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Soon half the population will be foreigners, who will do NS?

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Concern over NS numbers

By SEAH CHIANG NEE

By 2030, only about half of the population will be core Singaporeans. Most of the rest will be foreigners, who will not be required to enlist for national service.

WITH a bigger 6.9 million population, Singapore’s dilemma over a declining reservist army will be over by 2030, shouldn’t it?

Theoretically, the answer is yes. Surely you can’t have one of the world’s most over-crowded cities that impose military service for all 18-year-old boys running short of soldiers.

Well, this city can and probably will. In fact, the arrival of more new citizens or permanent residents will probably not throw up a larger “people’s army” but create a bigger headache to defence planners.

The reason? By 2030 only about half of the population will be core Singaporeans, most of the rest being foreigners will not be required to enlist.

National service, which began in 1967, requires young citizens to enlist for two years and thereafter serve in the reservist army – going back for a brief in-camp training every year. (Since then, it has trained more than 300,000 reservists, who will become front-line soldiers in the event of a war.)

For many years now, this concept was badly affected by a falling birthrate and a high number of Singaporeans emigrating overseas.

In fact, each consecutive batch of recruits has got smaller.

For example, the first batch 45 years ago numbered 55,000 conscripts, but nowadays, the annual figure is close to around 27,000 – only half what it used to be.

This would include a few children of PRs and new citizens. But it’s more than just a numbers problem.

Few small and medium-size firms (which employ 60% of all workers) would want their employees to report for 10-20 days of in-camp training annually.

To avoid this, some managers are hiring foreigners who have no such duty. Particularly guilty are foreign bosses who do not see any usefulness of military training to their profits.

Recently a government White Paper was passed in Parliament which approved the admission of more migrants to push for a 6.9 million population.

The trouble is that the vast majority of some 553,000 PRs are here to make money and will eventually leave. Unlike citizens, PRs do not have to enlist, but their children do.

Most parents, however, try various means to prevent their sons from becoming reservists.

The annual reservist recalled has for years placed Singaporean workers in a disadvantaged position when competing against women and foreigners, who are free from military service.

In response to local complaints, the Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen announced in March the setting up of a special committee to try to improve the lives and careers of NS-men and their families.

It will discuss how to better reward those who have fulfilled their NS liabilities and increase support from various groups like families, employers, schools, PRs and new citizens.

Why would a vastly expanded population not significantly enlarge the reservist army?

A reason is that by 2030, the anticipated 6.9 million population will have greatly diluted the Singaporean core to just about half.

The other half will be foreigners who have not undergone national service. With Singaporeans bearing an uneven brunt of the defence duty, the crucial question is: “Will the reservist army defend a Singapore in which half the population are from abroad?”

It is hard to imagine how the government in 2030 can convince core Singaporeans to risk their lives to protect the newcomers, who actually compete against them for jobs?

It will severely test the resolve of our NS-men or even the workability of the concept of a citizens’ defence force. So far, most Singaporeans have grudgingly accepted NS with some grumblings against foreigners here and there. The majority just soldier on.

Singaporeans have articulated for a review of NS training or a reduction of the service period but few have called for an end to it, realising its importance.

Last year, nearly 70% of Singaporeans polled by the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS) said that having a male child who had completed NS is an important characteristic of being ‘Singaporean’.

While he was in power, the founding leader Lee Kuan Yew, was conscious about factors that motivated NS-men to defend Singapore.

He concluded that owning a Housing Board flat was a crucial consideration. His rationale was that Singaporeans had to feel they were defending their own homes and families, not just fight to defend “Orchard Road (tourists) or Shenton Way (financial district)”.

Two months ago in an online discussion whether NS-men would defend a Singapore dominated by foreigners, a reservist soldier wrote a response online addressed “to rich foreigners living in Singapore”.

He said that outsiders were all impressed by what Singapore has to offer to wealthy foreigners.

These included safe streets, low crime and a safe environment to bring up a family and freedom to live a lavish lifestyle, he said.

“This security that you enjoy is not free and does not come easily.Singapore does not have a highly paid professional army.

“It is largely made up of part-time conscripts of ordinary Singaporean men. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary Singaporean men like myself shed blood, sweat and tears. Some have even lost their lives just to provide this security.”

“Will Singaporean NS-men like myself lay my life on the line to protect foreigners here? I’m afraid that’s a BIG NO! Why should we? Sorry but you and your family are on your own!I will only fight to protect my fellow Singaporeans. No more no less,” he said.

There is no indication that his views reflect those of the general body of reservists, but it is nevertheless disturbing.

It makes the defence minister’s forthcoming committee deliberations very important.
 
