasants, they will find themselves much poorer and suffering more at the end of the day if Thaksin power became firm and dominance and all other political opponents finished like Barisan & many other lost parties in Singapore. Peasants' children have to work entire life as prostitutes and Ah-Kua to sell their bodies and souls to any one who can pay just a little money.

 

[matamafia]

Now you know why the Lee clan will not sue you. Now you know why when you asked about camera flash, the DPP did not intervene. You have no clue about anything.

LKY ALWAY only pick those he can fix and bully to take on.

He sized everyone up and categorized, if you are in the category that he deemed to surely get positive gains to fix, then he will only pay the price to do it.

There were stronger fighters in early days of Singapore including a female teacher Mdm Leong Soh, and some others that LKY will never dare to touch. He is an obvious political coward. Those LKY had tried to fix are already deemed by himself as GOOD TO BULLY.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

You know what is really "cheap" Yap Keng Ho, your talk, better still "worthless".

Is the PAD group going to do even 1/4 for the majority thai peasants what Thaksin did for them? Thus far the answer is a resounding pathetic NO. Moreover is the PAD group going to feather its own nest? The answer appears to be YES. So again I ask how is all this going to benefit the majority peasant thais? What is the point of playing your dubious self-righteous self-inflated ego militant radicalism that bears NO real fruit for the majority ordinary citizens?

Back to Thaksin, you have failed to address critical questions like 1) Thakisn became a billionaire before he became PM; 2) No real substantive corruption charges have been proven against Thaksin notwithstanding his ouster took place more than 2 years ago. As for the drug smear against Thaksin, that is all it is a despicable smear by you without any basis or substance.

Look I am not saying that Thaksin does not have flaws and bad points, but compared to the rest of the Thai politicians past and present, he appears to be the most competent and capable of a bad lot. Unlike the rest, he has produced tangible beneficial results for the majority thai peasants never seen before or since and that is what really counts and matters. Perhaps what needs to be done is to try to put in place a system that is more accountable and transparent without getting rid of the competent and capable leadership altogether and truly sharing power and fair equity amongst all sectors of thai society as reasonably and practically as possible.

As for "communists" being the only "real fighters" for the poor, history has long since shown that communism is an utter failure as a sustainable political system of governance, with the top commies invariably enjoying the fruits at the expense of the majority peasants not forgetting the genocide and other atrocities carried out in the name of "communism".

It is easy and cheap to vow in the name of Thai peasants, the simple rural people had been used and exploited by Thug-Sin.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Like I told Yap, talk is cheap and worthless. Proof is in the eating of the pudding and the thai peasants have eyes, they can see and are not as stupid as you and the PAD make them out to be.

Thai peasants have openly said, they do not care if Thaksin is indeeed corrupt because all thai politicians past and present are likewise corrupt. Hopwever the crucial difference is that Thaksin actually made their lives better and raised their standards of living, something which the other politicians past and present have failed to do.

At the end of the day we do not live in a perfect pure world.

Thaksin is FAKING to be a peasant savior just like Lee Kuan Yew was pretending to be socialist with the Barisan in his yougest days. He pretended to be with the Barisan, pretended to be friend and commerade of Lim Chin Siong & Chia Thye Poh & Dr Lee Siew Chow etc.

Then what happened in the end?

LKY arrest hundreds of his own commerades mostly under ISA, some under other charges, threw them all in jail to rot for long long time and Barisan was finished because of one fucking traitor Lee Kuan Yew! A CCB!

Thaksin is doing exactly the same to the Thai peasants, they will find themselves much poorer and suffering more at the end of the day if Thaksin power became firm and dominance and all other political opponents finished like Barisan & many other lost parties in Singapore. Peasants' children have to work entire life as prostitutes and Ah-Kua to sell their bodies and souls to any one who can pay just a little money.

 

[uncleyap]

Now you know why the Lee clan will not sue you. Now you know why when you asked about camera flash, the DPP did not intervene. You have no clue about anything.

I am giving you a brute answer regarding all these.

