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Serious Saving $1m through CPF

frenchbriefs

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$1m in CPF by age 65

http://www.straitstimes.com/business...-cpf-by-age-65

Entrepreneur Wong Hong Ting began regularly transferring his Central Provident Fund (CPF) savings from his Ordinary Account to his Special Account last year in order to grow his retirement funds faster.

Mr Wong, 32, told The Sunday Times: "It is a no-brainer using CPF schemes - particularly the attractive 4 per cent interest rate for the Special Account compounded annually - to grow my safety net."

With interest rates so low in general, these rates are not to be sniffed at. Since 1998, CPF members have been able to transfer savings from their Ordinary Accounts to their Special Accounts so long as the total amount in their Special Accounts does not exceed the prevailing Full Retirement Sum (FRS), which now stands at $161,000.

The Ordinary Account offers a guaranteed annual interest rate of 2.5 per cent while the Special Account pays 4 per cent. The first $20,000 of Ordinary Account balances and $40,000 of Special Account balances earn 1 percentage point more.

From January 1 this year, members aged 55 and older have been earning up to 6 per cent for the first $30,000 in their Retirement Accounts.

Mr Wong owns software-development firm 2359 Media, which he set up with $12,000 in June 2009, a few months before he graduated from the National University of Singapore (NUS) with a degree in Quantitative Finance.

His firm now has 100 staff in its three offices, in Indonesia, Vietnam and Singapore. He aims to own more than one business in the near future and sees himself managing these enterprises for a long time.

He married in 2013. His wife, Ms Loo Hoey Lit, 31, is a homemaker and they have a 17-month-old son Zii Xiang. They live in a resale five-room HDB flat in Telok Blangah, which was bought for $700,000 in 2014. The flat is covered under the Home Protection insurance scheme. The couple plans to have four children.

FINANCIAL PROFILE

Mr Wong has about $70,000 in his CPF, of which $40,000 is in his Special Account, $25,000 is in Medisave and about $5,000 is in his Ordinary Account. Every quarter, he transfers a few thousand dollars - Ordinary Account savings and cash - to his Special Account. He plans to "max out" his Special Account until it reaches the prevailing FRS and do the same with his Medisave Account, before looking at other investments. He calls his CPF funds his retirement "safety net".

By age 45, Mr Wong aims to have enough money in his Special Account to grow to $1 million in his Retirement Account at age 65. His other objectives include ensuring sufficient funds for his children's education and to build a property portfolio. He believes he would require at least a minimum and conservative inflation-adjusted equivalent of $2,500 a month for both him and his wife in the future.

A saver, Mr Wong says it is his father - a retired NUS professor - who inculcated the habit of thrift in him in his youth.

He avoids impulsive spending and does not own a car. He also ensures that the credit limits of his cards remain intentionally low, despite the banks' repeated requests to increase them. His debt service ratio is low at 10 per cent.

Mr Wong has set aside an emergency fund that will fund a year of monthly expenses, and has $5,000 cash available for investments.

He has whole-life plans with sums assured of $300,000 each for himself and his wife, as well as an endowment plan for his son's education.

Like most CPF members, Mr Wong relies on his CPF savings to fund his home purchase, something that he now regrets as he believes he can grow his CPF funds faster by leaving them with the Board.

FINANCIAL EXPERT CHRISTOPHER TAN

CPF Advisory Panel member and Providend chief executive Christopher Tan says Mr Wong's action plan to top up his Special Account with Ordinary Account savings and cash is commendable.

Still, CPF members must be aware that the transfer is one way, meaning that they cannot reverse the decision after the top-ups.

The CPF top-ups also work well for Mr Wong as he is an entrepreneur.

Mr Tan says: "The good thing about having the CPF as a safety net for Mr Wong is that the monies are protected from creditors in the event of bankruptcy. This is especially important for entrepreneurs."

What also works in Mr Wong's favour is his long investment time horizon of 33 years. He also has sufficient emergency funds and a low debt level.

Mr Tan warns that members should be aware that CPF rules may change, which could affect the projected accumulated CPF savings. For example, the interest-rate floor of 2.5 per cent and 4 per cent may be removed.

"If the Special Account interest rate is pegged directly to the 10-year Singapore Government Securities plus 1 per cent, with the current floor rate of 4 per cent removed, the CPF interest rates would become lower and you might not be able to reach your financial goals," he adds.

Mr Tan adds that Mr Wong's insurance coverage may not be sufficient to provide the family with $30,000 annually and adjusted for inflation for at least the next 20 to 25 years, until his son becomes independent. This being so, he might want to increase his insurance coverage.

One prudent way is to use term insurance as it is the most cost-effective way to get cover.

"He needs cover only until he becomes financially independent, at age 65 latest. And if Mr Wong increases his insurance coverage, his ability to take risk will be higher," notes Mr Tan. Based on a risk profiling assessment, his willingness to take risk is also high.