I think we will reach 6.9 million by 2020 at the latest. The optimist view is that we will be there by 2016, just in time for the election. The PAP needs the votes of new citizens.
 
All eligible citizens and PRs will do NS. Times change, 45 years ago is over, no use living in the past.
 
Someone has to do the dirty work to provide cheap labour for NDP rehearsals, and generate business for companies such as SFI and ST Logistics.

What, you still believe that Total Defence 'NS and operational readiness is essential to our security' fairy tale? :rolleyes:
 
uwhy would.a.globalised.city need.anything
other than.a.small.detereent force
whether phillipines, malaysia.or.indonesia
they access this place easily so ...we are.already
invaded in every.sense of the word
 
reduce ICT to 5-7 cycles and 14 days per ICT max. end of Reservist for NS men who reach age 33.
 
You just turned 33? :o:D


i must be able to benefit from any new NS policies otherwise it is all useless. :D

the human body's fitness gradually starts going downhill after age 30. the NS men have more family and work commitments in their 30s than 20s. therefore end of Reservist for NS men who reach age 33 should be seriously considered.
 
30? Maybe 25 can stop all NS.

Factory production only take in girls from 16 to 25. After 25 girls are considered slow and many have kids and give plenty of problems when they have children.

All males should stop this shit at 25 and take the next course of life which is to bred the next generation of tax payers to fund army.





i must be able to benefit from any new NS policies otherwise it is all useless. :D

the human body's fitness gradually starts going downhill after age 30. the NS men have more family and work commitments in their 30s than 20s. therefore end of Reservist for NS men who reach age 33 should be seriously considered.
 
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The privileged will have the honour to serve the country.;)

Cheers!


All my buddies and I from my NS batch have made a pledge not to defend this island in the event of war during our lifetime unless all you foreigners are deported back to where you came from.
 
All my buddies and I from my NS batch have made a pledge not to defend this island in the event of war during our lifetime unless all you foreigners are deported back to where you came from.

U realize u can be charged for that !!
 
since 50% foreigners than who cares if NS even exist or not ?


no diff lah............never gonna go to war, for SAF or not no diff.........


as for me leh, if got chance to sell out this stupid island...........i sure do it one..........if price is right.............no chance only.........
 
U realize u can be charged for that !!

Charge loh. When the shit hits the fan, it's better to be charged (if you can catch me) than to be a cannon fodder for the elites.

NS conscripts may tolerate NS, look on the positive side and treat reservist as a paid holiday break from work, but the commanders are delusional if they think the whole lot of them are going to actually turn up in a war. ;)

In Singapore, patriots die in vain. Traitors prosper. Compare Lim Bo Seng with Lee Kuan Yew.
 
Charge loh. When the shit hits the fan, it's better to be charged (if you can catch me) than to be a cannon fodder for the elites.

NS conscripts may tolerate NS, look on the positive side and treat reservist as a paid holiday break from work, but the commanders are delusional if they think the whole lot of them are going to actually turn up in a war. ;)

In Singapore, patriots die in vain. Traitors prosper. Compare Lim Bo Seng with Lee Kuan Yew.

In times of war, u better shoot your commander first before he shoots u for desertion!!
 
To increase the NS numbers, must conscript women too, like the Israelis.

Also all children of PRs will be denied any state benefits and be treated as foreigners. Only after they complete NS and should they wish get Singapore citizenship.

Finally, children of PRs who do not serve NS will be denied working visas etc to singapore. At most they get tourist visa,
 
I am seriously tired of all these nonsense! Singaporean sons are wasting their time doing NS while foreigners get to enjoy all the benefits! All they do is come here, take up our university slots and jobs; when shit happens, the foreigners will be the first to leave this country.
 
U realize u can be charged for that !!

I have 3 sons...all served NS..

I told my third boy, he need not fight for the country should a war break up..cos he was penalised for coming to this world.. ( It was a Two is Enough Policy, then)

Can I be charged for that..????

Now to compound the problem, one out of three properties will soon belong
to a foreigner..Should my sons shed blood to protect their asset....while they sit comfortably in a far away land.( The PR takes their sons back to their homeland when they turn 18)

The Govt should take a deep and closer look.... Loss of Nationalistic spirit.

20 years ago, I was truly nationalistic and will shed every blood to protect my soil..
Now, 20 years later, in a crowded MRT, I sometime think I am in a foreign land.

Now I do not have the strong reasons to defend our homeland..

This is one aspect, the HEN guy must look into...No point pouring billions into hardware when the people heart is full of doubts and the soldier is unsure what are they fighting for...

Now, seeing how the govt turns things around and upside down, I am totally lost
 
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