I deal with my fight in my own ways, you are not not me, you don't fight like me, so don't expect the same from the famiLEE LEEgime, they don't treat everyone in the same way. I don't fight like you, I don't hold the same principles as you, so I won't get the same things from famiLEE LEEgime.

Differences shows.

I am prepared to give famiLEE LEEgime what they can not afford to take, and they avoid to give me the opportunity. I am prepared to cause them hurt which is more than what they can do to hurt me. I shared this with many but they are limited by their own principles and considerations, and unable to do the same. If famiLEE LEEgime thinks I would appologize to them like the 10 SDP CEC members, then they will also sue me. There is nothing more simple than this.

I used to restrain and limited myself too much, in order to work with others. But this is only acceptable for very short term and not for longer terms. It is too much of compromise and restrains. Old Dog thief found out that he could even stop me from attacking his ass over NKF by suing SDP, that my giving of considerations to others was well as compromizing self-restrains will help him to get what he wanted, I will disallow him that via another price I paid - that is to disregard how famiLEE LEEgime would harm other fighters. That I will not be stopped regardless what they could do to others.

You take this note.

 

[uncleyap]

And why is that so?

One clear reason is red dot is tiny.

What is your version of answer? What are you trying to say?

 

[uncleyap]

PAD is not Thug-Sin.

While I can acknowledge that Thug-Sin handed out some honey to the rural peasants, I insist that many people in Thailand already see through these CHEAP TRICKS.

It is none other than famiLEE LEEgime's progress package etc.

Yes, Singaporean also received some honey, but question is Should they then fall for these CHEAP TRICKS?



Communists are made up by Workers & Farmers themselves who joined revolution and fought against wealthy and dominance merchants + rulers - bastards such as Thug-Sin & famiLEE. Therefore regardless how you can say communism failed etc, the communist are the only real fighters for the farmers & peasants because THEY ARE THESE EXPLOITED PEASANTS THEMSELVES.

My whole point is Thug-Sin is NOT the real fighter for the poor Thai peasants, he really is what the peasants should better recognize and realize as their true enemy, complete exploiter and con-man. If the simple rural peasants want to stand up and fight they should either take reference from communists or Maoists or people's power or democratic route or Polish Anti-Communism route (aka Lech Wałęsa<!-- end HTML --> ) but they should never never never be led by a Capitalism Business Tycoon Exploiter Con-man such as Thug-Sin.

Thug-Sin is identical to Old Dog Thief LKy in this aspect of falsehood, that he pretended to be a socialist left wing mixing among Chia Thye Poh & Lim Chin Siong etc which he betrayed and backstabbed. Becaue LKy's background is already a misfit amongthe circle of Barisan Socialists that he is a British educated and British trusted lawyer graduated from London and loyal to London. This is a profile of a Barisan Socialist traitor. Thug-Sin's profile is a farming peasants' traitor - Same Same.

 

[uncleyap]

Yes yes yes!

Enough? Yes Thai peasants had been given some honey by Thug-Sin, so what?

 

[cleareyes]

It is easy and cheap to vow in the name of Thai peasants, the simple rural people had been used and exploited by Thug-Sin.

Thug-Sin's background is a business con man, a thug styled one. His political career is only a part of his family business and collaboration with cronies. Just like the famiLEE. More precisely, he entered politics in order to have power to make more businesses and financial gains for his Shinawatra family & group of cronies. Political power is what they aim to be exploited for business advantages at this stage - later will be dominance like famiLEE LEEgime in this red dot.

For a business & $$$$$$ background of Thug-Sin, he can not be one that really care for rural peasants. He is just MORE CUNNING in exploiting these rural voters. More COMPLETE EXPLOITATION in other words.

If his own background was a farmer instead of a telecom tycoon, then I won't say this.

He is basically a thug, remember the thousands of so claimed drug gang members he shot dead in the streets when he 1st came to power? That were extra-judiciary executions. It was alleged that Thug-Sin was himself making money from drug before he was elected PM, he did this to white wash his own background when some US agencies were revealing his drug background. 2 of his key election aids and close family assistants were convicted of trafficking drugs very close to his election.

