Singapore's Failed Education System

[TracyTan866]

Tracy,don't be distracted by the amount of abuse you get in this thread....or do I sense you had raised the level of envy amongst some pseudo intellectual with their circular logic?

many of the posts by the pseudo intellectual are indeed circular logic

 

[Unrepented]

So can you just answer my trival question on what is your understanding and definition of an education system?

many of the posts by the pseudo intellectual are indeed circular logic

 

[TracyTan866]

So can you just answer my trival question on what is your understanding and definition of an education system?

I have my understanding of an education system. But that shd not be important to you as I am willing to discuss within your ambit and your definition of what you perceive to be an education system.

 

[Fook Seng]

it is not a either or kwestion, you dumb fark....

you are proof of Singapore's Failed Education System since you never done any critical thinking .....

schools should cater to the masses but to the morons.... if schools cater to the morons, we will just teach a generation of morons like the TS here

Like eatshit, I have no concern about our technical education. That I am confident has kept up with the times. But I am extremely disturbed by the lack of education in the other areas amply demonstrated in this latest by-product of our education system. Every post written by this forummer had been filled with vulgarity, rudeness and totally deficient of graceful cultivation.

 

[Fook Seng]

So can you just answer my trival question on what is your understanding and definition of an education system?

What is your definition of an education system since you repeatedly asked the question? And what is the Govt's role in this?

 

[TracyTan866]

Like earshit, I have no concern about our technical education. That I am confident has kept up with the times. But I am extremely disturbed by the lack of education in the other areas amply demonstrated in this latest by-product of our education system. Every post written by this forummer had been filled with vulgarity, rudeness and totally deficient of graceful cultivation.

Yes, people like Brocoli show that the system has failed

 

[Unrepented]

I don't know:(, that's the reason I started a thread before this for forummers to discuss. I always hear people and media talking about education system, and would like to know what they mean.

Aren't you interested to know what's the thread starter's definition too

What is your definition of an education system since you repeatedly asked the question? And what is the Govt's role in this?

 

[TracyTan866]

What is your definition of an education system since you repeatedly asked the question? And what is the Govt's role in this?

I am surprised that no MP asked MOE abt student suicide rate the last few years. SG has to do something abt it. Even primary school children have attempted suicide.

 

[Unrepented]

Well, the title implies that a conclusion has been made about the Singapore's education system. There must have been some yardsticks and results to help derive a conclusion. Also we have to judge the appropriateness of the yardsticks applied. But before one can judge the appropriateness of the yardsticks, one has to know what is being measured.

Therefore, it would be helpful to let forummers know what is "your" understanding of an education system.

And on the contrary, "your understanding of an education system" is as important to me as other forummers so that there can be terms of reference, so that forummers can comment on the appropriateness of the yardstick and engage in a focused and productive discussion.

I have my understanding of an education system. But that shd not be important to you as I am willing to discuss within your ambit and your definition of what you perceive to be an education system.

 

[Windsor]

I won't say our education system is a failed one. It is a good system better than most countries but like all others, none are perfect. All of us, Singaporeans are the product of the very same system with some variations depending on the year we were born, some have part of their education overseas.

What we eventually received from our education will depend on many factors, not all within our control. So it really depend on the individual and how much he/she benefited. An education system that stresses on high stakes examinations, and makes a student believe that passing their exams is a ticket to success only churns out students good at rote learning but failed in critical thinking. We were all taught to accept what has been taught without question. Is it not surprising therefore, not many Singaporeans are innovators or thinkers that break new paths in unknown territories waiting to be discovered?

What happen usually to all these bright young men and women we have that had completed their education with excellent results? Where are they now?

 

[Unrepented]

Other than the soundcard which is going downhill, what other physical product has sinkieland produced as a result of our technical education?

Like eatshit, I have no concern about our technical education. That I am confident has kept up with the times. ...........

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Thank you for your sharing.

It is so sad to see SG children so stressed out by the antiquated system and parents forking out abt $1000 a month on tuition , doing what MOE and the schools shd be doing

With the recent release of the 'O' level results,,its seems that Foreigners in our system seem to do pretty well,,,guess we are not as good as rote learning as we thought...

 

[TracyTan866]

I won't say our education system is a failed one. It is a good system better than most countries but like all others, none are perfect. All of us, Singaporeans are the product of the very same system with some variations depending on the year we were born, some have part of their education overseas.

What we eventually received from our education will depend on many factors, not all within our control. So it really depend on the individual and how much he/she benefited. An education system that stresses on high stakes examinations, and makes a student believe that passing their exams is a ticket to success only churns out students good at rote learning but failed in critical thinking. We were all taught to accept what has been taught without question. Is it not surprising therefore, not many Singaporeans are innovators or thinkers that break new paths in unknown territories waiting to be discovered?

What happen usually to all these bright young men and women we have that had completed their education with excellent results? Where are they now?

You have a point. But the education system is not just the end product. There are many stake holders: students, parents, Singapore, etc. There are processes, infrastructure and people like school leaders, teachers, MOE staff.

Result is only one part of an education system. Values, integrity, empathy, compassion, teamwork, fortitude, character, care for others, teamwork, excellence, etc are outcomes of an education system.

