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Stallholders in row with Workers Party town council

leetahbah

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Mr Low say "Let's move on.."! :biggrin:

Time for WP-run town councils and NEA to move on: Low Thia Khiang

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Mr Low Thia Khiang struck a conciliatory note, saying that the hawkers need peace to do business. -- ST PHOTO: DESMOND WEE

By Andrea Ong

WORKERS' Party (WP) chief Low Thia Khiang sought to draw a line under the long-running dispute over the cleaning of hawker centres in Aljunied GRC yesterday, calling on all parties involved to move on.

Weighing in for the first time on the saga, Mr Low struck a conciliatory note, saying the WP-run Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) will continue to work with the National Environment Agency (NEA) "to solve problems on the ground and to address the issues".

"We should move on from the current issue," he told The Straits Times at his Meet-the-People Session in Aljunied GRC last night.

"I would expect the town council to continue to work with NEA for environmental issues on the ground, be it market hygiene, cleanliness, be it littering, be it the dengue fever issue, be it midges at Bedok Reservoir issues," said the MP for Bedok Reservoir-Punggol division.
 

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Mr Low say "Let's move on.."! :biggrin:.

I dun understand. I could only think of a few possibilities:-
a) WP/AHPETC screwed up. Or ATL screwed up and WP/AHPETC could be implicated
b) Not enough evident to pin down NEA, 商联会 or concern being bogged down by bickering with NEA/"expired" girl-girl so rather go for a truce

What do you think?
 

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I dun understand. I could only think of a few possibilities:-

With the exposure of Ng Kok Khim, the petitions with no signatures etc, the fight has been won. The perception of a majority of Singaporeans is that this was an attempt by the PAP to fix WP. No point in flogging a dead horse.

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Going by their reaction, I am not convinced that this episode had the sanction much less support of many of the PAP elders. It looks more like the case of a small group within the PAP hoping to make a name for themselves. Along the way, they were encouraged by VB who was hoping to reignite his almost extinguished star (YOG and now the huge dengeue outbreak).

As the incident spiraled out of control, everyone kept their distance. VB who encouraged this, was FORCED to make the statement. If he was not FORCED, his style would have been to push it to outgoing NEA CEO Andrew Tan who was the other person encouraging this because of personal political ambition.

For VB, he now looks almost certain to join MBT and Raymond Lim. ex-NEA CEO Andrew Tan's PAP tea invite has been cancelled and he looks set to join PS cum French cook once he comes back from his Advanced Management Diploma.
 
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With the exposure of Ng Kok Khim, the petitions with no signatures etc, the fight has been won. The perception of a majority of Singaporeans is that this was an attempt by the PAP to fix WP. No point in flogging a dead horse.

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Ms How Weng Fan, former Hougang Town Council employee
Mr Danny Loh, husband
Assentor and proposer for the WP’s team of candidates for Ang Mo Kio GRC in the 2006 general election


Looking at how things are turning out, it may seems that Ng Kok Khim may have acted under the orders of PAP. If Ng Kok Khim proves guilt, can we draw the same conclusion from Ms How Weng Fan and Mr Danny Loh? Or is How Weng Fan and Danny Loh the political albatross of Workers party? :eek:
 

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FM Solutions and Services (FMSS)
Ms How Weng Fan, former Hougang Town Council employee
Mr Danny Loh, husband
Assentor and proposer for the WP’s team of candidates for Ang Mo Kio GRC in the 2006 general election


Looking at how things are turning out, it may seems that Ng Kok Khim may have acted under the orders of PAP. If Ng Kok Khim proves guilt, can we draw the same conclusion from Ms How Weng Fan and Mr Danny Loh? Or is How Weng Fan and Danny Loh the political albatross of Workers party? :eek:

The question is about whether the person has used such affiliations to create an obstruction for the opposing affiliation while pretending to be neutral.

Ng may be guilty of provoking dissension against WP by giving inaccurate information to NEA.

