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Saudi Crown Prince: ‘Constitution of Saudi Arabia is the Perfect Koran,’ but pledges some reforms

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http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Mohammed-Bin-Salman-attempts-to-reform-Islam-53085.html


Paris (AsiaNews) – On April 27 Saudi Arabian Crown Prince, Mohammed Bin Salman (Mbs), gave a long television interview to the Saudi channel “Al-Arabiyahttp://www.asianews.it/news-en/Mohammed-Bin-Salman-attempts-to-reform-Islam-53085.html#_edn1, dedicated to his economic and social program for a new country in the framework of the 2030 vision, first unveiled in 2015.


In the interview he spoke of moderation in the application of Islamic laws, challenging Wahhabism, an ideology developed by Mohammed ben Abdelwahhab, an 18th century Saudi preacher, who reigned for a long time in the country and elsewhere, after promoting it for many decades in the Muslim world.


It would seem that MBS has come out in favor of the reform of Islam, when he stated: “All Muslim jurists and scholars have been talking about the concept of moderation for over a thousand years. So, I do not think I am in a position to clarify this concept, as much as I can … abide by the Saudi constitution, which is the Quran, the Sunnah, and our basic governance system and to implement it fully in a broad sense that is inclusive of everybody.”…


MBS also declared that “the Constitution of Saudi Arabia is the Koran” and that his country is “obliged to implement the Koran in one form or another”; that is: all citizens will be respected as such and in their differences. To be more explicit, he stressed that only what is only said “unequivocally” in the Koran should be applied: “In social and personal affairs, we are obliged to implement only the stipulations clearly enunciated in the Quran. Thus, I cannot apply a sharia punishment without a clear or explicit Koranic stipulation of the Sunna.”


If this is to take place, says MBS, then Islam needs reform and sources of religious legislation need review. In saying as much, MBS has placed himself alongside Muslim intellectuals such as Mohamed Arkoun, Mohamed Shahrour, Faraj Fouda and others. It must be said that many of these intellectuals have been persecuted, imprisoned, interdicted, or killed because they had defended a contemporary view of Islam, or tried to cure Islam of its illness: Wahhabism, or political Islam.


MBS says the reform is clear: “The government, where Sharia is concerned, has to implement Quran regulations and teachings in mutawater (well-known) hadiths[ii], and to look into the veracity and reliability of ahad hadiths[iii], and to disregard “khabar” hadiths[iv] entirely, unless if a clear benefit is derived from it for humanity. So, there should be no punishment related to a religious matter except when there is a clear Quranic stipulation, and this penalty will be implemented based on the way that the Prophet applied it.”


In this case, according to this criterion, only 10% of the valid hadiths remain, which are those converging with the Koran. In addition, some Islamic laws would disappear, such as stoning, scourging, amputating the hands of thieves, as well as Islamic criminal law laws [sic], such as the death of the apostate and homosexuals.


The announcement of the crown prince establishes a distance, a fundamental break with Wahhabism and constitutes a real change of ideological direction, in the sense that it favors recourse to the direct interpretation of the Koran and the hadith, without worrying about the different schools of thought and the ulama who forged Wahhabi Islamic thought.


The crown prince also added that “to implement a penalty on the pretext that it is a Sharia penalty while there is no stipulation for such a penalty in the Quran or in the mutawater hadith, then this is also a falsification of the Sharia […] When we commit ourselves to follow a certain school or scholar, this means we are deifying human beings. God Almighty did not put a barrier between Himself and people. He revealed the Quran and the Prophet PBUH implemented it and the space for interpretation is open permanently.”


Mbs continues: “If Sheikh Muhammad bin Abdulwahhab were with us today and he found us committed blindly to his texts and closing our minds to interpretation and jurisprudence while deifying and sanctifying him he would be the first to object to this. There are no fixed schools of thought and there is no infallible person. We should engage in continuous interpretation of Quranic texts and the same goes for the sunnah of the Prophet PBUH, and all fatwas should be based on the time, place, and mindset in which they are issued. For example, 100 years ago, when a scholar would issue a certain fatwah not knowing that the Earth was round and not knowing about continents or technology, etc. that fatwah would have been based on the then-available inputs and information and their understanding of the Quran and Sunnah, but these things change over time and are different right now.”…


In any case, it is curious to note that on the part of the leaders of Wahhabism there has been no reaction, if not some expression of support published in recent days[v]….
 

