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Tamil rule in South East Asia. A short history.

syed putra

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Some years ago there was yet another local academic who made another dubious claim that the Bujang Valley civilisation in Kedah (Bhujangga means serpent) was not of Indian origin. Instead it was of "some" pagan civilisation ?

Maybe a bunch of Martians stopped by to use the rest area in Merbok and built all those 'candi' in Sungai Batu? You know, just to lepak.

The longest empire (longer than the Roman Empire) to rule a huge swathe of territory was the Tamil Chola empire. The Tamil Cholas ruled from about 400 BC until almost 1300 AD - a time span of almost 1700 years (plus minus sikit lah). The most famous Tamil King was of course Raja Raja Cholan.

Names like Chulia Street and Raja Chulan are obviously linked to the Cholas.

This map below shows the extent of their domains.




Tamil Chola Empire That Lasted 1,700 Years



In contrast the Roman empires (plural) - original, eastern and western - put together lasted less than 1400 years.

Historians will argue if Thailand, Cambodia, all of Indonesia (especially Java, Sumatera and Borneo) and the Malay Peninsula were directly ruled or indirectly ruled by the Tamil Cholas.

But what cannot be denied is that the long passage of time (over 1700 years) of Tamil influence in South East Asia has seen a great influence of the Tamil language and culture in South East Asia. Hence the huge preponderance of Tamil (writing and word usage) in Malay, Thai, Khmer, Javanese and other languages in SEA.

For example in Tamil, bhoomi means earth and putra means prince.

Another example is Thailand where the Thai Kings have Tamil sounding names. King Bhumipol was actually King Rama IX. His siblings were Ananda and Kalyani. He had a daughter named Ratna. Indonesian President Sukarno also named his Japanese wife Ratna Sari Devi (the Queen of the Essence of Jewels).



Kutai Martadipura in East Kalimantan




Then in East Kalimantan the Indian-Hindu Kutai kingdom ruled for almost 1000 years from 400 AD to about 1400 AD - coinciding with the Tamil Chola empire. (Hence the debates over direct rule or indirect rule by the Cholas).

"Kutai Martadipura is a 4th-century or perhaps much earlier Hindu kingdom located in the Kutai area, East Kalimantan"

"Kutai Martadipura adalah kerajaan bercorak Hindu di Nusantara yang memiliki bukti sejarah tertua. Berdiri sekitar abad ke-4.Pusat Kerajaan ini terletak di Muara Kaman, Kalimantan Timur, tepatnya di hulu sungai Mahakam. Nama Kutai diberikan oleh para ahli mengambil dari nama tempat ditemukannya prasasti yang menunjukkan eksistensi kerajaan tersebut."


In Tamil pura (puram) means city or town. For example Ramnada-puram means Ramnad city or town. Martadi sounds too close to marat-tadi which means the 'base of a tree'.

Here are some old yupa (inscribed stone pillars) that have been found in Kutai in East Kalimantan.






As you can see that is certainly close to Tamil type writing.

What is interesting to note is that despite the
Kutai Martadipura Hindu kingdom's presence in East Kalimantan for about 1,000 years (with its written record - for example that Tamil type script carved onto stones) the usage of this writing (and any other form of written language) disappeared with the disappearance of the Kutai Kingdom around 1400 AD.

Which suggests that the people who inscribed those stones were actual Indian scribes and not native scribes. (Because that particular written language also died out circa 1400 AD).

The same for the Bujang Valley sites in Kedah where you can see similar South Indian writing inscribed onto the stones.

In contrast you also have South Indian type writing on the stones in Angkor Watt in Cambodia. Here is an example :




The major difference is that today's modern Khmer and Thai writing is still derived from the Indian script. For example this is the modern Thai alphabet :




Here is the modern Khmer alphabet :




And here is the Tamil alphabet :





Akhir kalam, most certainly the Tamil Cholas did not imprint so much of their language and culture onto South East Asia in one week or in a few generations.