How and Loh have not been heard for doing that. Every day, grassroots like RC, CC, CCC have to apply dozens of permits to the town council which may be opposition or PAP. The opposition TCs run by them have never made it difficult for the PA minions.
 
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Ah Khiang trying to save face ah? His WP candidate James Gomes also "Let's Move On" when proven to be lying. Now Pritam dare not say, Ah Khiang himself come and "Let's Move On". To quote Mr. Brown, move on your silangtao lah Ah Khiang.

Mr Low say "Let's move on.."! :biggrin:
 

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As I had written, I am fairly sure Ng Kok Khim was NOT acting under orders. There were many PAP elders who were very unhappy as things spiraled out of control. These were the actions of a small group within the PAP who was hoping to make a name for themselves. The actions were encouraged by VB and departing NEA CEO Andrew Tan. Once we have moved on, I expect bad things to happen to VB and Andrew Tan.

Looking at how things are turning out, it may seems that Ng Kok Khim may have acted under the orders of PAP.
 
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I dun understand. I could only think of a few possibilities:-
a) WP/AHPETC screwed up. Or ATL screwed up and WP/AHPETC could be implicated
b) Not enough evident to pin down NEA, 商联会 or concern being bogged down by bickering with NEA/"expired" girl-girl so rather go for a truce

What do you think?

I think he does not want to give the impression that politics have become more "quarrelsome" after having more opposition. From Punggol East BE to White Paper to AIMS and FMMS it has been a long unbroken road of squabbles.

It can only be disadvantageous to the opposition because people will revert to the past, and we know the past means a one-PAP-party state again.
 

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I think he does not want to give the impression that politics have become more "quarrelsome" after having more opposition. From Punggol East BE to White Paper to AIMS and FMMS it has been a long unbroken road of squabbles.

It can only be disadvantageous to the opposition because people will revert to the past, and we know the past means a one-PAP-party state again.

So you are saying it's "concern being bogged down by bickering with NEA/"expired" girl-girl " lah?

Ok. Possible.

But I think he should not have bothered to reply those Braddell Road Brothel employees. You should never underestimate the creativity of those lackeys to twist and turn.
 

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LTK is a seasoned man. He will not be drawn so easily into VB's overly inflated blow-up doll. WP in fact has been trying to be reconciliatory from day one but it is NEA and VB who have blown up the doll reasons best known to themselves.

So thus far:

(a) We have a misleading email sent by an NEA staff and no accountability on this issue

(b) We have a hawker's petition that is presented unsigned to the public, and only the PAP's word that most hawkers had assented to it

(c) We have obfuscation over basic issues from NEA, treating blk 511 and 538 as the same incident when they are not

(d) We have a minister who has totally politicized the issue rather than taken a conciliatory approach

(e) Despite all-out effort to discredit WP, no proof that WP has renege on its obligations under TC Act or under NEA's cleaning guidelines for public areas. In fact WP has from the start strongly asserted it is committed to rectifying the situation.

Bottom line, WP only need to stand firm and the issue will automatically resolve. NEA and VB will walk away with black marks on them for posterity.
 

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Interesting read from Mr Alex Au of Yawning Bread

Cleaning market 538 – as clear as m&d | Yawning Bread
Cleaning market 538 – as clear as m&d
Published 13 June 2013 politics and government 11 Comments

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Last Saturday, I asked someone at a barbeque his opinion as to what Singaporeans were thinking with regard to the Aljunied hawker centre controversy. He said he didn’t think people were paying attention to it. Consistent with his observation, I had noticed that there was hardly any online talk about the issue, at least among my circles, but then it was also the same period when the government’s new restriction on online media was the hot-button issue. The latter could have overshadowed it.

Last night, it was revealed that Ng Kok Khim, the chair of the Block 538 Market Association, was a recipient of the People’s Action Party’s (PAP) long service award. With this twist, I am sure people will take notice now. What had been a highly convoluted, as-clear-as-m&d issue is now easily reduced to a contest between Good and Evil. Few things capture popular attention as easily as such a clash. Look at the blockbusters coming out of Hollywood and you will see this principle in action.