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Where does Quran or Sunnah say a royal family that upholds and protects petrodollar - in effect allowing kafir anti Islamic yahudi and christians to retain their hold over global financial system should be followed ?
 

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Somebody needs to take him out.

turkish donkeys bray so much about their drones
how come they don't launch their overhyped drones on israel today now that gaza is being bombed by cowardly joos?

how come turkic donkeys can't take out egyptian dictator sisi, mbs/mbz dictators of saud/uae with their drones?

what's all that turkic donkey hype about?
three hits on three dictators, within 5 mins, game over
egypt ksa uae falls to popular movement
in popular referendum all three vote to merge with qatar.
a big giant arab muslim federation can form
with nuclear weapons developed and ICBM developed
erdogan can join in too
don't expect anything from coward big mouth loser paki surrender monkeys
whose most honourable achievement is surrendering, unconditionally, to CECA in 1971 coz surrendering to Bangla somehow was more humiliating than surrendering to smelly ceca virus with their 1200 years of history of enslavement
:roflmao:

fact is iranian public and leaders are donkeys
their leaders are bunch of rag tag militias and mobsters and nothing more
they got no clue on how to go about achieving their aims
so they hobnob with coward loser big mouth pakis who go missing once the heat is on

after all the hype and hoo-haa, now when gaza is bombed by cowardly pissants juice, these paki rodents and sons of rodents, go missing

a bunch of surrender monkeys

fact is paki military is the bastard son of their brit master, same as their bureaucracy
end of discussion
if idiots like iranians (public or leaders) hope any revolutionary idea or assistance from these lousy pakis, they are barking up the wrong tree

why doesn't iran fire some hormuz 1 anti radiation ballsitic missile towards zionist terrorists? towards their irone dome radar sites? david's sling patriot arrow abm radar sites?

you take out their radar
fire drones
cruise missiles
ballistic missiles
from the north
north east
east
and then ease the pressure on gazza

what happened to much hyped iranian stealth copycat drones (copied from yankee rq-170)? went missing again?

typical lousy mediocre middle easterners
medium IQ
medium built
medium talent
medium population

medium in every sense
mediocre countries, with moderate talent ability performance tenacity organization and discipline can't match east or west

worst comes to worst, copy ceca increase population massively so that each country has a billion+ ppl
then build nukes and ICBM don't give a fuck about worthless UN
if UN imposes sanctions, straightaway nuke UN headquarters in jew york
problem resolved permanently

simple and elegant solution
lousy buggers can't even test 10 nukes publicly
pathetic morons
turks are another bunch of morons who kept braying that nukes can't be used in the modern era
now that cowardly pissant jooz are bombing gazza and they've realized yanks will fully back up joos under any circumstances, now they will try to hide under russkie or paki nukes (more like russkies nukes coz russkie got thermonukes, got ICBM, pakis got no thermonuclear warheads or ICBMs)
 

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lousy turkic donkey khamenei went missing again

fire some of these at iron dome, david's sling patriot arrow abm radar sites
take out their radars
then let hamas hezbollah houthis and other iranian aligned factions fire ballistic missiles cruise missiles MLRS suicide drones to their heart's content

test 10 nuke warhead
pleasant and simple but effective solution
 

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this is exactly why turks are called donkeys

turkic donkeys khamenei erdogan went missing and got no brains, zero IQ morons
wishy washy theories that nuclear weapons are haram by the turkic donkey khamenei :roflmao: or that nukes can not be used in the modern era by anybody as said by braying loudmouth low IQ imbecile turkic donkeys

now find that their bogus theories all invalidated

you don't need high GDP or huge budget nonsense

you need real military might

example

iu


thermonuclear warheads beside norkie dictator kim

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ICBM launched by norkie dictator kim

their population doesn't exceed 26m?
world Muslim population almost 2 billion for crying out loud

considering turks are donkeys all around the world, turkic donkeys like khamenei should readily accept it and for the sake of the Islamic world, repudiate any and all links to his turkic donkey heritage

almost 2000 million Muslims around the world should be churning out at least
3,076 nuclear warheads by now

sooo pathetic..