Their presence throughout South East Asia from the Sulawesi to Vietnam, Thailand, Suwarna-bhoomi, Cambodia, Myanmar and back to India lasted from 400 BC to past 1300 AD - a span of more than 1700 years.
 

syed putra

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Singapore stone. Proof of Tamil rule
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syed putra

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JohnTan

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Some years ago there was yet another local academic who made another dubious claim that the Bujang Valley civilisation in Kedah (Bhujangga means serpent) was not of Indian origin. Instead it was of "some" pagan civilisation ?

Maybe a bunch of Martians stopped by to use the rest area in Merbok and built all those 'candi' in Sungai Batu? You know, just to lepak.

The longest empire (longer than the Roman Empire) to rule a huge swathe of territory was the Tamil Chola empire. The Tamil Cholas ruled from about 400 BC until almost 1300 AD - a time span of almost 1700 years (plus minus sikit lah). The most famous Tamil King was of course Raja Raja Cholan.

Names like Chulia Street and Raja Chulan are obviously linked to the Cholas.

This map below shows the extent of their domains.




Tamil Chola Empire That Lasted 1,700 Years



In contrast the Roman empires (plural) - original, eastern and western - put together lasted less than 1400 years.

Historians will argue if Thailand, Cambodia, all of Indonesia (especially Java, Sumatera and Borneo) and the Malay Peninsula were directly ruled or indirectly ruled by the Tamil Cholas.

But what cannot be denied is that the long passage of time (over 1700 years) of Tamil influence in South East Asia has seen a great influence of the Tamil language and culture in South East Asia. Hence the huge preponderance of Tamil (writing and word usage) in Malay, Thai, Khmer, Javanese and other languages in SEA.

For example in Tamil, bhoomi means earth and putra means prince.

Another example is Thailand where the Thai Kings have Tamil sounding names. King Bhumipol was actually King Rama IX. His siblings were Ananda and Kalyani. He had a daughter named Ratna. Indonesian President Sukarno also named his Japanese wife Ratna Sari Devi (the Queen of the Essence of Jewels).



Kutai Martadipura in East Kalimantan




Then in East Kalimantan the Indian-Hindu Kutai kingdom ruled for almost 1000 years from 400 AD to about 1400 AD - coinciding with the Tamil Chola empire. (Hence the debates over direct rule or indirect rule by the Cholas).

"Kutai Martadipura is a 4th-century or perhaps much earlier Hindu kingdom located in the Kutai area, East Kalimantan"

"Kutai Martadipura adalah kerajaan bercorak Hindu di Nusantara yang memiliki bukti sejarah tertua. Berdiri sekitar abad ke-4.Pusat Kerajaan ini terletak di Muara Kaman, Kalimantan Timur, tepatnya di hulu sungai Mahakam. Nama Kutai diberikan oleh para ahli mengambil dari nama tempat ditemukannya prasasti yang menunjukkan eksistensi kerajaan tersebut."


In Tamil pura (puram) means city or town. For example Ramnada-puram means Ramnad city or town. Martadi sounds too close to marat-tadi which means the 'base of a tree'.

Here are some old yupa (inscribed stone pillars) that have been found in Kutai in East Kalimantan.






As you can see that is certainly close to Tamil type writing.

What is interesting to note is that despite the
Kutai Martadipura Hindu kingdom's presence in East Kalimantan for about 1,000 years (with its written record - for example that Tamil type script carved onto stones) the usage of this writing (and any other form of written language) disappeared with the disappearance of the Kutai Kingdom around 1400 AD.

Which suggests that the people who inscribed those stones were actual Indian scribes and not native scribes. (Because that particular written language also died out circa 1400 AD).

The same for the Bujang Valley sites in Kedah where you can see similar South Indian writing inscribed onto the stones.

In contrast you also have South Indian type writing on the stones in Angkor Watt in Cambodia. Here is an example :




The major difference is that today's modern Khmer and Thai writing is still derived from the Indian script. For example this is the modern Thai alphabet :




Here is the modern Khmer alphabet :




And here is the Tamil alphabet :





Akhir kalam, most certainly the Tamil Cholas did not imprint so much of their language and culture onto South East Asia in one week or in a few generations.