I have been reviewing the documents released so far, though several from the National Environment Agency (NEA) are absent from their website. Statements from the Aljunied-Hougang-PunggolEast Town Council (AHPeTC) refer to these NEA media releases, so I know they must exist, but NEA itself doesn’t have them on their website.

Two hawker centres (also known as ‘markets’) are embroiled in the controversy. In this article, I shall deal only with that surrounding Block 538 Bedok North Street 3. Because the details surrounding Block 511 Bedok North Street 3 (about 500 metres away from the former) are different, it is best not to conflate the two.

The controversy is over the cleaning of the “high areas” of Market 538, including the chimneys, exhaust fans, and structural spans supporting the ceiling. Ng and the association allege that, contrary to previous practice, AHPeTC asked hawkers to pay for the scaffolding needed to reach these high areas. The town council denied it.

A post on The Heart Truths has an infographic showing the key events or media releases relating to Market 538. Readers may find it helpful.

Despite spending an afternoon researching, please don’t expect me to provide a definitive account of what really happened. There are still many gaps in the story, but I think it has come far enough for us to form some opinion about what probably happened and how each side behaved.
The parties

There are four parties involved:

The hawkers’ association led by the above-mentioned Ng Kok Khim. From what has emerged so far, there is reason to believe that there was a political motive behind their actions. Alternatively, they had a misunderstanding, and then took advantage of the miscommunication to manufacture an issue for political purposes.
ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd, the cleaning contractor, who are in contracting relationship, not with the hawkers, but with AHPeTC. Throughout the saga, they have remained mysteriously silent, thus presenting us with several unknowns as to what actually happened.
AHPeTC, which seemed to have been caught on the backfoot when the controversy erupted, and has since performed in a rather plodding way in the face of crisis. So far their statements have been reactive, though I can’t see anything that they’ve said to be false or even mis-assumed. But nonetheless, their limited responses gave the impression that they had something to hide.
NEA, which, from what has been revealed so far, appear to be either incompetent or politically-motivated, or both. As a part of the civil service, it should always be scrupulous in party neutrality, but hasn’t shown itself to be so in this case. It has made statements that are contradictory, and at least in one instance, tried to point to “proof” that actually showed they were wrong. The zealous, and highly accusatory role they played strongly suggests a political dimension to it.

More recently, there is also Vivian Balakrishnan, the minister overseeing NEA, who stridently jumped in trying to make political hay out of this issue, only to make a fool of himself, but I shall ignore him.
Early emails leave open questions

The earliest mentions appear in emails exchanged between NEA and AHPeTC, December 2012. On the 20th of that month, the NEA wrote to AHPeTC to say that, based on the hawkers’ wishes, the “next spring cleaning date” [sic] will be a five-day period Monday 4 March to Friday 8 March 2013.

This raises a number of questions for which I have no answers. Is it the normal practice for the hawkers themselves to set cleaning dates when the payer is the Town Council, and the cleaning contractor reports to the town council? If the town council is responsible, why doesn’t the initiative belong to them? That said, the NEA’s email did ask for comments by AHPeTC, so perhaps a consensus among all parties was being sought.

AHPeTC said in reply that they had no problems with the proposed dates, but then asked about the “staging/scaffolding erection and dismantling dates so that TC can arrange accordingly.” This already begins to confuse. If the town council and its contractor were responsible for scaffolding, then why does this question arise? Two possibilities I can think of are:

In this email AHPeTC used the term “staging/scaffolding” to mean putting up the canvas covering over the stalls to prevent dirt from dropping into the cooking spaces. This would be a responsibility of the stallholders themselves, and perhaps AHPeTC was asking whether the hawkers planned to do this outside the five-day window or within it. It will have an impact on how ATL, the contractor, schedules its own work. This sloppy, confusing use of the term “scaffolding” appears to recur through the controversy. In this article I will use the term “canvas covering” to mean this protection exercise, in order to distinguish it from the staging and scaffolding needed to reach and clean the chimneys, exhaust fans, etc. Or,
In this email, AHPeTC really meant staging and scaffolding for cleaning of high fixtures, but there had been some prior communication (not disclosed) about who should pay for it.

