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SG propaganda on SQ321 pilot's negligence: "pilots saved our lives" wor...

LITTLEREDDOT

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Most air turbulences can be detected and pilots have enough time to prepare, including switching on the "Fasten seatbelt" sign.

Quote: “And suddenly, the plane plunged,” he told the BBC, adding that he had just returned from the restroom and that there was “no warning at all”.

In this incident, there was no warning. The "fasten seatbelt" sign was switched on just before the plane plunged.

Quote: "The passenger also said that the crew, despite being injured themselves, did their best to tend to injured passengers and did a “sterling job”."

Nowhere in the report did any passenger praised the pilot.

And yet the headline read: "The pilots saved our lives..."

Both pilots were sleeping!

There should be a commission of inquiry and the recording from the black box will tell how much lead time the pilots were given of air turbulence ahead, and how late they informed the passengers.

And why was SQ321 the only plane to hit air turbulence without warning?
What about the other planes who flew through that area before and after? Why did they have more time to respond?


‘The pilots saved our lives’: Passengers describe chaos aboard turbulence-hit Singapore Airlines flight​

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Oxygen masks (left) are seen onboard Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 after an emergency landing at Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi International Airport on May 21. PHOTO: X, REUTERS
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Christie Chiu

MAY 22, 2024

SINGAPORE - Passengers and crew aboard a Singapore Airlines flight on May 21 were midway through a routine breakfast service when the plane plunged without warning, throwing things in the cabin, even people, everywhere.
The bout of severe turbulence, which occurred about 10 hours into the flight of SQ321 from London to Singapore, left a scene of chaos in the plane, with dents in the overhead cabin panels, oxygen masks and panels hanging from the ceiling and luggage strewn about.
“I saw people from across the aisle going completely horizontal, hitting the ceiling and landing back down in really awkward positions. People, like, getting massive gashes in the head, concussions,” passenger Dzafran Azmir, 28, told Reuters after arriving in Singapore.
Passengers told reporters they saw heads slamming into the overhead lights – in some cases the impact was forceful enough to dent the panels.
One passenger, who described what happened as the worst day of his life, said things were going “very smoothly” up until the moment of turbulence.
“And suddenly, the plane plunged,” he told the BBC, adding that he had just returned from the restroom and that there was “no warning at all”.
He and his wife ended up hitting their heads on the ceiling, as they witnessed other passengers who were walking around forced into “somersaults”.

The passenger also said that the crew, despite being injured themselves, did their best to tend to injured passengers and did a “sterling job”.
The incident, which left one passenger dead and many others injured, caused the flight to be diverted to Bangkok, Thailand.
There were 211 passengers on the flight, which included 41 Singaporeans. The others were from countries such as Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand and Britain. There were also 18 crew members on board.

Passenger Drew Kessler shared on Facebook a photograph of his water bottle lodged in the ceiling of the plane.
“The picture shows my water bottle stuck in the ceiling of the airplane, next to where I hit,” he wrote in a post on May 22.
Mr Kessler, who had been travelling with his family, said he suffered a broken neck, while his wife “got the worst of it and has a broken back”.
Despite both being in “a lot of pain” and awaiting test results at a hospital in Bangkok, he said the family is in “good spirits” and that his children were unharmed.
“Clearly things could have been worse and we feel blessed,” he said.