Looking at our school today, do students enjoy their education? are teachers empowered to teach and do they enjoy teaching? are the learning processes in our education system enriching? do principals identify themselves to mould the next generation or are they in for career and their own glory? is the product of our education system well rounded adults or are they self seeking? look at how the average Singaporean behave!

All these give you a good idea how our education system fare

 

[TracyTan866]

With the recent release of the 'O' level results,,its seems that Foreigners in our system seem to do pretty well,,,guess we are not as good as rote learning as we thought...

True..result is only one aspect of education. Behaviour, character and values are also indications of our education system

 

[Fook Seng]

Other than the soundcard which is going downhill, what other physical product has sinkieland produced as a result of our technical education?

You claimed that you do not have a definition of education system. But your response to this is quite interesting because it seems to point us to a definition of education that only measures success in the production of an original product. Am I correct in my understanding?

 

[Unrepented]

Seems that you are just as confused as I am.:o

You claimed that you do not have a definition of education system. But your response to this is quite interesting because it seems to point us to a definition of education that only measures success in the production of an original product. Am I correct in my understanding?

 

[TracyTan866]

Well, the title implies that a conclusion has been made about the Singapore's education system. There must have been some yardsticks and results to help derive a conclusion. Also we have to judge the appropriateness of the yardsticks applied. But before one can judge the appropriateness of the yardsticks, one has to know what is being measured.

Therefore, it would be helpful to let forummers know what is "your" understanding of an education system.

And on the contrary, "your understanding of an education system" is as important to me as other forummers so that there can be terms of reference, so that forummers can comment on the appropriateness of the yardstick and engage in a focused and productive discussion.

It is not important to me whether you agree with me what is an education system because, umlike you I am not confused. Are you happy with SG's Education System?

I am telling you outfront that the SG Education system has failed. You can get a gist of why I came to this conclusion from the various posts in this thread. Can you tell me your views instead of running in circles?

 

[Nice-Gook]

Let me tell you what is wrong with our education system.For example you cannot test intellectual, moral, social and environmental values and such in science subjects. Hence easier for our educators to teach you by memorizing algorithms for answering application questions rather than thinking through them in your own way. The point being education is not in the business to teach you to make wheels but but to learn how to figure out for yourself how to make a wheel.

This is the critical difference between our system and US is--In a Singapore's exam, all you need to get a good grade is to read all the notes and your textbook and memorize them , and vomit out in an exam.Which simply equates to higher the number of hours invested better your exam results......The very reason why many a PRC 'professional' students scores in our system.

Put them in an American system of education to test on their anlythetical and critical thinking ;those PRC students who scored under Singapore system may not scrape through...since one cannot do well in schools without thoroughly understanding the basics.Hence say a bright student who is active in sports can do very well in an American environment.....but may fail in our system.As seen in our local context that in order to produce better and better results as their KPI; teachers push their students more and more on hourly basis to a breaking point---some psychologically broken forever,some dropped along the path of no return.Which begets and breeds a system that students are classified and labelled at an early age---to make thee jobs of educators easier-for rote learning.Sadly,even teachers are victims under this system---as can be seen by the amount of unmarried teachers for lack of quality time for themselves.

 

[TracyTan866]

Let me tell you what is wrong with our education system.For example you cannot test intellectual, moral, social and environmental values and such in science subjects. Hence easier for our educators to teach you by memorizing algorithms for answering application questions rather than thinking through them in your own way. The point being education is not in the business to teach you to make wheels but but to learn how to figure out for yourself how to make a wheel.

This is the critical difference between our system and US is--In a Singapore's exam, all you need to get a good grade is to read all the notes and your textbook and memorize them , and vomit out in an exam.Which simply equates to higher the number of hours invested better your exam results......The very reason why many a PRC 'professional' students scores in our system.

Put them in an American system of education to test on their anlythetical and critical thinking ;those PRC students who scored under Singapore system may not scrape through...since one cannot do well in schools without thoroughly understanding the basics.Hence say a bright student who is active in sports can do very well in an American environment.....but may fail in our system.As seen in our local context that in order to produce better and better results as their KPI; teachers push their students more and more on hourly basis to a breaking point---some psychologically broken forever,some dropped along the path of no return.Which begets and breeds a system that students are classified and labelled at an early age---to make thee jobs of educators easier-for rote learning.Sadly,even teachers are victims under this system---as can be seen by the amount of unmarried teachers for lack of quality time for themselves.

Excellent example

 

[Windsor]

You have a point. But the education system is not just the end product. There are many stake holders: students, parents, Singapore, etc. There are processes, infrastructure and people like school leaders, teachers, MOE staff.

Result is only one part of an education system. Values, integrity, empathy, compassion, teamwork, fortitude, character, care for others, teamwork, excellence, etc are outcomes of an education system.

Looking at our school today, do students enjoy their education? are teachers empowered to teach and do they enjoy teaching? are the learning processes in our education system enriching? do principals identify themselves to mould the next generation or are they in for career and their own glory? is the product of our education system well rounded adults or are they self seeking? look at how the average Singaporean behave!

All these give you a good idea how our education system fare

To sum up your comments, just look at the Singaporeans of today, their achievement and then make your own judgment. Is our education system a failure? Forthrightly, I will say yes, without any doubt.