for crying out loud
send some bugger to norkie with bag full of gold and cash and other forms of payment
get some thermonuclear weapons off the shelf
get some disassembled hwasong 14, hwasong 15, hwasong 16 ICBM off the shelf


these nukes+ ICBMs can be fired immediately against juice and yanks if they don't back off
meanwhile
get the blueprint from norkies for a few additional bags of cash gold platinum or other forms of payment
now get to work and start mass production

within a few months, you should be able to produce a few thousand hydrogen bombs (thermonuclear warheads) + ICBMs deployed.

it's no more than a walk in the park

there are other options I won't mention in a public forum
those are even more reliable, and more secure, again I can't say them in public or describe them
simply knock out a few megacities in yankee territory
wipe out tel aviv haifa and ashdod beer sheba etc in one go

problem solved
zionist terrorism = resolved?
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yankee terrorism = contained?
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if blockheaded yanks still don't get the message, do we have failsafe options?
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win-win outcomes for all parties concerned ?
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works of art
sight to behold

a real gem

nobody should give a rat's @rse abt bogus but popularly bandied abt indicators like GDP, budget, expenditure, exchange rate or other BS.

norkie example - with a puny 26m (?) ppl right in front of us
 

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like i have said, lousy mediocre middle easterners, asean natives, ceca, south asians, central asians = less disciplined, low IQ, poor work ethic, also less inventive and creative than ang moh kias

otherwise, how come tiny 26m (?) norkies could remain disciplined as the most isolated sanctioned embargoed maligned country on the planet

while soft iranians surrender every 5 years or so and yearn for a "deal" with europeans, with yanks while at the same time having tons (millions) of immigrants in those evil western countries, in other countries, having regular business ties, investment, travel, social media interaction - these are all gaping holes in the security apparatus used by joos and yanks to infiltrate Iran.

how stupid and "soft" are the iranians,

same goes for soft and weak turks. same with arabs, central asians, pakis, bangla, indon asean natives, ceca south asians etc.

look at norkies

highly disciplined
ordered
regimented society
no crying whining moaning
no presence on the net
on yankee social media
no significant immigrant population by millions in ang moh kia countries or elsewhere
no trade travel or investment or other ties with outside world of note
surrounded on all sides by three "superpower" countries - tiongkok, russkies and yankees in southern gooks peninsula

they still haven't caved in
they dun even have the yuuuuuuge oil gas wealth of iran either
population also tiny
unlike iran surrounded by much tinier countries or lots of weak countries, norkies got no such openings either

how come iran turkey indon bangla paki saudi arabs egyptian etc all so weak?

generally this entire corridor from north africa middle central asia south asia balkans seem to share some genetic and hence cultural cerebral hereditary traits in common with ceca

- not as disciplined as east asian confucians like gooks or even lousy tiongs
- not as dedicated to any given cause, easily swayed by kuffar propaganda, very "soft" and gentle people with no ability or determination to successfully crush the enemies' skulls

- i mean why else such simple common plain solutions presented above - such as using hydrogen/thermonuclear weapons by the tens of thousands on yankee skulls and delivered by beautiful pieces of work such as hwasong 14 hwasong 15 hwasong 16 are not procured, mass produced and tech internalized and advanced - at the bare minimum?

only these lousy "soft" races tend to produce these excuses

besides, according to iranian government propaganda, they produce everything under the sun
so why do sanctions matter?
you can produce everything, you go nuclear, who the f*** cares about sanctions?

obviously they are liars and propaganda artists who are also "soft" people (easily surrenders and caves in), got no discipline, not superior in inventive or creative capacity compared to ang moh kias.

dun fall for lousy propaganda.


here
no need huge gdp budget expenses revenue blah blah

norkies - most isolated sanctioned embargoed demonized maligned country on earth

with masterpieces intended to deliver swift and decisive justice to their yankee enemies



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there is absolutely no reason except genetic inferiority (poor discipline, highly emotional, lower threshold for tolerance of pain or lack of determination) that this entire corridor spanning north africa middle east balkans central asia south asia asean are akin to ceca in all these parameters

26 million norkies - most isolated sanctioned "pariah" (acc 2 ang moh kia propaganda) demonized country can do what freaking (app) 2000 million can't?

