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Serious Shit Times - Central Cooling a must in Sinkieland!
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Just build a giant dome to cover entire island.
Another kum gong brainless CBkia not knowing Tengah BTO ranjiao centralised cooling is already an epic faulure and trying to sabo everybody
Tengah New Town is a smart city implementation by the white scums who pledged to WEF to build a net 0 carbon hoax city.
Willing buyer willing seller. If no one buy the flats there, how will this smart city going to be a successful one?
Most Singaporeans are dumb farks. The vaccine take up rate already proven this fact
Willing buyer willing seller. If no one buy the flats there, how will this smart city going to be a successful one?
Most Singaporeans are dumb farks. The vaccine take up rate already proven this fact
Only dumbfarks will think that their fictional globe earth is dying and would sacrifice to this cause of climate change
And the mall nearest to it is pathetic... even worse than Boon Lay Shopping Centre or Yew Tee Point.
https://lequestmall.com.sg
Dumbfucks or the greedy ones who want to sell their green/clean/sustainable/renewable/eco-friendly products and services.
They cost a premium, but they satisfy the hubris of the godless ones who believe that every extra penny is worth spending, for the salvation of the planet.
Pui Microsoft quality now like shit and we all know why, kena CECAfied!
Correct. Should shove all the chilled water pipes into his arse first to wake up his idea.
This PCB Keling wants the whole Singapore HDB estate to become like that....:
Expectations of Hotel or Service Apartment quality standards before moving in...sipeh shiok like going for vacation home...:
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Reality:
HDB has farking low ceiling yet the salesperson still has the cheek to suggest owners can opt to box up til like that (at their own costs of course), with boxes within box how to do maintenance? Will be like opening an Egyptian tomb. What a freaking mess, LOL.
Later internal leak with mould and rats making it their villa also noone knows til the next owner discover the goodies...:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sin...n-trunking-centralised-cooling-system-3566821
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...efects-after-some-tengah-residents-face-leaks
Daikin has formed dedicated teams to focus on rectifying issues, after some Tengah residents faced leaks from their centralised cooling system. PHOTOS:
MAR 06, 2024, 09:18 PM
SINGAPORE – Manufacturer Daikin, which is responsible for installing the centralised cooling system in Tengah flats, has tripled its team of workers rectifying condensation issues after some residents reported leaks stemming from the system.
It has also doubled its quality control team in order to conduct extra checks and reduce workmanship issues, a spokesman for Daikin told The Straits Times.
He said the firm has doubled the number of installers, and is stepping up efforts to train them, with an emphasis on “quality work methodologies and processes” to minimise workmanship issues.
On average, about 170 Daikin workers in Tengah are carrying out installation, maintenance and rectification works daily.
The firm will deploy more workers when the need arises, the spokesman added. These efforts come as some residents across the first three Build-To-Order (BTO) projects in the new Tengah town told ST that they had encountered leaks from their cooling systems.
Plantation Village resident Nur Afifah Hazali said she faced recurring leaks from the centralised cooling system in her new home for nearly three weeks in January, after she moved into the four-room flat while it was still undergoing renovation.
Despite reporting on several occasions the issue to SP Group – which manages the cooling system in Tengah – the leaks persisted, even after extra layers of insulation were added to the pipes, the 31-year-old nurse said.
She added that water would drip along the cooling system’s pipes from the main door to the master bedroom, even when the air-conditioning was turned off.
“We thought it was going to be a smooth renovation, and there would be air-con, so we felt that it was fine to move in. We expected everything to be finished before February, but the leaking issues derailed that,” said Ms Afifah.
She cancelled her contract for the centralised system on Jan 18 and forked out $4,300 to install a conventional one.
Ms Afifah, who paid about $3,500 for four fan coil units, is waiting to receive a 50 per cent refund – a goodwill gesture that SP implemented in November following an outcry from residents.
“We wasted a lot of money, but I just want peace of mind – that when we go out, we won’t come home to a leaking house,” she said.