Their presence throughout South East Asia from the Sulawesi to Vietnam, Thailand, Suwarna-bhoomi, Cambodia, Myanmar and back to India lasted from 400 BC to past 1300 AD - a span of more than 1700 years.

Jiuhu's dawn to civilization only started with the second sultan of the malacca sultanate, which was almost certainly a moslem. Before that, jiuhu was in darkness and there was certainly no sign of civiliazation. You are welcome to check with any prominent jiuhu ustaz or imam.
 

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The southern part of India was part of the lost continent of Lemuria, which extended to large parts of Indonesia and southeast Asia.
 

Nice-Gook

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Singapore stone. Proof of Tamil rule
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i am quite amazed at the depth of your knowledge ...had travelled the wedth and breadth of those countries you had mentioned and I too was amazed to find names and places doesn't quite fit the locals..e.g. Kutai in kalimantan ,the locals were proud of themselves as a Kutai but when questions who are the kutais, they draw a blank ...hence my curiosity coupled with the search for the origin of the malays as race did lead to Tamils as the capital of SEA during 1000AD but I don't think they are the ones who brought civilization to this region though the art of padi growing aka wet farming might be Tamils....there was another civilization, also from India in my opinion preceded the Tamils...guess who ?
 

syed putra

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Jiuhu's dawn to civilization only started with the second sultan of the malacca sultanate, which was almost certainly a moslem. Before that, jiuhu was in darkness and there was certainly no sign of civiliazation. You are welcome to check with any prominent jiuhu ustaz or imam.
The entire bujang valley north of penang is littered with ancient Hindu ruins built 1000 years or more ago. But because it's of Hindu origin, jiu hu gahmen not making a fuss over it. Like trying to keep it hidden.
Then here is Angkor wat. Borobudur, or prambanan in jogjakarta, ......
 

syed putra

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Rajaraja inherited a kingdom whose boundaries were limited to the traditional Chola territory centred around Thanjavur-Tiruchirappalli region.[3] At the time of his ascension, the Chola kingdom was relatively small, and was still recovering from the Rashtrakuta invasions in the preceding years. Rajaraja turned it into an efficiently-administered empire which possessed a powerful army and a strong navy. During his reign, the northern kingdom of Vengi became a Chola protectorate, and the Chola influence on the eastern coast extended as far as Kalinga in the north.[4]

A number of regiments are mentioned in the Thanjavur inscriptions.[20][21] These regiments were divided into elephant troops, cavalry and infantry and each of these regiments had its own autonomy and was free to endow benefactions or build temples.[20]
 

JohnTan

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But because it's of Hindu origin, jiu hu gahmen not making a fuss over it. Like trying to keep it hidden.

When one becomes moslem, one is expected to disavow one's heritage and roots, and embrace islamic culture entirely. It's very obvious in pakistan, where the moslems really hate the hindu culture and religion very much even though their own roots are hindu.

I know that in jiuhu, islamist teachers and lecturers routinely insult other races and religions but they never once got charged for blasphemy. Moslem police won't arrest them. Neither would a moslem-led judiciary convict them. That's why PAS was so angry when a non-moslem was appointed as Attorney General.
 

syed putra

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When one becomes moslem, one is expected to disavow one's heritage and roots, and embrace islamic culture entirely. It's very obvious in pakistan, where the moslems really hate the hindu culture and religion very much even though their own roots are hindu.

I know that in jiuhu, islamist teachers and lecturers routinely insult other races and religions but they never once got charged for blasphemy. Moslem police won't arrest them. Neither would a moslem-led judiciary convict them. That's why PAS was so angry when a non-moslem was appointed as Attorney General.
You cannot discuss about Islam openly as cracks may reveal it's weakness. The clerics livelihood depends on them falsifying reality.
Rituals for example are not written or if in the Quran are in a very vague form. But muslims will say its mandatory. When in actual fact, its not.
 

whoami

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I am very happy DAP out of parliament! If i am the PM my 1st target will be Penang. Learnt a thing or two fm PAP in hw to control the minority cheena
 

syed putra

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All of the orang asli types from malay archipelago to Taiwan and japan practice animism. Plus have tattoos,
 
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