Also among those on board was Singaporean Bobby Chin, a former member of the Council of Presidential Advisers. He told The Straits Times that he and his wife were both injured during the incident.
Australian Teandra Tukhunen said she was abruptly woken up when she was “thrown to the roof and then to the floor”.
Speaking to British news outlet Sky News at Bangkok’s Samitivej Srinakarin Hospital, she said that the ordeal happened “pretty much immediately” after the seatbelt sign came on, leaving her with little time to fasten her seatbelt.
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Uninjured passengers returned to Changi Airport via a special flight SQ9071 from Bangkok, which landed at around 5am on May 22. ST PHOTO: ARIFFIN JAMAR
The 30-year-old, who had her arm in a sling, said: “It was just so quick, over in a couple of seconds and then you’re just shocked. Everyone’s pretty freaked out…The pilots saved our lives.”
Another passenger, who was lying in a trolley in the same hospital, said: “I don’t think I’ll be flying again for a while,” adding that the ordeal was “quite scary”.
Recounting the incident, he described hearing a loud noise before things came crashing through the ceiling, water began spilling everywhere and people started crying.
“It wasn’t a fun end to the journey,” he said. He added that he was in “a lot of pain”, and felt even worse after word of the dead passenger sank in.
SIA has since brought 131 passengers and 12 crew members to Singapore through a relief flight early in the morning of May 22.
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The arrival of passengers who were on board SQ321 at Changi Airport on May 22. ST PHOTO: ARIFFIN JAMAR
The father of a Singaporean passenger told ST on May 22 at Singapore Changi Airport that his 22-year-old son had been on the aircraft with his girlfriend when the turbulence hit.
His son had said he was “thrown all over the place”, but was all right save for a few knocks, said the 57-year-old, who works in the logistics industry and wanted to be known only as Mr Chew.
Mr Chew, his wife, his son, as well as the younger Mr Chew’s girlfriend and her loved ones were later seen embracing one another in the arrival hall, before leaving together.
The dead passenger has been identified as a 73-year-old Briton, Mr Geoffrey Kitchen. He was a retired insurance professional and musical theatre director, according to British reports.
The father of two and his wife, who was also on the flight and later taken to hospital, were en route to a six-week holiday and were intending to visit Singapore, Indonesia, Japan and Australia.
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British passenger Geoffrey Kitchen died aboard flight SQ321 from a suspected heart attack. PHOTO: GEOFF.KITCHEN.75/FACEBOOK
Thornbury Musical Theatre Group, which Mr Kitchen helped run for over 35 years, said in a Facebook post on May 21 (May 22 Singapore time) that his commitment to the group was “unquestionable”.
“Geoff was always a gentleman with the utmost honesty and integrity and always did what was right for the group,” the group said.
 
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Propaganda is also quick to say that the dead man died from a "likely or suspected" heart attack, not from injuries when the plane dived during the air turbulence

Recap: Singapore Airlines passenger who died is British man who likely had heart attack​

Lee Li Ying, Lok Jian Wen and Tan Hui Yee

MAY 22, 2024

A recap of what we know so far
Severe turbulence hit Singapore Airlines (SIA) flight SQ321 flying to Singapore from London’s Heathrow Airport, leaving one dead and many passengers injured.
FlightRadar24 said there were thunderstorms when SQ321 encountered turbulence over the Irrawaddy Basin in Myanmar at about 2.19pm local time.
Data showed that the flight encountered a rapid change in vertical rate, consistent with sudden turbulence, and the unexpected changes lasted for nearly one minute.
The pilot declared a medical emergency and the plane was diverted to Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok.
There were 211 passengers, including 41 Singaporeans, and 18 crew members aboard SQ321.
The dead passenger is a 73-year-old British man who died from a suspected heart attack.
A SIA team has arrived in Bangkok to provide assistance to affected passengers and crew.
Many of the injured are being treated at Samitivej Srinakarin Hospital in Bangkok.
About 100 other passengers will return on SQ’s rescue plane, which is expected to land in Singapore at around 4am.
The Transport Safety Investigation Bureau of the Ministry of Transport said it is investigating the incident.
 

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Propaganda is also quick to say that the dead man died from a "likely or suspected" heart attack, not from injuries when the plane dived during the air turbulence

Recap: Singapore Airlines passenger who died is British man who likely had heart attack​

