Some asshole at SAF & RSAF should read this article

[Semaj2357]

Singapore is 40 by 20. We can't even get the aircraft airborne. They just need to station a battery of artilleries and we are fucked. The only way is pre emptive. You think your pap masters dare to do pre emptive even though our plans are such?

isn't that why most of our warplanes are based overseas either for trg purposes or on routine flying missions so that these afb's can be used as launching pads

 

[Satyr]

Those are cheap jets meant for 3rd world Airforce. The F-35 is a stealth fighter, those examples are not. It's like comparing a Ferrari with a Chery QQ.

Those jets are good enough to scare off terrorist and fighting with countries with non-existent like the Philippines but not for everyone.

We all know where SG greatest threat comes from and guess what they are already at that airforce capability. RSAF not just have to match them, due to lesser numbers we have to outshoot them. We obviously have to get better equipment than them. U retards need to apply some brain power before posting nonsense.

Even if that's the case please buy technologies that actually work. The F 35 has such a bad press one wonders.

 

[Cerebral]

isn't that why most of our warplanes are based overseas either for trg purposes or on routine flying missions so that these afb's can be used as launching pads

And how long does it take for the planes to return?

 

[steffychun]

SAF RSAF fake generals dont want to read that. They do but shred the article afterwards and still buy the most expensive jet given that they know the more they buy the better NDP will be the higher chance they get sent to a GRC or Ministry or Stat Board and earn more millions.

up my points.

 

[Semaj2357]

And how long does it take for the planes to return?

pretty quick for those based in down under.

 

[Papsmearer]

pretty quick for those based in down under.

Yeah right. Want to bring the propeller planes PC-21 back from aussieland?

 

[Cerebral]

pretty quick for those based in down under.

Our fighter jets can only fly as fast as the re-fueller. At the fastest, at least 12 hours, including prep time and all. By that time, your 40km over run liao

 

[Jlokta]

Our fighter jets can only fly as fast as the re-fueller. At the fastest, at least 12 hours, including prep time and all. By that time, your 40km over run liao

That cheebye pinky letting so many foreign trash into the cuntry.

No need war, this 40x20 is already lost.

 

[3_M]

Like buying a car, prices would depend on what spec the owner wants. Buying fighter jets is the same except the add-ons account for larger proportion of the selling price. I think $20M is the most basic spec. Adding more capability could possibly push the price into the $30M region. Don't think western company has a competitive advantage if they are going to compete on pricing. If JF17 Blk2 can offer AESA radar for $20M and Scorpion is selling the same price without AESA, u are buying an aircraft with more capability with the same amount of money than Scorpion. Who would want to buy Scorpion except for countries in bad term with China namely Pinoyland.

 

[Semaj2357]

Yeah right. Want to bring the propeller planes PC-21 back from aussieland?

you're right on the tpt aircraft based there - how about those in the thai udon afb

Our fighter jets can only fly as fast as the re-fueller. At the fastest, at least 12 hours, including prep time and all. By that time, your 40km over run liao

that being the case, i hope the paper generals have a plan to intercept enemy aircraft from overseas as the scenario of our expensive toys being sitting dead ducks won't justify the rsaf as being best trained in s.e.a. as missiles can only do that much defensively.

 

[kiwibird7]

F15 expensive fighter flown by a AYAM RSAF pilot is akin to a AYAM driver with a provisional driver license driving a FERRARI. 1/2 past 6 pilots would crash their planes easily wasting such expensive planes.

In any dogfight, battle hardened experience counts more than technology. If many pilots are NOT TOP GUN calibre better to invest in huge numbers of budget fighters as it takes only 1 missile to bring down ONE plane. I

If one has 100 budget fighters, the enemy would need to buy 100 missiles to bring all 100 planes down compared to say if one can only buy 10 F15 expensive planes, 10 missiles need to be purchased by enemy forces.