Mr Tan also recommends that Mr Wong consider a comprehensive health plan for his family if he has not already done so. This would include a hospitalisation and surgical plan as well as critical illness cover.

USING CPF TO BUILD A SAFETY NET AT AGE 45

Mr Wong will continue to transfer 100 per cent of his Ordinary Account funds to his Special Account this year and the next. In addition, he will top up his Special Account with $3,000 cash monthly during the same period.

Mr Tan works out that when Mr Wong turns 34, his Special Account balance will exceed the prevailing FRS then, and he can no longer do any top-ups. This is based on the assumption that the FRS increases by 3 per cent per annum.

At age 45, his Ordinary Account balance would have grown to $235,000 and his Special Account would amount to $339,000.

Even if he no longer contributes to CPF at that age, Mr Tan estimates that Mr Wong's CPF balances will compound annually at 2.5 per cent (Ordinary Account) and 4 per cent (Special Account) to reach about $1 million at age 65, thus achieving his retirement safety-net objective.

However, it is likely that Mr Wong will continue to contribute into his CPF after age 45 and his safety net will be in excess of $1 million at age 65. Mr Tan assumes that Mr Wong's monthly salary is at least $6,000 and his annual wage supplement is one month.

To keep the calculations simple, Mr Tan ignores the tiered CPF interest rates for different amounts and bases his working on annualised compounding of all CPF balances, contributions and top-ups at the end of each year. He also does not take into consideration the flow of money from the Medisave Account into the Special or Ordinary Account when it hits the threshold.

INVESTMENTS FOR RETIREMENT PLANNING

Assuming that Mr Wong's monthly mortgage instalment is $2,000, Mr Tan advises that Mr Wong can now start using $2,000 out of his $5,000 investable cash to pay his mortgage, instead of using his retirement funds.

And by the age of 34, since he will no longer be topping up his Special Account, he will have available cash of $3,000 for investments.

Although Mr Wong's ability and willingness to take risk is high, Mr Tan is recommending a balanced exchange-traded funds (ETF) portfolio. This is because Mr Wong has a "low need" to take risk since he says he needs $1 million which he can achieve simply by growing his CPF.

Mr Tan says: "Mr Wong's biggest risk is already in his business, so I try to be more conservative for him in other investments. Besides, even with a lower risk/return investment, he can achieve more than what he wants as his safety net. Assuming a conservative annualised return of 5 per cent, his accumulated amount at age 65 from his ETF investment would be $2.6 million."

A balanced ETF portfolio would have an asset allocation of Singapore equities (20 per cent), global equities (40 per cent), emerging market equities (10 per cent) and Singapore bonds (30 per cent), according to Mr Tan.

Another investment avenue - using CPF savings - is the recently introduced Lifetime Retirement Investment Scheme (LRIS), mooted by the CPF Advisory Panel. The LRIS is an alternative, simplified investment option that will offer a small number of low-fee, well-diversified and passively managed funds. It is targeted at CPF members who do not have the financial expertise or time to select and monitor their investments.

"When the new LRIS is rolled out, Mr Wong can consider investing monies accumulated in his Ordinary Account for higher expected returns, if he is prepared to take some risk," said Mr Tan.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Not for speculation or let out to rent. Your actual home becomes your investment. The mad lady who stopped her Ferrari in the middle of Orchard Rd is the wife of an ex PAP MP Heng Chiang Meng. He bought his bungalow in the early 80s for $1m and the property is now valued at $50m. Deen Shahul of the niteclub scene and Mano Sabnani both were busy in their day jobs that they simply acquired properties empty at times over the years and both now have a string of high end properties that they manage in their retirement.

Mano Sabnani was Editor of Business Time and used to run the famous Hock Low Siew column advising on equities and the man himself invested in properties.

If you want to dabble in the property marker for rent or speculation, you must have playing capital. And it is not for faint hearted. The safer way is buy the worst house in the best location.

There are quite afew of such mega hit players who rode the first big property boom cycle in the 80s-90s.

Amongst the legal eagles, Satpal Khattar and retired Judge of Appeal L P Thean stand out, both made 9 figure values from low 7 figure investments( not counting their first foray in the 70s which was in an unbelievable 6 figure bracket!).

Legendary story also revolves around a very gutsy Roderick Martin S C (who came from a HDB background) and his wife(a Standard Chartered Banker) who flipped numerous GCBs while staying in a rented property and probably made close to a 9 figure value eventually. His super car collection was also legendary!
 

scroobal

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Was not aware of Martin and his properties. Reminds me of the Katong Florist who decided to get into GCB rental game after delivering flowers to the rich and famous.