Ms Afifah said water would drip along the cooling system’s trunking from the main door to the master bedroom. PHOTO: NUR AFIFAH HAZALI
SP and Daikin told ST that cases of condensation – which may result in leaks in some incidents – were largely caused by workmanship issues due to the Housing Board’s “compressed timeline” to hand over units to residents. As a result, they had insufficient time to install the fan coil units, piping and trunking, as well as to fully test, stabilise and commission the systems.
The spokesman for Daikin added that it also faced a “challenging timeline” to recruit skilled labour and conduct proper training.
He said Daikin has formed dedicated teams to focus on rectifying issues, and apologised for the inconvenience caused to customers.
A spokesman for SP said the company expects to reduce the number of cases still being resolved to 30 by the end of March, down from 80 in mid-February.
ST spoke to eight residents who faced leakage issues; four of them had chosen to cancel their contracts.
More than 1,000 households have cancelled their contracts for the cooling system, based on figures from SP. It said it had more than 9,000 subscribers to the system as at Feb 12 – seven out of every 10 Tengah flat owners.
In comparison, an archived webpage date-stamped Nov 15, 2023 on the myTengah website showed that there were 10,600 subscribers to the system, representing eight in 10 flat owners in the new town.
The website is run by SP.
Mr Hamizan Jailani, 32, said he decided to cancel as it was “not worth the stress” of having to travel from Yishun to Tengah nearly every day to check his Plantation Grange unit for leaks. The leaks cropped up after he opted for additional tests on the cooling system in January, and he said workers had changed the insulation material and sealed several areas with duct tape to address the issue.
“Water would still leak throughout the whole day... I felt that it was not solving the root of the problem,” said Mr Hamizan, who works in the transport industry.
Mr Hamizan said he travelled from Yishun to Tengah nearly every day to check his Plantation Grange unit for leaks. PHOTO: HAMIZAN JAILANI
Procurement executive Jerome Low, 33, had a better experience.
He said a palm-sized puddle of water had formed in his living room in December as condensation had formed around the cooling system’s trunking. The issue was resolved within a week, after workers added extra layers of insulation around the pipes.
Tengah, an eco-friendly and car-lite “forest” town, is the first HDB estate to provide a centralised cooling system as an option for home owners.
The system uses chilled water to remove heat, unlike conventional air-conditioning units that are connected to outdoor compressors and use refrigerants to cool down flats. Centralised chillers on the blocks’ rooftops produce chilled water that is piped directly into homes.
There were teething problems, with some residents saying the air-conditioning in their units was not cold enough.
ST had reported in December 2023 that some residents were upset that despite getting their keys, the cooling system had not been installed in their units, while others encountered leaks.
Ms Mitchell Ee, 30, said the vinyl flooring in parts of her home was soaked, and there was water damage to a wall after the HDB’s Building Service Centre alerted her to leaks in the unit on Feb 13. Although SP is repairing the damage to her unit, Ms Ee said the incident put a bad taste in her mouth. “I cancelled my contract as I don’t want to risk it ‘flooding’ again,” said the allied health professional.
Ms Ee said the floor in parts of her home was soaked after a leaking episode. PHOTO: MITCHELL EE
A resident who wanted to be known only as Mr Chung, 60, said that shortly after he and his family moved into their five-room flat in January, he observed water droplets forming on the piping along his corridor, and there were some watermarks on his false ceiling.
“I quickly shut off the water valve as I heard of other leaking cases, and did not want our false ceiling and carpentry to be damaged. We have slept without air-conditioning for the past three weeks,” said Mr Chung, adding that he had spent $54,000 on renovating his home.
The SP spokesman said new BTO flats have a 12-month defects liability period that covers the fan coil units, piping and trunking within their units.
The Daikin spokesman said condensation in air-conditioning is a common issue in Singapore due to high humidity. He cited a written parliamentary reply from the Ministry of National Development in January that said the HDB receives an average of 715 cases of feedback a year about condensation in conventional air-conditioning.
Asked about the leakage issues, a spokeswoman for the HDB said it was aware of feedback on the cooling system from some residents, and has been supporting SP to address them.
