Syed and his goons are fake Muslims according to this Muslim scholar.

[crimsondue]

Ah! But it was not suppose to be a book initially. It was later condensed into a book. Mahomet did not write this book for good reason.

The Quran verses are immediately written down by the Prophet's companions. upon revelation And he made them all remember the verses.

By some accounts, the Prophet did have plans to compile them into a book, lest his companions forget. But Uthman manage to do it after the Prophet's death.

 

[crimsondue]

Ah! But it was not suppose to be a book initially. It was later condensed into a book. Mahomet did not write this book for good reason.

Allah has planned such tat it will be compiled into a book as what he has mentioned:

Quran 2:2
"This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allāh."

 

[syed putra]

Allah has planned such tat it will be compiled into a book as what he has mentioned:

Quran 2:2
"This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allāh."

You go ahead and seek guidance from a book. And scholars. There was no mention of rituals in the book.nor was mecca mentioned.

 

[syed putra]

Allah guides me to follow what's in the Quran and the examples and instruction of the Last Prophet.
If you have no details of what form your guidance entails, then you're no different from a christian. Everything can, follow your own nafs (desires). No need for any morality.

And when the west abandoned religion, they achiieved prosperity did they not? They put effort in understanding god's creation through science and knowledge. And freedom and liberty which in unheard of in a theocracy.
And build schools in colonies hoping the natives would understand the power of knowledge.and the irrelevancy of religion.
But of course, today, the leaders of the western world are under the clutches of the few oligarchy billionaires. Hence what seems to be the start of the downfall of western civilisation.

 

[mojito]

Not a true Singaporean if u don't volt the pap.

 

[duluxe]

You mean these relationships don't matter anymore? That he has become somewhat less human because he ditched Islam?

Think again.

Yes, once he left islam he is an unclean infidel. When a muslim practices islam incorrectly or deviated, he is considered an apostate by pious muslim.

@Likemeat said there is no compulsion in islam, he treats a murturd as fellow malay. Why his view contradicted loofy's. Who is correct?

 

[crimsondue]

You go ahead and seek guidance from a book. And scholars. There was no mention of rituals in the book.nor was mecca mentioned.

Yes there is. It commands you to prayer, fast, zakat and Hajj.

Then there's the verse to follow examples of the last prophet.

Also there are verses mecca is mentioned.

 

[crimsondue]

And when the west abandoned religion, they achiieved prosperity did they not? They put effort in understanding god's creation through science and knowledge. And freedom and liberty which in unheard of in a theocracy.
And build schools in colonies hoping the natives would understand the power of knowledge.and the irrelevancy of religion.
But of course, today, the leaders of the western world are under the clutches of the few oligarchy billionaires. Hence what seems to be the start of the downfall of western civilisation.

Wrong again. Islamic world had it's most progress when the various caliphates were ruling.
Similarly, the Catholics were at the forefront of the European Renaissance.
Religion can be the drivers of progress.

 

[syed putra]

Yes there is. It commands you to prayer, fast, zakat and Hajj.

Then there's the verse to follow examples of the last prophet.

Also there are verses mecca is mentioned.

Nope

 

[syed putra]

Wrong again. Islamic world had it's most progress when the various caliphates were ruling.
Similarly, the Catholics were at the forefront of the European Renaissance.
Religion can be the drivers of progress.

The Arab caliphate learned from the Romans who were in decline because of religion ( Christianity). They started burning all non religious books and biggest library in Alexandria was torched to the ground.
All Arabs had to do was salvage these books and learn from it. Greeks, to man, Egyptian and Persian knowledge. Mixed with those from India as Arabs were sailors.

 

[crimsondue]

Nope

Then you're clearly a Murtard. A few rungs lower than a retard.

 

[superpower]

Yes, once he left islam he is an unclean infidel. When a muslim practices islam incorrectly or deviated, he is considered an apostate by pious muslim.

@Likemeat said there is no compulsion in islam, he treats a murturd as fellow malay. Why his view contradicted loofy's. Who is correct?

Then I can only say @Likemeat is less fundamentalist and rigid in his interpretation and practice of Islam.

