Tan Kin Lian - Opposition Participation & Coming Election

[Ramseth]

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/12/opposition-participation-and-coming.html

I support three politicians for their political views and the sacrifices that they are making for the future of Singapore - to bring a more accountable system and a better economic system for Singapore:

1. Chee Soon Juan
2. Kenneth Jeyaretnam
3. Goh Meng Seng

I hope that the public will view them in the same light.

 

[BusNo64]

Originally Posted by Tan Kin Lian
I support three politicians for their political views and the sacrifices that they are making for the future of Singapore - to bring a more accountable system and a better economic system for Singapore:

1. Chee Soon Juan
2. Kenneth Jeyaretnam
3. Goh Meng Seng

I hope that the public will view them in the same light.

:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:

 

[Rogue Trader]

WP leh????

 

[TracyTan866]

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/12/opposition-participation-and-coming.html

How abt CST, LTK, SL, JG?

 

[po2wq]

if ah lian din say dey r goot, dat means dey r lousy lor! ...

 

[Sideswipe]

so Mr Tan supports the Generalissimo minus 10 Ranks Goh Meng Seng.

 

[Ramseth]

How abt CST, LTK, SL, JG?

How I know? Maybe there're differences or maybe he's neutral on them, I don't know. He didn't mention. Personally, I'd support LTK and SL. CST I did support but think he's too old. No comment on JG.

 

[TracyTan866]

How I know? Maybe there're differences or maybe he's neutral on them, I don't know. He didn't mention. Personally, I'd support LTK and SL. CST I did support but think he's too old. No comment on JG.

To me, any one opposition the pap deserves support. they have made enough sacrifices.

Although he may not be your friend, you still support him because he is your enemy's enemy

 

[Ramseth]

To me, any one opposition the pap deserves support. they have made enough sacrifices.

Although he may not be your friend, you still support him because he is your enemy's enemy

Well said well said, up your points.

 

[jw5]

To me, any one opposition the pap deserves support. they have made enough sacrifices.

Although he may not be your friend, you still support him because he is your enemy's enemy

Some opposition members are more friendly towards the pap than their fellow oppositon members for a simple reason. And that is because they are in this for themselves and not for the people of Singapore. They ingratiate themselves towards those whom they think can benefit them most, and they fear those who are a threat to their own personal ambitions. Of course, the former can include fellow opposition members and the latter can include pappies as well.

Some opposition members are in this more so to oppose the pap and to voice out their own personal grievances, than to help and benefit fellow Singaporeans. Anyone who helps them to oppose the pap and share a personal grievance, is their friend. This lot appears to have lost the plot on what is the purpose of having an opposition in the first place.

Don't know where TKL stands and don't really care. But I'm interested to know whether he still thinks that a person who purports to represent the people, should get a petition from the voters before he decides whether or not to stand for election.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Dear JW5,

It is NOT about friendly or anti-PAP stance for opposition members!

It is about whether you can speak up for the people's interests or not. You could well be speaking up but engage in a more positive way without taking PAP as "enemy". They are just opponents of differing views on policy directions.

It is not right to say that because some are "friendly" with PAP that means they are in for their own interests. What interests are you talking about? It is just a matter of different engagement methodologies.

In fact, most middle ground voters would appreciate people who engage politics in a more balanced and "positive" ways; in the simplest saying, "not opposing for the sake of opposing". That is why WP is quite successful in capturing this group of voters.

There is no need to "go all out" to declare or act in a way that PAP is "devious enemy". For the middle ground, they still feel that PAP's rule provides the necessary stability and not totally wrong on some policies. They just want some selective opposition members to provide more rational policy discourse in parliament serving as a check and balance to PAP.

If we are to win the confidence and trust of the middle ground, it will not help us if we are all out to hammer PAP as though everything it did was wrong. The middle ground voters are not stupid. They are educated and discerning on various issues. They are conservative in the sense that they do not view potential disruptive behaviors of enmity between opposition parties and PAP in positive light. In fact that is why PAP's MSM has always sent subliminal messages of politicians throwing chairs and tables in Taiwanese parliament as examples of "ills of democracy".