Why should the question of who should pay come up? Didn’t the Workers’ Party and AHPeTC say clearly that they knew that the town council was responsible?
Major and minor spring cleaning

This is because there are two kinds of spring cleaning — more problems with sloppy, unclear terminology! Apparently, there is “minor spring cleaning” where the floors and areas reachable by a standing human are cleaned, and “annual major spring cleaning” where the high fixtures are also cleaned. There must altogether be four spring cleanings a year, of which three are minor and one major. AHPeTC noted in its media release of 1 June 2013 that NEA had confirmed on 31 May 2013 that this was the extent of the town council’s obligation.

Somewhere along the way, a hawker was quoted by the press as saying that minor spring cleaning was normally a two-day exercise, while the annual major spring cleaning was a five-day exercise. I don’t know whether this is true. But let’s assume that historically, this has been the case. If so, when the hawkers nominated a five-day period (4 to 8 March 2013), they might have assumed that it would be an annual major spring cleaning.

AHPeTC may take the view that it is not for the hawkers to decide when to do the annual major spring cleaning; it is for AHPeTC, since the town council is the payer. On the other hand, the hawkers could have reason to assume that the March 2013 exercise should be a major one, since the last annual major spring cleaning was done in March 2012. See photographs released by AHPeTC.

There seemed to have been some failure of communication at this point. Could it be that neither side was clear what they were talking about?

More likely, there was some additional, perhaps verbal communication, not yet revealed publicly. I have a suspicion that AHPeTC went back to the hawkers to say, look guys, the annual major spring cleaning for Block 538 isn’t scheduled until October 2013, but if you still want the high areas cleaned in March 2013, then pay for it yourself. It would be additional to the October 2013 major cleaning.

This would explain NEA’s email to AHPeTC on 7 February 2013, saying

. . .the Hawkers Association will make the necessary arrangements with their contractors on the scaffold erection/ dismantling during the spring cleaning period from 4-8 March 2013.

Hawkers sought their own quotation

My conjecture would also explain why Ng Kok Khim and the association sought a quotation from ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd for cleaning the high areas. They did this directly; the town council said they knew nothing of this request for a quote.

pic_201306_06The quotation from ATL, addressed to Ng Kok Khim and the association (click thumbnail at left) was dated 19 February 2013. It clearly says that the scope of work encompassed cleaning the high fixtures, and that it includes the erection of scaffolding.

After the controversy broke, I recall seeing a story in the press saying that the hawkers had requested for a quotation to provide only canvas covering. This was before the quotation letter was made public. Once it became public, it became obvious that whoever told the press (NEA? Hawkers?) that they only wanted a quote for canvas covering was engaging in disinformation. Worse, NEA tried to back up this claim, in its media statement of 9 June 2013:

. . . the documents show that the hawkers of Block 538 of Bedok North Street 3 had expected the hawker centre to be cleaned as per normal during the spring cleaning exercise in March 2013. This was why they had made arrangements for the period including putting up canvas as indicated in the email our officer sent on 7 February 2013 to AHPETC.

What on earth is “as per normal”? What sloppy writing! And most certainly the email of 7 February (quoted above) said nothing about putting up canvas, nor did the quotation that ATL sent to the hawkers association. It isn’t hard for a reasonable person to conclude that the NEA either didn’t know what it was talking about or was trying to mislead.

Even more to its discredit, the NEA accused AHPeTC of not having cleaned the higher fixtures at all in 2012, an accusation the town council could easily show was false. Why, you may rightly ask, was the NEA shooting so zealously?
All quiet for over two months, resurrected in June

Apparently ATL heard nothing from the hawkers after that, so one can surmise scaffolding was not needed after all and that the spring cleaning carried out in March 2013 did not include the high areas.

Then nothing seemed to have happened for two months or more, until late May or early June when the hawkers roused themselves again.