It was quite an irony as this was also the period where the stock exchange and CLOB were running red hot yet these folks quietly put their money into property. I do recall that Satpal applied to build a swimming pool in his new home circa 1980s. I suspect when Satpal was in the Tax Dept he must have worked out what the rich and famous were doing including the Lee Clan. Lee Clan never touched the stock market, only properties.

Mano Sabnani was also one time the Director of Research for DBS securities yet he invested in properties.

Know of a SIA country manager who bought a bungalow and ended up with $10m. He is now 70, frugal by nature and he has no idea what to do with the money as he lost his wife to cancer when she was in her 30s. Even today he checks his phone bills carefully and he hardly makes any calls Had to persuade him to take a holiday in Europe.





There are quite afew of such mega hit players who rode the first big property boom cycle in the 80s-90s.

Amongst the legal eagles, Satpal Khattar and retired Judge of Appeal L P Thean stand out, both made 9 figure values from low 7 figure investments( not counting their first foray in the 70s which was in an unbelievable 6 figure bracket!).

Legendary story also revolves around a very gutsy Roderick Martin S C (who came from a HDB background) and his wife(a Standard Chartered Banker) who flipped numerous GCBs while staying in a rented property and probably made close to a 9 figure value eventually. His super car collection was also legendary!
 

Wunderfool

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Was not aware of Martin and his properties. Reminds me of the Katong Florist who decided to get into GCB rental game after delivering flowers to the rich and famous.

It was quite an irony as this was also the period where the stock exchange and CLOB were running red hot yet these folks quietly put their money into property. I do recall that Satpal applied to build a swimming pool in his new home circa 1980s. I suspect when Satpal was in the Tax Dept he must have worked out what the rich and famous were doing including the Lee Clan. Lee Clan never touched the stock market, only properties.

Mano Sabnani was also one time the Director of Research for DBS securities yet he invested in properties.

Know of a SIA country manager who bought a bungalow and ended up with $10m. He is now 70, frugal by nature and he has no idea what to do with the money as he lost his wife to cancer when she was in her 30s. Even today he checks his phone bills carefully and he hardly makes any calls Had to persuade him to take a holiday in Europe.

What this tells us is that these folks don't need to rely on the CPF to make it rich in life. They knew something from the inside and made the right investment.
 

Wunderfool

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since when does CPF makes u rich?

Exactly. I refute the thread about trying to make your money work hard for you just to save a million through your CPF. The money in CPF could be used to pay for your property investment which is a wiser choice of making more $ for you, but that is provided you have the inside story about the property investment.
 
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frenchbriefs

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I find the best and safest method is to payoff your pigeon hole ASAP best before 35. After that transfer all your oa to sa , Same time top up with cash to the cpf ms. Still continue to add on to the oa from your slavery job. When reach 55, you store the ms with pappy. The balance u have the luxury to treat it like a bank. No other fom of investment can beat this with no risk

U are so rich can pay off hdb before 35 and still have substantive savings and investments?nowadays pigeon holes cost 300k to 500k.buying hdb first will doom u to poverty unless u rent it out and treat it as a investment property and live with parents.
 

kkbutterfly

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at the end of the day, balance is the key word.
no point you save save save and lack entertainment, eat unhealthy food, have load of $$.
life is not all about money.

the right way is,you work hard and smart.save what you can.eat healthy and also spend wisely on entertainment.
 

Papsmearer

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Was not aware of Martin and his properties. Reminds me of the Katong Florist who decided to get into GCB rental game after delivering flowers to the rich and famous.

It was quite an irony as this was also the period where the stock exchange and CLOB were running red hot yet these folks quietly put their money into property. I do recall that Satpal applied to build a swimming pool in his new home circa 1980s. I suspect when Satpal was in the Tax Dept he must have worked out what the rich and famous were doing including the Lee Clan. Lee Clan never touched the stock market, only properties.

Mano Sabnani was also one time the Director of Research for DBS securities yet he invested in properties.

Know of a SIA country manager who bought a bungalow and ended up with $10m. He is now 70, frugal by nature and he has no idea what to do with the money as he lost his wife to cancer when she was in her 30s. Even today he checks his phone bills carefully and he hardly makes any calls Had to persuade him to take a holiday in Europe.

I thought Satpal was nuts to have that swimming pool in his house. All the patrons of close by Shangri La Hotel will get a eyeful of his hairy chest whenever he takes a dip. LOL. He sold that house long ago for what was then a record price in singapore. I always find it quite interesting to see the difference between indian and chinese tycoons. Indians have no problems selling their original home or the home in which their fortunes were made and then moving on to a newer and bigger one. Chinese like Li Ka Shing will stay in their original home, even though they have outgrown it and can afford a newer and bigger one because of the luck factor and the fung shui. They will flip every other property they own except their original one.
 
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Papsmearer

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There are quite afew of such mega hit players who rode the first big property boom cycle in the 80s-90s.

