Saudi Crown Prince: ‘Constitution of Saudi Arabia is the Perfect Koran,’ but pledges some reforms

[syed putra]

Without the hadith, the believers will revert back to its originsl form. No rituals, no mosques. No pilgrimage.

 

[JohnTan]

Another interpretation, reforming islam will imply Islam is not perfect. I am very worry for MBS's head.

The hadiths have been long around for centuries. moslems today view the quran and hadith as both equally divine. Without the hadith, islam as a religion can't function.

 

[mudhatter]

Tiny qatar hosts the Muslim brotherhood, taliban and hamas. Taliban and hamas leaders resides there.
The current islamic belief and practices are flawed. Its not that of the original.
The initial believers served God. Current believers serves reIigion.

There is no single Islamic practice

As for problems it's simple

the entire band of ceca-lite of over 3 billion+ ppl from africa middle east north africa balkans anatolia caucasus iran central asia pakis ceca bangla lanka south asia asean = low iQ poor work ethic ill disciplined quarrelsome not inventive or creative enough to defaet ang moh kias either
got nothing really

e.g.
there is no country on planet Earth

with 104 million ppl or less
that can conquer
defeat
crush
obliterate
eliminate or
subjugate
northern gooks

of only 26 million ppl or thereabout

yet you have the likes of iran turkey pakis egpt bangla indon etc lousy countries that at their best also scared to go toe to toe with at most 4 times as populous yankees

such lousy countries

at worst, the ratio is no more than 1.3

how come all these countries combined also can't whack yankees?

ceca-lite genes cognitive abilities talentless population etc explains it

wonder what if anything that iran indonesia turkey or pakis could help or assist 1.4 billion tiongkok or 1.3 billion+ ceca 78 IQ with at all ? by transferring tech? know how? expertise? management? infrastructure? anything?

 

[syed putra]

The problem with current muslims is they cannot tolerate divergent views like that of the original believers. The early muslims discuss about plato and Aristotle. Knowledge from persia and rome. And from indua and far east. Muslims learn to make paper from china. So koran was not readily available until later on so they did not study on it that much.
Using common sense, many parts of the quran which muslims believe to be from God was made redundant by the introduction of the hadith which are hearsays written by men of unknown reputation.

 

[mudhatter]

The problem with current muslims is they cannot tolerate divergent views like that of the original believers. The early muslims discuss about plato and Aristotle. Knowledge from persia and rome. And from indua and far east. Muslims learn to make paper from china. So koran was not readily available until later on so they did not study on it that much.
Using common sense, many parts of the quran which muslims believe to be from God was made redundant by the introduction of the hadith which are hearsays written by men of unknown reputation.

Wrong.

Dead wrong.

The problem with current lot of Muslims worldwide is lack of publicly demonstrated, tested, deployed ICBMs with MIRV tech (bare minimum req) with thermonuclear warheads.

Plenty of Muslims are very tolerant of divergent views and even traitors to the Islamic cause.

Plenty of Muslims, by name, end up being secular and yet they can't prevent massacre occupation torture killing bombing against tens of millions of Muslims in their own countries.

As Norkies have shown very clearly, very ably, acquiring ICBM with MIRV tech (bare minimum req) with thermonuclear warheads goes a long way in securing your nation.

Therefore all the other commonly bandied about BS by the kuffar and their agents are mere distractions. In no way do any of those nonsense like economy, GDP, export/import, forex balance, secularism, open mind, subservience to the Western kuffar or other kuffar or other nonsense that the kuffar would like Muslims to believe in allow Muslims to be the number 1 military power in the world.


As we have seen, Russian military might allows it to dictate terms in Syria while Syria is next door to Turkey. Turkey's lack of military might means it has to beg yankees to protect them so Turks are a member of NATO, thats why they have to recognize Zionist entity, host their embassy and loudmouth BSer erdoggie can't expel Zionist embassy while they were oopenly bombing and killing innocents in Palestine.

Not the case with Russkies.

In Azerbaijan-Armenia issue as well, the war ended the moment Russkies said it ended. The war ended on Russkei terms, with Russkies acting as a 'mediator' between the two. And of course the cease fire agreement was signed in moskau russia not in istanbul or ankara turkey, or bejing tiongkok or ceca territory or yankee territory or zionist entity's occupied territory

military might more than economic might or other nonsense like secularism or other commonly touted Western solutions to the supposed problems of all Muslims worldwide is what is needed.


two of the finest such examples are norkies and russkies.


and among non muslims, two of the finest examples of economy/gdp/export/import/trade/industry etc not amounting to anything in real life are japs and germans .

yup two defeated countreis in wwII.

even with higher GDP than russkies, none of japs or germans can stand up against yankees/nato the way russkies do. both germans and japs remain occupied to this day on their own turf by yankee military.

 

[mudhatter]

Without the hadith, the believers will revert back to its originsl form. No rituals, no mosques. No pilgrimage.

Many so called Muslims believe in Islam the same way kuffar believe in their false religions.

They believe in whatever nonsense their ancestors or elders passed on to them. Blindly. In essence there is no difference between their beliefs and the beliefs of polytheists like hindus, animists, pagans christians who believe in trinity, jews, bahais zoroastrians taoists, shintoists, buddhists and other kafir.

you can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you insist in the unquestionable authenticity of Hadiths that are not unaltered nor unalterable, that were not jotted down until a few centuries after their narration, then you also have to believe that camel urine is a magic potion that cures many illnesses and that Turks need to be fought against (and killed) in immense numbers.

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight with the Turks-a people whose faces would be like hammered shields wearing clothes of hair and walking (with shoes) of hair.

Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine).

You can not have your cake and eat it too.

If you believe in the unquestionable authenticity of hadiths that were compiled centuries after their narration, then you need to accept all of these hadiths above and many more.