Lee Li Ying, Lok Jian Wen and Tan Hui Yee

MAY 22, 2024

A recap of what we know so far
Severe turbulence hit Singapore Airlines (SIA) flight SQ321 flying to Singapore from London’s Heathrow Airport, leaving one dead and many passengers injured.
FlightRadar24 said there were thunderstorms when SQ321 encountered turbulence over the Irrawaddy Basin in Myanmar at about 2.19pm local time.
Data showed that the flight encountered a rapid change in vertical rate, consistent with sudden turbulence, and the unexpected changes lasted for nearly one minute.
The pilot declared a medical emergency and the plane was diverted to Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok.
There were 211 passengers, including 41 Singaporeans, and 18 crew members aboard SQ321.
The dead passenger is a 73-year-old British man who died from a suspected heart attack.
A SIA team has arrived in Bangkok to provide assistance to affected passengers and crew.
Many of the injured are being treated at Samitivej Srinakarin Hospital in Bangkok.
About 100 other passengers will return on SQ’s rescue plane, which is expected to land in Singapore at around 4am.
The Transport Safety Investigation Bureau of the Ministry of Transport said it is investigating the incident.

Smlj "likely have a heart attack"....have or not? If not dont speculate
 

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Smlj "likely have a heart attack"....have or not? If not dont speculate

Exactly. When it comes to sensitive matters, politicians and media always said don't speculate, don't jump to conclusions, don't listen to fake news, and we will POFMA those who made misleading or untrue statements.

But here, the Shitty Times did not leave it open, saying the man could have died from a heart attack or from injuries suffered during the turbulence, or from both. Instead, the Shitty Times ruled out the cause of death to be injuries suffered. The injuries suffered most likely triggered the heart attack.
 

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If the pilots did indeed save the lives of the passengers, they should be honoured as heroes.
Please publish their names and their nationalities and splash their photographs all over the government-controlled media.
 

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Let's all calm down. This is Singapore- a Rule of Law Nation.

My condolences to the family of British passenger Mr. Geoffrey Kitchen who passed on. He is a far better place than here now...

May SIA leave no stone UNTURNED in its investigation to the cause. SIA is a pride of our Nation, of its efficiency & effectiveness over every aspect of flight initiatives that won applaud from Humankind all over the World since its inception for decades, and thus its profits earned which is SHARED to all - investors, mgmt & hardworking crews from pilots to tech crews, even to cleaners.

Let there be NO cover-ups or scandals such as those that happened to Boeing recently... Each life is precious & means something special to another & thus most of Humankind had respected & trusted SIA for decades. Let that faith be sustained by SIA being TRANSPARENT, to SAVE lives, trust in flight & National economy.

It may had been Nature, or pilot errors. Most flight todays are not just fully automated, but supported by Ground Control on weather conditions such as atmospheric pressures, lightnings, etc, etc, as well as even a 2nd pilot officer to assist in flight operations when all else fails. Such systems had EVOLVED over years & REGULAR updates on such evolutions are passed on to EVERY officer in flight operations, from pilots to even CEOs.

It would be comprehensible if a military pilot were to pull such a stunt if he faces imminent danger, as his eyes & training of what he sees in front of him or the reality senses felt from his aircraft & he would over cede any even AI commands or prompts, let alone directives from ground control, to survive himself & the aircraft. HOWEVER, a commercial aircraft does NOT carry himself alone, but crew & passengers numbering to tens or hundreds, a responsibility that he MUST NEVER, ever perform a reckless act.....

Thus it is a surprise HOW such an accident could occur......


 
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It's really hilarious how one GLC vehemently defends another GLC. It has been happening for decades, but it has never been as bold and shameless as it is now. :biggrin:

You have to give credit to the propagandists: they knew the assignment. :wink:
 

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If everyone of the 211 passengers file a claim up to US$175,00 each, SIA would have to pay out US$36.925m in compensation.

Passengers injured in turbulence-hit SIA flight could receive varying compensation​

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A passenger who was on board Flight SQ321 arrives at Changi Airport on a relief flight on May 22. ST PHOTO: ARIFFIN JAMAR
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MAY 22, 2024