 

[enterprise2]

F15 expensive fighter flown by a AYAM RSAF pilot is akin to a AYAM driver with a provisional driver license driving a FERRARI. 1/2 past 6 pilots would crash their planes easily wasting such expensive planes.

In any dogfight, battle hardened experience counts more than technology. If many pilots are NOT TOP GUN calibre better to invest in huge numbers of budget fighters as it takes only 1 missile to bring down ONE plane. I

If one has 100 budget fighters, the enemy would need to buy 100 missiles to bring all 100 planes down compared to say if one can only buy 10 F15 expensive planes, 10 missiles need to be purchased by enemy forces.

Wah!! This kind of reasoning!! Like that our budget can buy thousands of old Skyhawks, propeller planes. Our Air Force can be bigger than USAF!!

 

[kiwibird7]

Wah!! This kind of reasoning!! Like that our budget can buy thousands of old Skyhawks, propeller planes. Our Air Force can be bigger than USAF!!

Not necessarily that outdated planes but slightly less expensive than top of the range jets. The strategy of 1000blips suddenly appearing on enemy radar screens will overwhelm their air defence systems.

Even in dogfights, 5 cheaper slightly less sophisticated jets engaging 1 F15 plane would overwhelm the pilot's level of ability and concentration to target each and everyone of the 5 bogeys.

 

[enterprise2]

Not necessarily that outdated planes but slightly less expensive than top of the range jets. The strategy of 1000blips suddenly appearing on enemy radar screens will overwhelm their air defence systems.

Even in dogfights, 5 cheaper slightly less sophisticated jets engaging 1 F15 plane would overwhelm the pilot's level of ability and concentration to target each and everyone of the 5 bogeys.

Think if they spend money and eliminate the pilot. Lives more important. Likewise they spend money and uses less human resource in SAF. We can spend more time in control room and less time in danger zone

 

[kiwibird7]

Think if they spend money and eliminate the pilot. Lives more important. Likewise they spend money and uses less human resource in SAF. We can spend more time in control room and less time in danger zone

There seems to be an INCONSISTENCY in SAF strategy, they ditched the greater numbers of cheaper jets for fewer but expensive F15s but they adopted the cannon fodder 500,000 strong NSF conscripts instead of a leaner professional specialised armed force!

HUMAN LIVES are probably expendable in the PAP mindset, hence the conscript army for inexperienced scholar generals to throw away lives! Kamikaze pilots are cheap to train; just teach them how to take off and crash; just a one way trip on a cheap fighter jet.

If NOT, Why not just have great numbers of expendable predator drones which can cut out the expensive training spent for a fighter pilot for a sophisticated jet like the F15?

 

[enterprise2]

There seems to be an INCONSISTENCY in SAF strategy, they ditched the greater numbers of cheaper jets for fewer but expensive F15s but they adopted the cannon fodder 500,000 strong NSF conscripts instead of a leaner professional specialised armed force!

HUMAN LIVES are probably expendable in the PAP mindset, hence the conscript army for inexperienced scholar generals to throw away lives! Kamikaze pilots are cheap to train; just teach them how to take off and crash; just a one way trip on a cheap fighter jet.

If NOT, Why not just have great numbers of expendable predator drones which can cut out the expensive training spent for a fighter pilot for a sophisticated jet like the F15?

Since we r investing in driverless cars, why not invest in driverless tanks and other land vehicles. Already US and Israel has land drones. The next gen robot solder is not far away!!

 

[Cerebral]

F15 expensive fighter flown by a AYAM RSAF pilot is akin to a AYAM driver with a provisional driver license driving a FERRARI. 1/2 past 6 pilots would crash their planes easily wasting such expensive planes.

In any dogfight, battle hardened experience counts more than technology. If many pilots are NOT TOP GUN calibre better to invest in huge numbers of budget fighters as it takes only 1 missile to bring down ONE plane. I

If one has 100 budget fighters, the enemy would need to buy 100 missiles to bring all 100 planes down compared to say if one can only buy 10 F15 expensive planes, 10 missiles need to be purchased by enemy forces.

