Singaporeans Have Spoken — And We Deserve What’s Coming

[superpower]

S'pore will end up as one big carpark. Knowing the hoi polloi, once they get their hands on a cheap car, they will drive it everywhere just to show to others that they are car owners. Hirers of PHVs and car sharing are dying to peel off those low SES decals and painted-on words to deceive others that they are car owners too.

Japanese cities are more congested than Singapore. But in the face of high parking charges, a statutory requirement to show the government a permanent parking space for every car you own, and an extensive system of public transport (15 subway lines in Tokyo), people have switched largely to public transport to get to work, despite being car owners.

Of course, taxing car usage must go hand-in-hand with improving the efficiency and coverage of our public transport networks, which are currently not quite up to Tier 1 First World standards like you see in Japan and many north European cities. Otherwise you'll end up with permanent gridlock like in LA or London (which has an efficient tube but doesn't tax usage).

 

[Narong Wongwan]

S'poreans are in the same boat as Americans because there are enough voters who fell for the empty promises of Trump and the PAP. S'pore has become a more dangerous place for us because 65% have endorsed an authoritarian and greedy govt to do as they please over the next 5 years.

Apples and Oranges
Trump voters are fed up of Democratic Party that’s why rejected them and chose Trump instead.
In any case they can vote back in the blue in 4 years if they aren’t happy with trump’s term.
That’s the beauty of it unlike sinkieland

 

[True Believer]

Apples and Oranges Trump voters are fed up of Democratic Party that’s why rejected them and chose Trump instead. In any case they can vote back in the blue in 4 years if they aren’t happy with trump’s term. That’s the beauty of it unlike sinkieland

In the same manner that S'pore has too many SPGs, we also have too many voters suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome, where they develop feelings for their tormentors.

 

[jsctan]

the wisest way of LTA is to tax the car owners the moment they start to use the road regardless of priced or non priced road.
Tax the car owners based on the mileage they travelled, just like our water and electricity meters.

Why would you want to do that?
Car is invented for convenience & should be maximizing it's use, not restrict & deter the full utilization.

 

[jsctan]

That's we should get rid of the COE, which taxes ownership. Make cars affordable, like in many other countries (a Toyota Corolla costs only $22,000 in Japan).

Tax usage instead.

That's is not right too. Why need to tax usage where it is meant for user to have ease of convenience? Sinkies are so used to being tax till they can't see why other countries have better living.
Take the coe & do balloting. Cars are not just for the rich, it's for everyone to have better life.

 

[True Believer]

Why would you want to do that? Car is invented for convenience & should be maximizing it's use, not restrict & deter the full utilization.

Given the constant demand for driving, an ERP price hike on any stretch of road may initially lead to reduced congestion. However, when drivers discover that alternative routes are in a gridlock, the likelihood of them shifting back to those priced roads is far greater than switching to public transport, which is not as efficient as it once was, before our population grew exponentially.

 

[True Believer]

That's is not right too. Why need to tax usage where it is meant for user to have ease of convenience? Sinkies are so used to being tax till they can't see why other countries have better living.
Take the coe & do balloting. Cars are not just for the rich, it's for everyone to have better life.

The right to have access to private homes, cars, overseas travel, branded goods, fine dining, golf club membership etc. boils down to affordability. Unfortunately for the "have nots", money makes the world go round.

 

[jsctan]

The right to have access to private homes, cars, overseas travel, branded goods, fine dining, golf club membership etc. boils down to affordability. Unfortunately for the "have nots", money makes the world go round.

It's fine if every level of people in the society can keep to their ability to live accordingly. But to allow govt to keep on taxing while they themselves are the haves with salary from taxing the have nots, it's disturbing to see sinkies can't think for themselves & others like themselves.

 

[superpower]

That's is not right too. Why need to tax usage where it is meant for user to have ease of convenience? Sinkies are so used to being tax till they can't see why other countries have better living.
Take the coe & do balloting. Cars are not just for the rich, it's for everyone to have better life.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If you do COE balloting, you're still depriving some people of owning a car just because of a stroke of bad luck. What if this guy is a salesman who really needs a car for work?

Ultimately you have to choose: universal car ownership, but tax usage; or restrict car ownership, but still end up with gridlock with a half-baked system like ERP that pushes traffic jams to outlying and alternative roads; or, like in many big American cities, universal car ownership and universal traffic jams - then where's the 'ease of convenience' if it take you 2 hours to drive from Pasir Panjang to Changi?