:o-o::devilish:
 

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Quran emphasise on a just and righteous rule. That means freedom of faith, and no killing of apostates. Saudis still executes shiite clerics. Their animosity with iran is about which form of islam is right. Sunni or shiite
In my opinion, both are wrong as islam is just a belief in one God. You do not need a religion to do that.and early arabs did not bother to build mosques in conqeured territories. Nor do they have clerics or imams.
God's system is submission by doing good deeds and be just and truthful.
 

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Quran emphasise on a just and righteous rule. That means freedom of faith, and no killing of apostates. Saudis still executes shiite clerics. Their animosity with iran is about which form of islam is right. Sunni or shiite
In my opinion, both are wrong as islam is just a belief in one God. You do not need a religion to do that.and early arabs did not bother to build mosques in conqeured territories. Nor do they have clerics or imams.
God's system is submission by doing good deeds and be just and truthful.

you should preach your rather unique ceca theories to your ceca compatriots
maybe some of them will be impressed

al saud regime are mere vassals of yanks
the petrodollar exists thanks to these saudi uae other bedouin oil monarchy regimes

shia sect is a matter for another debate
it's merely a tool used by outsiders (kuffar) to divide the wider Muslim world
shia radicals should be reined in by their leaders from causing sectarian strife through their deeds actions or words
likewise the hotheads or over enthusiastic bunch among the Sunnis should be reined in by the leaders and scholars from unnecessarily provoking sectarian tensions and making fools out of themselves - that only serves kafir yanke joos euro interests
 

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where is the iranian ghaem based ICBM?

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transfer it to hezbollah in lebanon
syrian assad regime
taliban in afghanistan with failsafe measures so that they can't target any region in iraq iraq syria lebanon yemen palestine and such

houthis in yemen
and maybe MRBM to palestinian factions (there are ways to sneak things in if you know how to do it, won't mention it in public obviously)

the greater the number of countries sanctioned, the less impactful sanctions are going to be
the greater the number of people sanctioned, the less impactful sanctions are going to be



sanctions work if you only isolate, identify, target a few people, few countries. maybe 1% of world popn which is iran's population of 80 million out of 7.5 billion global population

sanctions won't work if you identify and target 90% of world's people, or 50% of world's people, or even 10% or 15% or 20% of world's people

simply the lure of such a big market means ppl will find alternative routes, alternative methods for trading, investing, transferring funds, materials, ppl knowledge management experts troops etc
 

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looks like a real monster
iran should bring out some big toys

excuses like rouhani or zarif or "reformist" traitors obstructing decision making are just excuses

arrest them and place them in detention indefinitely, due to "coronavirus infection" or some other excuse
problem resolved
get the so called "reformists" or traitors detained using chink virus infection excuse

then get going
https://www.telewebion.com/episode/2149830

must watch vid

at telewebion.com

starting from 02:51



Iran has declassified 10 year old image of 2nd stage of its Qaem solid fuel satellite launch vehicle, which can be converted to Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, without much effort.


Good going Iran.

Fear of sanctions is no policy whatsoever.
 

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BTW,

absolute credits to the Iranian regime for being the sole supporter, backer of Palestinian resistance factions

as it has turned out, two democratic regimes in Turkey (Erdogan) and Pakistan (military backed regime of Imran Khan) are all hype

little substance

did zero, zilch, nada, nothing for innocent palestinians getting killed imprisoned "bullied" by zionists terrorists

absolutely BS artists are Erdogan and Imran Khan
just BS
the entire nations of turkey pakistan indon melayun are total jokes
even under democratic leaderships