The reason for the F15s is because of the iron wall strategy. A few F15s airborne, line a wall and fire before enemy's radar can pick them up. There will not be any dogfight, although they must be able to get their aircraft airborne first. The current Gaza conflict taught us 1 thing. How expensive also no use. It can still be overcomed by quantity. HAMAS everyday fire few thousand rockets until Isreal asking US to help fund the iron dome....

 

[Papsmearer]

Like buying a car, prices would depend on what spec the owner wants. Buying fighter jets is the same except the add-ons account for larger proportion of the selling price. I think $20M is the most basic spec. Adding more capability could possibly push the price into the $30M region. Don't think western company has a competitive advantage if they are going to compete on pricing. If JF17 Blk2 can offer AESA radar for $20M and Scorpion is selling the same price without AESA, u are buying an aircraft with more capability with the same amount of money than Scorpion. Who would want to buy Scorpion except for countries in bad term with China namely Pinoyland.

China fighter support is notorious for being unreliable. The Mean Time Between failures is short on chinese made aircraft. U will be lucky to find more than 50% of them flying in the countries that bought them. Obtaining spare parts, tech support, etc are all question marks when u buy china planes. The PAkis are the biggest users of made in china fighters, but they have their own oevrhaul depot for the fighters and they joint manufature many of them, hence they don't face the same relaibility issue as other countries. The scorpion on the other hand is made with off the shelf components, so the spares issue is not that big. It has also been designed to be economical to operate. Over the life cycle, the scorpion will cost much less to buy and operate than a JF17. also, many air forces equipped with AESA aircraft like the RSAF should have a high low mix, and should have no need of AESA equipped aircraft in the low portion of the mix. eg. USAF flies AESA radar equipped planes like the F-35 and F-15E but also flies A-10 thunderbolts which are as basic as they come for a modern aircraft. U don't need a $100 million plane to do close air support when a $20 million plane will do.

 

[Papsmearer]

The reason for the F15s is because of the iron wall strategy. A few F15s airborne, line a wall and fire before enemy's radar can pick them up. There will not be any dogfight, although they must be able to get their aircraft airborne first. The current Gaza conflict taught us 1 thing. How expensive also no use. It can still be overcomed by quantity. HAMAS everyday fire few thousand rockets until Isreal asking US to help fund the iron dome....

Singapore funded Iron Dome and received the first units even before the Jews did, too bad it doesn't work.

 

[Papsmearer]

There seems to be an INCONSISTENCY in SAF strategy, they ditched the greater numbers of cheaper jets for fewer but expensive F15s but they adopted the cannon fodder 500,000 strong NSF conscripts instead of a leaner professional specialised armed force!

HUMAN LIVES are probably expendable in the PAP mindset, hence the conscript army for inexperienced scholar generals to throw away lives! Kamikaze pilots are cheap to train; just teach them how to take off and crash; just a one way trip on a cheap fighter jet.

If NOT, Why not just have great numbers of expendable predator drones which can cut out the expensive training spent for a fighter pilot for a sophisticated jet like the F15?

U are right, but in truth, in an emergency and under total recall, you be lucky to find half of these 500,000 NSF. Many are too old, many have disabilities or some form of illness, many are overseas either working or migrated, and others are untouchable or in key positions and cannot be recalled. The conscriot army we have is not like a Viet Cong soldier. On a VC, his most expensive equipment is his AK-47 which can be bought for as little as USD$200 in some parts of the world. A sinkie conscript arguably has 10 times the value of equipment on him, and could be even more equiped than a US soldier. The SAR-21 alone is probably a USD$1500 item. Add helmet, boots, webbing, ammo, grenades, etc. I would say its not case of spending all the money on the air force and giving the conscripts minimal and cheap equipment. hence, they are not expendable as u think. However, with these clowns scholar geneal running the show, they will be thrown away due to mistakes and incompetence.