 

[True Believer]

It's fine if every level of people in the society can keep to their ability to live accordingly. But to allow govt to keep on taxing while they themselves are the haves with salary from taxing the have nots, it's disturbing to see sinkies can't think for themselves & others like themselves.

Political corruption is the use of powers by govt officials or their cronies for private gain. Forms of corruption vary, but include bribery, lobbying, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, parochialism, patronage, influence peddling, graft and embezzlement. The PAP checks some of these boxes.

 

[jsctan]

Given the constant demand for driving, an ERP price hike on any stretch of road may initially lead to reduced congestion. However, when drivers discover that alternative routes are in a gridlock, the likelihood of them shifting back to those priced roads is far greater than switching to public transport, which is not as efficient as it once was, before our population grew exponentially.

There is no way to have ease of congestion as long as population of cars increase using the same infrastructure. It's seems like a failure of LTA to provide enough space. Once congestion/bottleneck detected, one would have expected the road planners to solve the bottleneck, not tax with ERP hoping road users to find other ways to get from point A to point B. Since the first implementation of ERP 1st April 1998(27 years have passed, starting with only 2 gantries & now we have at least 80+ gantries), have the problems been solved? How to continue to have such useless road planners?

 

[True Believer]

What incentives do the talented have to work harder to earn more money if they are denied the right to purchase a landed home, car, golf club membership, branded goods etc. by having to ballot with the low SES for these goods and services?

 

[True Believer]

There is no way to have ease of congestion as long as population of cars increase using the same infrastructure. It's seems like a failure of LTA to provide enough space. Once congestion/bottleneck detected, one would have expected the road planners to solve the bottleneck, not tax with ERP hoping road users to find other ways to get from point A to point B. Since the first implementation of ERP 1st April 1998(27 years have passed, starting with only 2 gantries & now we have at least 80+ gantries), have the problems been solved? How to continue to have such useless road planners?

S'pore is a tiny island that is not able to accommodate 6 million residents. Only 8% of the people are able to own private cars at the present time.

 

[True Believer]

Drivers who find non-priced routes and public transport inconvenient as well as time consuming, will likely switch back to driving. Only marginal car owners will be priced out by price hikes. As more individuals make the switch back to cars and commute on the more expensive-to-travel expressways and roads, congestion will increase back to a steady-state point of gridlock – perhaps with even more vehicles stuck in the queue – as previous users of alternative non-priced routes avoid the snarl-up of vehicles that once relied on the priced roads.

 

[jsctan]

What incentives do the talented have to work harder to earn more money if they are denied the right to purchase a landed home, car, golf club membership, branded goods etc. by having to ballot with the low SES for these goods and services?

Now I will advise talented sinkies to go to another country since only foreigners are called Talents here or go be part of CS.

 

[jsctan]

S'pore is a tiny island that is not able to accommodate 6 million residents. Only 8% of the people are able to own private cars at the present time.

Don't forget the bolehlanders are coming in droves - workers in motorbikes, lorries with good, precast big trailers, buses bringing in workers ....so many
Too many imports since we no longer produce our own made in Singapore products.

 

[True Believer]

Don't forget the bolehlanders are coming in droves - workers in motorbikes, lorries with good, precast big trailers, buses bringing in workers ....so many
Too many imports since we no longer produce our own made in Singapore products.

Having 6 million residents vying for the limited number of COEs means that 92% of residents cannot afford to own a car in SG, but these Malaysian-registered vehicles are making the situation even worse.

 

[jsctan]

Having 6 million residents vying for the limited number of COEs means that 92% of residents cannot afford to own a car in SG, but these Malaysian-registered vehicles are making the situation even worse.

Singapore roads have to be congested by them everyday. They are here to steal jobs of subcontractor, electricians, renovators, delivery grab or phv earning side incomes. Those 7 seaters MPV or SUVs...Bringing in office workers crossing the border earning well, living in landed earning MYRs is good enough for them.
But sinkies car cost & quote can't be attractive enough to bring bolehlanders over. The price quoted is in SGD & can't compete with the drivers from bolehlanders quoting in MYR & living there. Is LTA not aware?

 

[bobby]

Why donch just totally ban cars on the road

 

[True Believer]

Why donch just totally ban cars on the road

The rich will travel in horse drawn carriages while the not-so-rich will ride horses in SG.