WP and I to a certain extent, understands this very well. Of course I have "handicaps" to start with and I have to position myself right in the middle, the true moderate positioning. I have to make enough noises on policy issues, not targeting against personalities of PAP key personnel. The middle ground will take note of those who can make good points on policy issues and ignore those constant hammering on PAP based on rhetorical bashing.

Of course, we cannot please everyone in the process. Some hardcore anti-PAP people here and at large will not like it when "friendly engagement" is made with PAP. eg. photo taken with PAP MP and certain praises being made. But I hope that all these must be viewed in context.

Goh Meng Seng

Some opposition members are more friendly towards the pap than their fellow oppositon members for a simple reason. And that is because they are in this for themselves and not for the people of Singapore. They ingratiate themselves towards those whom they think can benefit them most, and they fear those who are a threat to their own personal ambitions. Of course, the former can include fellow opposition members and the latter can include pappies as well.

Some opposition members are in this more so to oppose the pap and to voice out their own personal grievances, than to help and benefit fellow Singaporeans. Anyone who helps them to oppose the pap and share a personal grievance, is their friend. This lot appears to have lost the plot on what is the purpose of having an opposition in the first place.

Don't know where TKL stands and don't really care. But I'm interested to know whether he still thinks that a person who purports to represent the people, should get a petition from the voters before he decides whether or not to stand for election.

 

[Alamaking]

Is this Joke of The Week or what? please move on....

 

[Rogue Trader]

To me, any one opposition the pap deserves support. they have made enough sacrifices.

Although he may not be your friend, you still support him because he is your enemy's enemy

actually WP's Yaw shin long might disagree with you.

 

[Ramseth]

Is this Joke of The Week or what? please move on....

You're still alive?! Bus 64 looking for you.

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?t=81810

 

[jw5]

Of course, we cannot please everyone in the process. Some hardcore anti-PAP people here and at large will not like it when "friendly engagement" is made with PAP. eg. photo taken with PAP MP and certain praises being made. But I hope that all these must be viewed in context.

Goh Meng Seng

I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote that post. In fact, I wasn't thinking of or referring to anyone, it was just a general comment.

There's no need to be so sensitive or self conscious.

 

[Ramseth]

I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote that post. In fact, I wasn't thinking of or referring to anyone, it was just a general comment.

There's no need to be so sensitive or self conscious.

Forgive him, for he forgets not what he did.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote that post. In fact, I wasn't thinking of or referring to anyone, it was just a general comment.

There's no need to be so sensitive or self conscious.

Dear JW5,

I am speaking in general. LTK also praises PAP some time.

I am in particularly focus on your comment about being friendly to PAP means opposition members are for self interests. That to me, is over generalization.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[jw5]

I am in particularly focus on your comment about being friendly to PAP means opposition members are for self interests. That to me, is over generalization.

Goh Meng Seng

The statement above is of course an over-generalization.

But my comment was "Some opposition members are more friendly towards the pap than their fellow opposition members for a simple reason".
The term "friendly" is of course not meant to be interpreted literally.

 

[jw5]

Forgive him, for he forgets not what he did.

You mean microanalysing the meanings of "taking care" and "looking after"?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

The statement above is of course an over-generalization.

But my comment was "Some opposition members are more friendly towards the pap than their fellow opposition members for a simple reason".
The term "friendly" is of course not meant to be interpreted literally.

As I have explained, just like what MBT says, whatever course of actions we make, it is for the consideration of how to win votes. Some think that by hammering all the way at PAP will win them enough votes to get into parliament while others think that projecting a rational, gentleman, approachable image will get them into parliament.

But for you to suggest that friendly towards PAP means self interest is just too far off the mark. You mean PAP will give those who are more friendly more goodies? Nah.

Goh Meng Seng