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Tan Cheng Bok places hex on his former lord's election results

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Outcome of reserved presidential election will affect votes at next GE: Tan Cheng Bock
Former presidential candidate Tan Cheng Bock said President Halimah Yacob's walkover victory prompted a great outpouring of anger and frustration, and has thrown up a new obstacle for the ruling People's Action Party (PAP).PHOTO: ST FILE
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DEC 16, 2017, 9:27 PM SGT
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DEC 16, 2017, 11:07 PM
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SINGAPORE - Singapore's first reserved presidential election will weigh on the minds of voters when the next general election comes around, said former presidential candidate Tan Cheng Bock on Saturday(Dec 16).

President Halimah Yacob's walkover victory prompted a great outpouring of anger and frustration, and has thrown up a new obstacle for the ruling People's Action Party (PAP), he noted at a forum on the country's political future.

It will affect how people vote at the next general election, he said, in his first full remarks after the presidential election, which was reserved for Malay candidates.

"Singaporeans felt they were deprived of their democratic right to vote for a president of their choice," said the former PAP MP of 26 years, who lost the 2011 presidential election by a razor-thin margin.

"How you capitalise on this is a task for any politician wanting to see a change. And a change can only come if the electorate sends a strong signal by voting for more alternative MPs in Parliament."

Dr Tan repeatedly urged Singaporeans to step forward and help bring about change at the forum, which was part of the Future of Singapore series curated by veteran urban planner Tay Kheng Soon.


An audience of about 150 people quizzed Dr Tan on various topics during a lively two-hour question-and-answer session, ranging from whether he would set up his own political party to whether he would help bring opposition parties together. They included Singapore Democratic Party chairman Paul Tambyah and former National Solidarity Party secretary-general Lim Tean.

Revealing his post-election plans for the first time, the veteran former MP said: "I'll keep my options open, but I would also love to be a mentor to many people who want to go into the political arena."

"I'll teach them the art of winning the elections... I want to be a mentor. I've got knowledge, information. I know how Singapore runs, how it ticks," he added.

He is open to helping aspiring politicians across party lines including those from the PAP, he said, as his objective is to train good MPs who will think of Singapore first, regardless of party affiliation.

Dr Tan added that he has met "quite a few", without elaborating.

Regarding his his constitutional challenge on the timing of the reserved election which was dismissed by the High Court and Court of Appeal, Dr Tan said he took it up as "a concerned citizen".

He hopes to encourage Singaporeans to do the same, and challenge the Government when they feel something is amiss.

He also urged those interested in politics to get a better understanding of bread-and-butter issues such as transport and education.

"Singaporeans need more convincing on how alternative parties can address issues of the day that affect them," he said.

He also gave his thoughts on the current slate of PAP leaders, whom he felt could have more diverse views and backgrounds.

Recalling how then-prime minister Lee Kuan Yew wooed him into politics, Dr Tan said: "I told him frankly I wasn't enamoured with the PAP at all. He said, 'If people like you don't come forward, how are we going to bring the country forward... I don't want yes men'. That's why I went in."

Dr Tan said that he spoke up often in his years as an MP and did not always toe the party line, citing how he had voted against the Nominated MP scheme.

He added that he does not want to set up his own party "just yet", as that would just add to the number of existing political parties here.

Dr Tan was repeatedly asked if he would help rally the various opposition parties together.

These parties have their own agendas, and "too many of them have their pride and will not want to give up their positions", he noted.

But, he said: "My hope is that if all the political parties can come together, I don't mind being your mentor, being your neutral man, to see whether you can come to some understanding."

Ms Felicia Tan, 30, a communications consultant, agreed with Dr Tan that the reserved election could be a pain point for the PAP.

"There was a lot of unhappiness with the PAP in the years before 2011 GE, because they didn't handle population matters well, for example. And voters showed they were unhappy when they went to vote," she said.

" There was a lot of anger over the walkover and the changes to the elected presidency this year too, and I know the election is years away - but it's going to be an anger that will stick with some people even then."
 

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"I'll teach them the art of winning the elections... I want to be a mentor. I've got knowledge, information. I know how Singapore runs, how it ticks," he added.
Nabeh, want to copy Captain Goh's pattern. At least Capt Goh walk the talk, stood under different flags.

TCB only dare stand under Thunder Flag. No balls to stand as opposition.
 

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this loser can't get over it. naggy and crybaby. there's marina bay to drown his sorrows (no pun intended).
 