Its BTO contractors will also assist with some touch-up works, such as those arising from installation of the cooling system, and rectification works done by SP or Daikin workers, on a goodwill basis, she added.
“HDB will continue to monitor the feedback on the centralised cooling system together with SP Group, and support them to ensure that the roll-out of the system in Tengah proceeds as smoothly as possible,” the spokeswoman said.
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Tengah residents face issues with central cooling system
Some Tengah residents upset centralised cooling system not yet installed after getting keys to units
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So Tengah BTO residents are just farked in the arse big time.
https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/te...pay-thousands-of-for-cancellation-lol.354470/
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One of these residents, Ms Geraldine Ong, is due to collect her keys to her flat at Plantation Acres at the end of this month.
The accountant – also part of the group of residents who signed the letter – had wanted to cancel the cooling system as she was worried about leaking, the usage cost and SP Group's unresponsiveness to her queries.
The 38-year-old said she was asked to pay 135 per cent of the cost of her cooling system when she spoke to an SP staff member on Oct 24.
The cost of her five indoor units is S$4,500 excluding the Goods and Services Tax. This means that she may have to fork out S$6,075 if she terminates, an amount Ms Ong described as "crazy".
She expressed disappointment that SP Group had not pointed out the relevant clauses in the contract when she signed the agreement.
IT professionals Mr Sun, 33, and Mrs Sun, 30, told CNA about their worries of incurring a hefty loss if they cancelled their contract.
The system has already been installed in their five-room flat at Plantation Village; they are due to collect their keys in the first quarter of next year.
Their five indoor units costs S$4,917, including the additional cost of shifting a unit.
The couple had found that the cooling system's trunking ran into the toilet, affecting their renovation plans there. They were not made aware of this design when they signed up.
They also cited SP Group’s unresponsiveness to their queries as a factor in deciding to cancel their contract.
On Monday, SP Group said SP Group collects 35 per cent of the installation charge from customers who choose not to proceed with the system after a 30-day cooling off period when they sign an installation agreement. This is due to costs and resources incurred to secure supply and contracts for the installation.
Customers also have to pay the full installation charge if they choose not to proceed after the fan coil units, piping and cabling have been installed.
However, SP Group said it will now reduce the payment to be collected by 50 per cent in the event of cancellation as a “further gesture of goodwill”.
This was after taking into account feedback from the early batch of homeowners and the initial issues that cropped up.
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Expectations of Hotel or Service Apartment quality standards before moving in...sipeh shiok like going for vacation home...:
.
.
.
.
.
.
Reality:
HDB has farking low ceiling yet the salesperson still has the cheek to suggest owners can opt to box up til like that (at their own costs of course), with boxes within box how to do maintenance? Will be like opening an Egyptian tomb. What a freaking mess, LOL.
Later internal leak with mould and rats making it their villa also noone knows til the next owner discover the goodies...:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sin...n-trunking-centralised-cooling-system-3566821
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...efects-after-some-tengah-residents-face-leaks
Daikin triples workers fixing cooling system defects after some Tengah residents face leaks
Daikin has formed dedicated teams to focus on rectifying issues, after some Tengah residents faced leaks from their centralised cooling system. PHOTOS:
MAR 06, 2024, 09:18 PM
SINGAPORE – Manufacturer Daikin, which is responsible for installing the centralised cooling system in Tengah flats, has tripled its team of workers rectifying condensation issues after some residents reported leaks stemming from the system.
It has also doubled its quality control team in order to conduct extra checks and reduce workmanship issues, a spokesman for Daikin told The Straits Times.
He said the firm has doubled the number of installers, and is stepping up efforts to train them, with an emphasis on “quality work methodologies and processes” to minimise workmanship issues.
On average, about 170 Daikin workers in Tengah are carrying out installation, maintenance and rectification works daily.
The firm will deploy more workers when the need arises, the spokesman added. These efforts come as some residents across the first three Build-To-Order (BTO) projects in the new Tengah town told ST that they had encountered leaks from their cooling systems.