SINGAPORE - Passengers injured by severe turbulence on a Singapore Airlines (SIA) flight on May 21 are likely eligible for compensation, but the amount that each receives could differ dramatically, even for identical injuries, due to an international treaty.
One passenger died, and the airline said 30 passengers were treated for injuries after Flight SQ321 from London to Singapore made an emergency landing in Bangkok on May 21. Bangkok’s Samitivej Hospital said it was treating 71 passengers.
Under the Montreal Convention, SIA is liable for accidents, which can include turbulence, on international flights, regardless of whether the airline was negligent, according to US aviation lawyers.
If passengers file a lawsuit, the airline cannot contest damages up to around US$175,000 (S$236,000).
If a passenger seeks larger damages, SIA can try to limit liability by proving it took all necessary measures to avoid the turbulence, said Mr Mike Danko, a California attorney who represents passengers. He said airlines rarely prevail on such arguments.
Mr Danko said the airline can also limit its liability by showing that the passenger bore some of the fault for the injury, such as by ignoring warnings to wear a seat belt.
The size of damages often comes down to the country where the case is filed, and how the legal system assesses the amount of compensation.

Mr Daniel Rose, a New York attorney at Kreindler & Kreindler, which represents passengers, said: “First and foremost, what is the jurisdiction where you can bring a claim and how do they value injury claims?”
For example, US juries have awarded passengers more than US$1 million for the emotional trauma of severe turbulence, while many courts in other countries award far less, if anything, for similar emotional distress.
The Montreal Convention sets out various rules for determining where a claim can be brought, which can depend on the destination, where the ticket was purchased, and the residence of the passenger.
The May 21 flight departed from London bound for Singapore and carried passengers from around the world.
Aviation attorneys said British passengers on a round-trip ticket originating in London could file a claim in the British courts.

Others might have been planning to catch a connecting flight to return home to Indonesia, where they would have to bring their claim. As a result, claims might differ widely in value for the same injury.
Mr Curtis Miner, a Florida attorney who represents passengers, said the 2013 crash of an Asiana Airlines plane in San Francisco resulted in injured passengers with widely varying compensation because many were flying round-trip originating from various East Asian cities.
“The passengers were from all over the place,” said Mr Miner. “So people who may have had similar injuries, some could bring their case in San Francisco, but others were not able to.” REUTERS
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US$37m is short shrift considering a lifetime of emotional and psychological scarring, and the physical damage. Let's not forget, a foreign client died. But of course, in typical cheebai fashion, they will demonise and run others down while spinning narratives to make themselves look white as snow. The devil in the bible does that all the time, starting with Eden
 

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What were the weather conditions in the Thai Basin when this incident took place?

The Press had done its best to help other others understand Turbulence, which may had been a major factor, portraying 'Clean air' which is INVISIBLE but consists of atmospheric pressures unknown to the naked eye.

However, visibility may had been a factor for the pilot crews reactions as that area had experienced cyclones & major tropical storms recently, & may not had experienced 'clean air' - clear skies.


But WHAT made the pilot crews perform that dangerous & abnormal stunt that only single or dual seater jet fighter pilots would do?

Turbulence can be felt, but Boeing aircrafts are manufactured to be able to withstand even extreme turbulence. So what did the pilot crews saw that they had to take drastic & even reckless actions to save lives & integrity of aircraft?

Was it some Paranormal activities happening within that visibility fog, or was just a figment of imagination from the flight captain?

It was reported that the flight captain had 15 years of experience, which accounts for not much as EACH flight is a NEW flight with new challenges. Assuming that he was 25yrs old when he started flying full time, he would be 40yrs old today. When was the flight captain & 2nd Officer had their psychology assessment done?

It will need honest & open investigation of this incident before Humankind will confidently take to the skies again...which they will, as most believed such are isolated incidents, but still worth investigating so as to prevent another such incident & save lives with better counter measures when such incident happens again....

 
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Singkie Airlines training is supposed too be top tier...so if it happened to another airline...like some 3rd world country Airlines...the situation will be much worst as the plane would have crashed
 

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Is all BS lah… recalling the 787 incidents?
The US try to blame everyone and everything but ended up is the manufacturer faults.

IMHO, Boeing had lost it glory due to boosting their earning and share prices and cutting cost. But Boeing is too big to fail, so they would blame everyone (pilots) and everything (air pockets / climate change) so to avoid responsibility on their equipment
 
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