This is same again with LEE KUAN YEW famiLEE's dealings with Burmese drug rings and drug money laundering. Thug-Sin is the closest Thai PM in dealing with the traditionally hostile enemy of Thailand - Burma junta. That is why Thai generals will never like Thug-Sin.

In any economic pyramid of exploitations, rural peasants are ALWAYS at the very bottom to be screwed, this applies across the whole world and most parts of history. The only political faction that really fight for rural peasants are the communists and Thug-Sin is exactly the opposite of communists, because he is a business tycoon thug changed to famiLEE styled Shinawatra-LEEgime ruler + crony networks.

Thug-Sin's honey are liken to famiLEE LEEgime's progress package & other hand-outs to buy votes. Basically give $1 now take back $50 later. Simple rural peasants got fooled, gave their votes to the thugs. Singaporean kiasus also got fooled, not to say Thai farmers.:p

Thug-Sin's gesture to rural peasants are well staged Wayangs, similar to famiLEE LEEgime's Wayangs. Identical to PAp claiming to take care of people etc craps.

Who will believe that a politician with Thug-Sin's background will be fighting for peasants in the rural? You are right about these peasants suffered for ages, I know that farmers sent their daughters to Bangkok to work as prostitutes usually because their family is too poor, this had been for many generations. Is Thug-Sin from such a family? His Shinawatra family is filthy filthy rich! Will not even do any business with farmers! Their partners includes Termasek!

it just come to my mind that you were not really concern with democracy in thailand. its been a known fact that thai politics had been currupted and many former prime ministers had to spend time and money buying support in oder for them to stay up, many of which could not keep up and end up replaced.

thaksin aint more currupted as those before him, in fact his record of helping the majority thai rural had yielded many grateful supporters and this can still be seen today as many thais still want thaksin and his party around.

it seems to me u r only intereste din this because thaksin had done business with LKY and anything related to LKY u r against. its like ur blind hate for LKY had u covered up on anything that could be directly or indirecly related to him and u just shot without bothering the actual background.

honestly speaking, i think u r going insane with ur blind hatre and i m sure today, had chee or even the late JBJ made peace with LKY, u wuld have turn ur guns against them as well.

 

[scroobal]

We are still wondering why you have not been sued despite all your comments in your blog against the Lee Family. Care to explain. Care to explain why DPP did not stop you except when Ms Chee.

 

[uncleyap]

I already made it clear that I refuse to hold flags for Democracy & Human Rights, because these noble ideas are too much burdens for practical reform. Democracy is too idealistic while seriously flawed due to it's neglect of impure human nature such as cowardice and selfishness and greed.

I made it clear a long time ago, that I will not blindly follow any person including CSJ & JBJ, and I support them because LKy want to squash them and they both fight bravely against LKy.

Even with LKy showed remorse and repent and worked with CSJ I will still insist to punish him for his evil deeds, any one that wish to let LKy off will have to find fault with me first I don't care who that might be, really.

 

[uncleyap]

We are still wondering why you have not been sued despite all your comments in your blog against the Lee Family. Care to explain. Care to explain why DPP did not stop you except when Ms Chee.

http://sammyboy.com/showpost.php?p=83634&postcount=50

The answer is given there and you please read.

No body is stopping me. I decided not to continue my line of questions because there are actually more significant ways I can go about it, and those questions were originally not very important to me. Not necessary for others to be so stressed because of this tiny thing. It is trivial thing.

 

[scroobal]

http://sammyboy.com/showpost.php?p=83634&postcount=50

The answer is given there and you please read.

No body is stopping me. I decided not to continue my line of questions because there are actually more significant ways I can go about it, and those questions were originally not very important to me. Not necessary for others to be so stressed because of this tiny thing. It is trivial thing.

So you don't know why they have not sued you yet. Maybe I can help you here with one example.

Asking about camera flash for so long does not affect anyone except those dissidents who have engaged lawyers, baby sitters, took paid and unpaid leave, paid transport charges and incurred other expenses and had time wasted. The enemies of the Lee clan suffer and not the Lee clan, courtesy of you.