Plantation Village resident Nur Afifah Hazali said she faced recurring leaks from the centralised cooling system in her new home for nearly three weeks in January, after she moved into the four-room flat while it was still undergoing renovation.
Despite reporting on several occasions the issue to SP Group – which manages the cooling system in Tengah – the leaks persisted, even after extra layers of insulation were added to the pipes, the 31-year-old nurse said.
She added that water would drip along the cooling system’s pipes from the main door to the master bedroom, even when the air-conditioning was turned off.
“We thought it was going to be a smooth renovation, and there would be air-con, so we felt that it was fine to move in. We expected everything to be finished before February, but the leaking issues derailed that,” said Ms Afifah.
She cancelled her contract for the centralised system on Jan 18 and forked out $4,300 to install a conventional one.
Ms Afifah, who paid about $3,500 for four fan coil units, is waiting to receive a 50 per cent refund – a goodwill gesture that SP implemented in November following an outcry from residents.
“We wasted a lot of money, but I just want peace of mind – that when we go out, we won’t come home to a leaking house,” she said.
Ms Afifah said water would drip along the cooling system’s trunking from the main door to the master bedroom. PHOTO: NUR AFIFAH HAZALI
SP and Daikin told ST that cases of condensation – which may result in leaks in some incidents – were largely caused by workmanship issues due to the Housing Board’s “compressed timeline” to hand over units to residents. As a result, they had insufficient time to install the fan coil units, piping and trunking, as well as to fully test, stabilise and commission the systems.
The spokesman for Daikin added that it also faced a “challenging timeline” to recruit skilled labour and conduct proper training.
He said Daikin has formed dedicated teams to focus on rectifying issues, and apologised for the inconvenience caused to customers.
A spokesman for SP said the company expects to reduce the number of cases still being resolved to 30 by the end of March, down from 80 in mid-February.
ST spoke to eight residents who faced leakage issues; four of them had chosen to cancel their contracts.
More than 1,000 households have cancelled their contracts for the cooling system, based on figures from SP. It said it had more than 9,000 subscribers to the system as at Feb 12 – seven out of every 10 Tengah flat owners.
In comparison, an archived webpage date-stamped Nov 15, 2023 on the myTengah website showed that there were 10,600 subscribers to the system, representing eight in 10 flat owners in the new town.
The website is run by SP.
Mr Hamizan Jailani, 32, said he decided to cancel as it was “not worth the stress” of having to travel from Yishun to Tengah nearly every day to check his Plantation Grange unit for leaks. The leaks cropped up after he opted for additional tests on the cooling system in January, and he said workers had changed the insulation material and sealed several areas with duct tape to address the issue.
“Water would still leak throughout the whole day... I felt that it was not solving the root of the problem,” said Mr Hamizan, who works in the transport industry.
Mr Hamizan said he travelled from Yishun to Tengah nearly every day to check his Plantation Grange unit for leaks. PHOTO: HAMIZAN JAILANI
Procurement executive Jerome Low, 33, had a better experience.
He said a palm-sized puddle of water had formed in his living room in December as condensation had formed around the cooling system’s trunking. The issue was resolved within a week, after workers added extra layers of insulation around the pipes.
Tengah, an eco-friendly and car-lite “forest” town, is the first HDB estate to provide a centralised cooling system as an option for home owners.
The system uses chilled water to remove heat, unlike conventional air-conditioning units that are connected to outdoor compressors and use refrigerants to cool down flats. Centralised chillers on the blocks’ rooftops produce chilled water that is piped directly into homes.
There were teething problems, with some residents saying the air-conditioning in their units was not cold enough.
ST had reported in December 2023 that some residents were upset that despite getting their keys, the cooling system had not been installed in their units, while others encountered leaks.
Ms Mitchell Ee, 30, said the vinyl flooring in parts of her home was soaked, and there was water damage to a wall after the HDB’s Building Service Centre alerted her to leaks in the unit on Feb 13. Although SP is repairing the damage to her unit, Ms Ee said the incident put a bad taste in her mouth. “I cancelled my contract as I don’t want to risk it ‘flooding’ again,” said the allied health professional.