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Tan Bok Bok takes a dig at Pinky,,,,

Dr Tan Cheng Bock: Lee Hsien Loong is not Lee Kuan Yew
Published on 2017-12-18 by The Online Citizen
Answering to a question from the audience about what he feels about the difference between the new and old generation of leaders of People's Action Party (PAP), Dr Tan Cheng Bock shared that the leadership of current Prime Minister Lee Hsieng Loong is unlike his father, late Lee Kuan Yew in many ways.

Dr Tan was sharing his views on the elected presidency and what it means for Singapore forward at the Kent Ridge Guild House, in a forum by Future of Singapore (FOSG) on Sunday (16 Dec).

FOSG is a local registered company which aims to spur discussions among Singaporeans on how to move the country forward by sharing views and information from subject matter experts and influential figures.

Dr Tan, a former PAP MP and near-winner in the Presidential Election 2011 shared that he had not been a compliant MP for the party who does not toe the party line and will always air his views.

The only thing that was keeping him there was that the PAP leaders did not expect him, the only backbencher to be elected by the PAP cadre to go into the Central Executive Committee, something which should not be possible in the PAP system as members are told who they should vote for. In that particular year that he was elected, the nomination was left open for nomination from the floor, he was nominated and won very big.

Dr Tan shared that many times the PAP leaders told that they will be sacking him but never did so because they knew that he has no hidden agenda and that his agenda is very clear, which is the country comes first.

"When I always stand up, they are very shocked why I vote against." Citing the Nominated Members of Parliament(NMPs) which he voted against, saying that the people do not want these NMPs to speak on their hobby subjects.

He then turned to state that he also publicly objected the appointment of Ho Ching as the head of Temasek Holdings.

"The wife of the Prime Minister should be an important position, there must be no element of conflict, should be someone who is very neutral but we put her in charge of a government institution like Temasek. Very very dangerous, I see it but they don't."

He said that he feels that there will be a lot of conflict of interest and he thinks history has shown that there have been conflicts of interest.

Worried leadership because all of the same mold

Dr Tan commented that the current leadership is worried, worried because their radar is out of place.

"There is a lot of difference between here. Leadership very stable during Lee Kuan Yew. He had many scouts, they are all not from the same mold, all from the grounds, later on, they had a lot of academics from the civl service."

"Lee Kuan Yew took the trouble to get someone to come and find , not only me but a group of us."

They all think very all together, because they came from the same mold. Told many of my friends, if they are all one kind, they are going to die.

But when you have not many options to take, that will be disastrous, the current leadership is very different from the time I was.

Dr Tan recalls being told by LKY, that he doesn’t want Yes man. "So that’s why I went in, although I have a very checked history from the days of army."

Dr Tan also shared that he got a shock of his life when the Oxley saga was debated in parliament.

He said that the Parliament is not the right place, "why did you allow it? Should go to court to settle it."

"What does it indicate for the leadership, if many of us were in parliament, we would have objected to it. Things have changed."

LKY will never run away from a fight

Citing the debates in the amendments to the elected presidency, Dr Tan said, "Lee Kuan Yew will never run away from any fight. Even if he was in the wrong he will challenge you."

He noted that in the first debate on the matter, PM Lee said something about taking an advice from the Attorney General, however, when the matter of advice was questioned by Member of Parliament, Sylvia Lim, it was Deputy Teo Chee Hean who answered on his behalf. And when DPM Teo was questioned on the matter by Ms Lim, Minister Chan Chun Sing answered on his behalf. And when Minister Chan was questioned by Ms Lim, it was Minister of Law and Home Affairs who answered on his behalf.

Dr Tan said, "To me this is ridiculous, you make a stand, you answer for it, you don't run away from it."

Dr Tan also recalled another experience during his days in Parliament being walloped as a defiant PAP MP.

At one of the parliamentary sessions, Dr Tan took issue with the primary school text books produced by the Ministry of Education. Producing the textbooks at parliament, Dr Tan took out a page from the primary school textbook and asked the Ministers and MPs if they knew what "Vegetative Propagation", and questioned the ministry on its concept of teaching.

After his speech, Dr Goh Keng Swee who was then Minister of Education, chased him around the house and reprimanded him, "Young man, you did a wrong thing, don't scold me in public. But you did the right thing, I will get it changed."

"This is the quality of our old leader, prepared to accept that they are wrong and ready to change." said Dr Tan.
 

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the PAP can stop him from becoming the President. ... but they can't stop him from being an MP again..... so the ball is now in TCB court.. :smile:
 

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lately he's offering himself as a "mentor" for aspiring opponent candidates. he has that "mentor" minisinister ambition patterning himself as another old fart. what a delusional loser!
 
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