So the rest of Singapore wonders what the hell you are doing.

 

[cleareyes]

Even with LKy showed remorse and repent and worked with CSJ I will still insist to punish him for his evil deeds, any one that wish to let LKy off will have to find fault with me first I don't care who that might be, really.

i think this line tells it all.

u r not against curruption, u r not against lack of democracy. u r just against LKY and anything to do with him.

sorry man but u have lost it.

 

[uncleyap]

i think this line tells it all.

u r not against curruption, u r not against lack of democracy. u r just against LKY and anything to do with him.

sorry man but u have lost it.

Wrong again!

I am against corrupt, and I will not forgive that.

I fight against Greed; Selfishness; Cowardice; Falsehood & Exploitations. I fight to Eliminate and Punish such bastards.

I refuse to hold flags for Democracy & Human Rights, because those noble ideas meant forgiving the bastards and don't brutalize them.

If there were Selfless; Brave; Truthful and Public Serving Dictators, I will be willing to consider to accept them. Are there such dictators? Yes! LKy was a little like that in his younger days, his salary was very low in those days, he was initially with Barisan Socialists; Not so Arrogant; Not so Fake; PAp Govt were not doing business in those days; Cost of living was low; Education & Health Care were nearly FOC; there was still NanYang University; there were Chinese schools; Malay & Indian schools; Non-Govt schools; Public Housing & Transportation were Cheap; there were no CUNT; no Termasek; no GRC; no ERP; no COE; no $Fine$ City; no Defamation Suits; no FTs! LKy wasn't passing political power to his own son then; Despite that I was too young then to be opposing, I felt the LEEgime wasn't so unacceptable then.

Yes there were the same media control and ISA, and there was no Internet.

Even then PAp wasn't single-handedly controlled by famiLEE, there were the old guards e.g. Ong Pang Boon, Lim Kim San, Hon Swee Sen etc & they are not always in agreement with LKy, Devannair is one that had clearly fought against LKy later. the entire cabinet's payroll added up those days is still less than one Ass Loong!

Those days' PAp were no so big ego; big mouth; more humble and truthful. They were not all the highly educated elites, hawkers; cab drivers; barbers were among PAp MPs in early days, they were not so out of touch with peoples' reality. There were no bragging 1st world or World First. There were no bragging of super-hero SAF, even NDP those days were more down to earth and practically acceptable. Govt those days will not burn billions of dollars on failed craps like today.

There were No Democracy also in those early days, and PAp still walked over because Barisan Walked-Out and there were not much opposition to contest. But regardless that there was no democracy, things were still much much more acceptable than today. These were the way things were before late Mr. JBJ won in Anson. Today's reality is so different such that beside standing up and fight, there is no alternative.

Corruption those days were NOT LEEgalized in those early days, that is one most significant thing. The matas will accept money for not giving you a ticket, unlike today, but actually Singapore's true corruption problem today is 100X worst then those days because corruption had been LEEgalized. CPIB was found only later, today it enforces LEEgalized corruption literally!

http://uncleyap.blogspot.com/2006/06/corrupt-practices-investigation-bureau.html

It is sadly a victory for corrupts like Teh Chiang Wan, especially him actually.

Because Old Dog Thief had LEEgalized Corruption due to bloody Teh Chiang Wan essentially. LEEgalized so that greedy self-serving ministers can now make themselves rich without breaking any law and cause famiLEE LEEgime a scandal like Teh Chiang Wan. Without scandals like these, LKy had smooth sailed of his One-Party Monopoly LEEgime for so many decades until can be past down to Eunuch Goh & Ass Loong Son.

[for a very simplified comparison on famiLEE LEEgime's current scenario, please read:

http://sammyboy.com/showpost.php?p=83161&postcount=1

or

http://uncleyap.blogspot.com/2008/11/i-found-this-dying-illustration-of.html

:-) this a real example shown in photo and video. Video may only work in blog and not Sammyboy.Com]