Ms Ee said the floor in parts of her home was soaked after a leaking episode. PHOTO: MITCHELL EE
A resident who wanted to be known only as Mr Chung, 60, said that shortly after he and his family moved into their five-room flat in January, he observed water droplets forming on the piping along his corridor, and there were some watermarks on his false ceiling.
“I quickly shut off the water valve as I heard of other leaking cases, and did not want our false ceiling and carpentry to be damaged. We have slept without air-conditioning for the past three weeks,” said Mr Chung, adding that he had spent $54,000 on renovating his home.
The SP spokesman said new BTO flats have a 12-month defects liability period that covers the fan coil units, piping and trunking within their units.
The Daikin spokesman said condensation in air-conditioning is a common issue in Singapore due to high humidity. He cited a written parliamentary reply from the Ministry of National Development in January that said the HDB receives an average of 715 cases of feedback a year about condensation in conventional air-conditioning.
Asked about the leakage issues, a spokeswoman for the HDB said it was aware of feedback on the cooling system from some residents, and has been supporting SP to address them.
Its BTO contractors will also assist with some touch-up works, such as those arising from installation of the cooling system, and rectification works done by SP or Daikin workers, on a goodwill basis, she added.
“HDB will continue to monitor the feedback on the centralised cooling system together with SP Group, and support them to ensure that the roll-out of the system in Tengah proceeds as smoothly as possible,” the spokeswoman said.
Tengah residents face issues with central cooling system
Some Tengah residents upset centralised cooling system not yet installed after getting keys to units
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So Tengah BTO residents are just farked in the arse big time.
https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/te...pay-thousands-of-for-cancellation-lol.354470/
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CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS
In terms of cancellation fees, some residents said they were only recently told to pay 135 per cent the cost of their contract for the centralised cooling system if they pulled out.One of these residents, Ms Geraldine Ong, is due to collect her keys to her flat at Plantation Acres at the end of this month.
The accountant – also part of the group of residents who signed the letter – had wanted to cancel the cooling system as she was worried about leaking, the usage cost and SP Group's unresponsiveness to her queries.
The 38-year-old said she was asked to pay 135 per cent of the cost of her cooling system when she spoke to an SP staff member on Oct 24.
The cost of her five indoor units is S$4,500 excluding the Goods and Services Tax. This means that she may have to fork out S$6,075 if she terminates, an amount Ms Ong described as "crazy".
She expressed disappointment that SP Group had not pointed out the relevant clauses in the contract when she signed the agreement.
IT professionals Mr Sun, 33, and Mrs Sun, 30, told CNA about their worries of incurring a hefty loss if they cancelled their contract.
The system has already been installed in their five-room flat at Plantation Village; they are due to collect their keys in the first quarter of next year.
Their five indoor units costs S$4,917, including the additional cost of shifting a unit.
The couple had found that the cooling system's trunking ran into the toilet, affecting their renovation plans there. They were not made aware of this design when they signed up.
They also cited SP Group’s unresponsiveness to their queries as a factor in deciding to cancel their contract.
On Monday, SP Group said SP Group collects 35 per cent of the installation charge from customers who choose not to proceed with the system after a 30-day cooling off period when they sign an installation agreement. This is due to costs and resources incurred to secure supply and contracts for the installation.
Customers also have to pay the full installation charge if they choose not to proceed after the fan coil units, piping and cabling have been installed.
However, SP Group said it will now reduce the payment to be collected by 50 per cent in the event of cancellation as a “further gesture of goodwill”.
This was after taking into account feedback from the early batch of homeowners and the initial issues that cropped up.
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Many are forced to pak jiam like moi....tio call by HR
Pundek can talk. Cannot work.
MIW love love these talents
Same shit here job offer withdrawn as I never jab I wait until no people jab then jab 2 moderna and that's it fuck PAP next pandemic fuck any vaccine to hell no more jabs, jab already still kena Covid but lucky is BA5 not the Wuhan one
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