Amazingly, the NEA provided attachments showing what the hawkers wrote to the editors, but they look very strangely formatted. They don’t look like emails; they don’t look like snail mail either. They look like amateurish post-hoc reconstructions of whatever they sent to the media. I shall be interested to see whether the Straits Times editor will release what exactly the newsroom received.Once again, it is very suspicious why NEA is in the business of helping the hawkers speak to the public. Isn’t it for the hawkers to release their letters to the editors? Why the NEA?

On 3 June, they wrote to the editors of mainstream media, the NEA said (Media statement, 9 June 2013, para 5). What the hawkers said to the editors was interesting, shedding a bit more light into the issue. They said (assuming the fragment released by NEA is an accurate facsimile):

Our hawker centre was closed for 5 days from 4-8 March 2013, but cleaning was not properly done. Hawkers have spent $140 each to cover our stalls, lost 5 days of income, but the ceiling, exhaust were not cleaned.

We hope the Town Council will discuss with us on suitable compensation, especially given that the newspaper have reported the Town Council authorised person saying that cleaning of ceiling is within the Town Council’s responsibility and it would bear all costs.

So what can we surmise from the above? Firstly, that even without contracting with ATL, the hawkers managed to canvas-cover their stalls. It contradicts the claim that ATL was asked for a quotation for canvas covering. Secondly, the hawkers expected the high fixtures to have been cleaned (why else would they canvas-cover?).

The latter suggests that AHPeTC did not make it sufficiently clear to the hawkers that the March exercise was a minor spring cleaning. Perhaps AHPeTC staff were themselves hopelessly confused?

On the other hand, one could point out that the very fact that the hawkers sought their own quotation from ATL for cleaning of high fixtures — saying that the quotation was for canvas-covering is simply not believable — would indicate that the hawkers knew very well that there would not be a major cleaning in March. How could they continue to think that ATL would be doing the ceiling work at AHPeTC’s expense?

It is here that a mystery remains. Who knew what? Who believed what? Did hawkers really cover their stalls with canvas? Did they really believe the high fixtures would be cleaned by AHPeTC when their request to ATL for a quotation suggests that they knew well enough that the town council wasn’t scheduling it?

The resurrection of the issue after a hiatus of over two months cries out for an explanation. It is hard to eliminate the possibility that someone saw political advantage in raising the issue again.
The Workers’ Party’s reactive response

The Workers’ Party, which runs AHPeTC, responded in a manner that is quite typical of them — it focusses on answering the specific questions raised without sufficient attention to broader, implied questions in the public’s mind.

The trouble with only dealing with specific questions raised is that the light it sheds is disjointed and patchy. The bits of information revealed do not connect up (and as you can see from my inability to piece together the whole story above, they still do not add up). To the average person, if things don’t add up, there is cause for suspicion that less flattering information is being withheld.

One example was when allegations first surfaced that AHPeTC had asked hawkers to pay extra for the cleaning of high fixtures. In response, AHPeTC insisted several times that no “authorised person” asked hawkers to pay extra. For example, in a media release dated 1 June 2013, the town council said:

We reiterate that no authorized TC staff told any hawker or anyone of any additional charges to be imposed for the cleaning.

But when the hawkers of Block 511 (note: not Block 538) named the person they said told them they would have to pay extra, AHPeTC didn’t look so credible after all.

The NEA last weekend released a letter from hawkers at Block 511 Bedok North Street 3 stating that AHPETC’s property manager Mr Tai Vie Shun had told them they would need to pay extra for scaffolding for high area cleaning.

– Asia One, 7 June 2013, NEA “politically motivated” to tarnish WP town council image: Sylvia Lim. Link.

Still, Sylvia Lim was quoted in the press denying it again:

She maintained that AHPETC staff never approached stallholders to pay extra charges for cleaning.

“Has any stallholder been approached by AHPETC staff or its contractors for the extra charges? If so, please make it public,” she said on Friday.

– ibid.