 

[duluxe]

The so called god that permitted his 'sole' prophet to use violence to expand the religion is definitely satanic.

Guess who pray to satan to seek guidance before jihad?

 

[Hightech88]

@syed putra only wants this. Don't disturb him.

 

[superpower]

The so called god that permitted his 'sole' prophet to use violence to expand the religion is definitely satanic.

Guess who pray to satan to seek guidance before jihad?

Mohamed received his divine revelations telepathically from the Archangel Gabriel. But people don't understand the these transmissions can be biased and colored by the recipient's mind, especially if his mind is filled with certain existing beliefs and prejudices from his own culture.

In Mohamed's case, being born into a warring culture amid ongoing wars with the Meccans tainted his mind and distorted some of these revelations with dogma of violence. Until the Islam purges violence from its doctrines, the religion will not progress.

Having said that, despite Jesus' repeated proclamations of non-violence ('turn the other cheek'), the Catholic church still managed to pervert his teachings and engage in large scale violence like the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch hunts and pograms, all in the name of God. (Gallileo was jailed and Giordano Bruno executed for saying that the earth revolves around the sun.) Passages referring to reincarnation were expunged from the gospels to instill fear in the congregation of eternal damnation in hell and chain them to the Church & clergy.

If not for the scientific and industrial revolutions and the separation of church and state, Christianity would be stuck in the Middle Ages like Islam is today.

 

[Hightech88]

Muslim = religion
Malay = ethnicity

Don't confound religion with ethnicity/culture.

When your forefathers were Hindus 1,500 years ago, were they not Malay? (The Malay language has been around for 2,000 years, confined to coastal Borneo, southern Sumatra and Malay Peninsula.)

Correct. These Muuds are just confused themselves...LOL

Wikipedia - Islam in Malaysia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia

 

[syed putra]

Mohamed received his divine revelations telepathically from the Archangel Gabriel. But people don't understand the these transmissions can be biased and colored by the recipient's mind, especially if his mind is filled with certain existing beliefs and prejudices from his own culture.

In Mohamed's case, being born into a warring culture amid ongoing wars with the Meccans tainted his mind and distorted some of these revelations with dogma of violence. Until the Islam purges violence from its doctrines, the religion will not progress.

Having said that, despite Jesus' repeated proclamations of non-violence ('turn the other cheek'), the Catholic church still managed to pervert his teachings and engage in large scale violence like the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch hunts and pograms, all in the name of God. (Gallileo was jailed and Giordano Bruno executed for saying that the earth revolves around the sun.) Passages referring to reincarnation were expunged from the gospels to instill fear in the congregation of eternal damnation in hell and chain them to the Church & clergy.

If not for the scientific and industrial revolutions and the separation of church and state, Christianity would be stuck in the Middle Ages like Islam is today.

Mohammed's messages as I u nderstand it, was against religion. He wanted to destroy Meccan religious sites. But as you can see, failed miserably.

 

[syed putra]

Correct. These Muuds are just confused themselves...LOL

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Wikipedia - Islam in Malaysia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia

The use of the term " Sultanate" Means the malay monarchies were Influenced by Indian Muslims. Or Turks.
Only Perlis state retain the title Raja, which is of Hindu origin.

 

[superpower]

Mohammed's messages as I u nderstand it, was against religion. He wanted to destroy Meccan religious sites. But as you can see, failed miserably.

He was against polytheism... he wanted to teach a set of values and practices that brought people closer to God but he did not want to found a religion per se that allowed the clergy to intervene between the people and their direct relationship with God.

However, while most of the teachings have great universal moral value, the dogma of violence has continued to taint the religion (and its practitioners) to this day.

 

[syed putra]

However, while most of the teachings have great universal moral value, the dogma of violence has continued to taint the religion (and its practitioners) to this day.

That's because these people have no faith in God.
They think about numerical superiority. Domination. Higher status than the rest. Religions turns people into monsters. Look at Israelis. They justify butchering arabs under their rule based on them being labelled as sub humans and therefore subject to torment and ill treatment.