Amongst the legal eagles, Satpal Khattar and retired Judge of Appeal L P Thean stand out, both made 9 figure values from low 7 figure investments( not counting their first foray in the 70s which was in an unbelievable 6 figure bracket!).

Legendary story also revolves around a very gutsy Roderick Martin S C (who came from a HDB background) and his wife(a Standard Chartered Banker) who flipped numerous GCBs while staying in a rented property and probably made close to a 9 figure value eventually. His super car collection was also legendary!

Satpal's Partner, Dr. Wong of Khattar Wong also made out like a bandit on properties. The top guy I know personally, who I shall not reveal here in this forum, has a portfolio of over 100 landed properties in Singapore, many of them in District 10. All bought through a couple of decades and placed in a ltd company held by their family. Imagine how anyone can have 100 landed properties in singapore!! The started when bungalows and semi Ds were less then $100,00 in outlying areas, in the good areas, maybe $250K.
 

frenchbriefs

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There are people who actually truly enjoy the process of living in poverty secretly and seeing the bank account grows . The sense of achievement surpass enjoyment from food and entertainment :biggrin:

Nigger please,although I am a proponent of frugal living,minimalism and sustainable living.ur lifestyle seems boring as fuck,like one of those lao ah peks sitting at the void deck day in day out for years and years playing chinese chess and listening to their 1950s old cheena songs on the ladio and watching birds sing.wtf watch ur account grow slowly,like machiam water dripping into a pail.do u have hoarders syndrome or something like many sick loser sinkies.stop being a pussy and embrace capitalism,greed is good.
 

chootchiew

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Nigger please,although I am a proponent of frugal living,minimalism and sustainable living.ur lifestyle seems boring as fuck,like one of those lao ah peks sitting at the void deck day in day out for years and years playing chinese chess and listening to their 1950s old cheena songs on the ladio and watching birds sing.wtf watch ur account grow slowly,like machiam water dripping into a pail.do u have hoarders syndrome or something like many sick loser sinkies.stop being a pussy and embrace capitalism,greed is good.

As a matter of fact, I dislike lao ah pek , lao ah hmm and chess as much as office politics.
Once a blue moon I still seek luxuries life but they are just repitative entertainments.
I enjoy see bank account grows. :smile:
 

enterprise2

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By age 36, I had already maxed out my SA and Medisave accounts, with some balance left in my OA. All it takes is financial prudence, spending within your means and not overpaying for your HDB apartment. By now, thanks to compound interest, my CPF account has around $800k. It's my 'Alamo' money if I cheat on my wife and in turn get cheated by some hooker from Batam or Shenzhen, and I have nothing left to fall back on.

Thanks to PAP, I am set for life.

Age 36 maxed out! What's wrong with u? I age 26 max out alr!
 

SNTCK

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U are so rich can pay off hdb before 35 and still have substantive savings and investments?nowadays pigeon holes cost 300k to 500k.buying hdb first will doom u to poverty unless u rent it out and treat it as a investment property and live with parents.

Not considered rich but just hard work. It is achievable.

2 graduated couple work for 10 years then can accumulate a certain amount of saving.
Like me and my partner. We in mid 30, investment 570k share .not included saving plan and unit trust and others fund.

Then cash 350k reserve.
 

bodycells

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Not considered rich but just hard work. It is achievable.

2 graduated couple work for 10 years then can accumulate a certain amount of saving.
Like me and my partner. We in mid 30, investment 570k share .not included saving plan and unit trust and others fund.

Then cash 350k reserve.

You work for 10 years only have 350k reserve for a couple?

Being an employee is really lagging behind. Pls go and learn to start something yourself. Within 2 years, you can go near 500k alone.
 

SNTCK

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You work for 10 years only have 350k reserve for a couple?

Being an employee is really lagging behind. Pls go and learn to start something yourself. Within 2 years, you can go near 500k alone.

Invest too much in share, now want buy property also no money.

Luckily we die die bought 2.5k saving plan per month since we just started to work. Wait till age 40 then we can have a sum of money.
 

scroobal

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My understanding was that he wanted to flog the house to Ang Mo for premium but no Ang Mo takers. His agents told him that Ang Mos prefer swimming pools thus he applied to get it done.

You are right about Indians selling their original homes.

I thought Satpal was nuts to have that swimming pool in his house. All the patrons of close by Shangri La Hotel will get a eyeful of his hairy chest whenever he takes a dip. LOL. He sold that house long ago for what was then a record price in singapore. I always find it quite interesting to see the difference between indian and chinese tycoons. Indians have no problems selling their original home or the home in which their fortunes were made and then moving on to a newer and bigger one. Chinese like Li Ka Shing will stay in their original home, even though they have outgrown it and can afford a newer and bigger one because of the luck factor and the fung shui. They will flip every other property they own except their original one.
 
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