While I can’t say I know the truth of the matter, I can imagine that AHPeTC may be technically correct, but their replies still fail to connect the dots. Tai Vie Shun could have advised the hawkers that if they wanted an extra unscheduled cleaning of the high areas, they’d have to find their own contractor and pay that contractor themselves. There’s a fine difference between saying that and saying the hawkers had to pay AHPeTC (“charges to be imposed”). The former was advice delivered in his personal capacity; it would not be a demand from AHPeTC for payment from hawkers.

Was that what happened? If not, why doesn’t AHPeTC say out loud what transpired? Why hide behind the expression “no authorised person”. . . .

One of the cardinal rules of crisis management is that one should seize the information initiative. One should not allow oneself to be yanked here and there by the other side’s questions, new ones popping up each day.

The party and AHPeTC should have conducted a thorough internal investigation — better yet, should have commissioned independent third parties to join the review — and announced the full findings. They should have done this urgently; have it completed within three days. If there had been miscommunication or oversight, then admit it. Voters aren’t unforgiving; people can understand small slip-ups and misunderstandings.

I do not think AHPeTC has any major skeleton to hide in its closet, for here is an outfit that has run Hougang for years and years. It has also managed Aljunied for the whole of 2012 with its scheduled major and minor spring cleanings. It is almost inconceivable that they do not know the regulations concerning cleaning of markets. But the halting, piecemeal way they went about defending themselves, issuing cryptic, partial responses and failing to anticipate the implied questions, did them no favours at all.
 

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hahaha...the hawkers of Bedok are truely First World ones...
They cared so much for public hygiene that they requested for additional cleaning and incurred the following expenses/losses...
1. paid SGD140 per stall to set up the scaffolds and cover each stall with canvas
2. suffered loss of income for additional days of closure on top of fixed overhead expenses...
3. prepared to pay for the additional cleaning by asking for quotation from ATL....

Salute to them......lol.
 

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I have been hearing some interesting things. The following is what I believe was going on behind the scenes at the PAP side.

This whole incident did not have the blessing and support of the PAP elders. It was the work of a small group within the PAP who was hoping to make a name for themselves. VB and ex-NEA CEO Andrew Tan were the ring leaders of this small group.

The meeting on June 6th was supposed to close the matter and move on.

Because the episode had spiraled out of control, VB was keeping quiet and doing his best to push the blame to outgoing NEA CEO Andrew Tan.

To avoid getting all of the blame, Andrew Tan issued the press release on 9 June. This was 1 day before he was due to handover to incoming NEA CEO Ronnie Tan. This strange NEA press release on 9 June was not approved by VB or any PAP elder. The petition was released minus the signatures because a validation of the signatures would contradict the previous press report that all but 4 hawkers signed the petition.

In response to the NEA press release on 9 June, WP issued their own press releases that stated that NEA had a political motivation for their recent actions.

VB did not want to issue a statement. He was hoping to keep quiet and push the blame to Andrew Tan. Unfortunately for him, he was FORCED to do so by PAP elders aware that he was the one behind this mess.

Initially there was only supposed to be one statement. Pritam's response FORCED VB to make a second statement.

The killing blow was when the identity of Ng Kok Khim got exposed. This went viral almost immediately along with the awareness of the dubious nature of the petitions.

The msm went into full damage control, issuing an article to hint that we should move on. As further escalation was pointless, LTK agreed on behalf of WP to move on.

Once we have moved on, VB, Andrew Tan and others in their little group will face the music for what they did.

(b) We have a hawker's petition that is presented unsigned to the public, and only the PAP's word that most hawkers had assented to it
 
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Once we have moved on, VB, Andrew Tan and others in their little group will face the music for what they did.

as what bro JW5 said: the hentah kaki cepat hentah is self inflicted.
as what me said: his keluar baris would be electorate inflicted :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
VB is politically kaput, seeya at Aljunied GRC :p:p:p
 

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Why is the NEA getting involved in the scheduling of cleaning of hawker centres, discussing with the hawkers the dates? Does it do so in the PAP wards as well?
 
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