for the arabs bangla central asia turkic regimes
they are under dictatorships

those dictators are puppets/vassals of some kafir country or the other
true of al saud regime, mbs, of mbz in uae, of bahrain, jordan, regimes. sisi regime in egypt.
bangla leadership = puppet/vassal of ceca virus (bangla dictatorial "PM" lived in exile in ceca virus territory for many years, 7 years probably, in other words, a trained agent of ceca virus and therefore does CECA bidding . simple & straightforward)

kudos to iran for that

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a missile or rocket can fly a "lofted trajectory"
which means it flies high, higher than usual trajecteory, reaches high altitude, reaches peak, then it crashes down on target at a much higher speed than usual
which makes it harder for surveillance battle management radar to track it
which means if you mix in some decoys and other "penetration aids" and fire them from syria lebanon jordan mediterranean seas (no need to explain how this can be done easily, too, not in public anyway), yemen or iraq, not even mentioning iran or afghanistan (western regions like herat that are close to iran)

iran got plenty of options to take out their sensors, their zionist radars
without radars or sensors, they can see nothing
without ability to see anything, they can't target any bottle rocket or big icbm or medium sized mrbm or whatever

similarly missile rockets or drones can fly low trajectory
taking advantage of earths' curvature and fact that built up urban areas got lots of infrastructure skyscrapers etc which obstruct radar waves

those sensors or radars in built up areas can't see anything obstructed by built up infrastructure
low flying missiles rockets uav/drones can take out their sensors
sensors/radars if they are "active " radars need to send out radar waves of considerable energy
easy to detect with passive sensors
once the sensors/radars are located, time to hunt down the radars used in iron dome david's sling arrow patriot
big juicy targets

some hormoz 1 anti radiation ballistic missile fired from syria lebanon as far as iraq yemen iran itself or western parts of afghanistan close to iran (like herat or nearby mountainous and sparsely populated areas) can do the trick

 

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absolute credits to the Iranian regime for being the sole supporter, backer of Palestinian resistance factions

as it has turned out, two democratic regimes in Turkey (Erdogan) and Pakistan (military backed regime of Imran Khan) are all hype

little substance

did zero, zilch, nada, nothing for innocent palestinians getting killed imprisoned "bullied" by zionists terrorists

absolutely BS artists are Erdogan and Imran Khan
just BS
the entire nations of turkey pakistan indon melayun are total jokes
even under democratic leaderships

for the arabs bangla central asia turkic regimes
they are under dictatorships

those dictators are puppets/vassals of some kafir country or the other
true of al saud regime, mbs, of mbz in uae, of bahrain, jordan, regimes. sisi regime in egypt.
bangla leadership = puppet/vassal of ceca virus (bangla dictatorial "PM" lived in exile in ceca virus territory for many years, 7 years probably, in other words, a trained agent of ceca virus and therefore does CECA bidding . simple & straightforward)

kudos to iran for that

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no point blaming arabs

typical of chameleon paki rats
the moment they are exposed
shift blame on to others

arabs fought 4- repeat , four - wars against zionists
at all times the filthy juice were backed by yanks and gayropeans

now it's time for ottoman empire aspiring erdoggie and immy the dim kahn to put their money where their mouth is

turkey and pakis, melayun and indon are democratic countries

put up, or shut up

for iran, given the odds it is facing, the idea should be to recruit volunteers from across all the various Muslim majority regions and countries dedicated to the cause, well trained, well armed, they should target zionist fighter aircraft,

zionist overhyped samson optino (to use nuclear weapons if it is "going down") is bogus
since it is so tiny, you can "ring fence" it with ABM system in all the neighbouring countries
even air defence destroyers in east mediterranean can provide surveillance over zionist airspace

any ICBM fired from puny zionist landmass will only be in its "boost phase" or first of three phases of ballistic trajectory

it is this boost phase, or first of three phases, of ballstic trajectory where they travel the slowest and are easiest to track and shoot down.

zionist teeny tiny landmass means if it is surrounded on all sides by Anti Ballistic Missile or ABM radars/sensors and missiles/interceptors, then their "samson option" or nuclear weapons threats are nullified

only other option remains few submarines which might launch a few cruise missiles
not hard to keep track of those subs
to trail them and torpedo them
subs aren't highly maneuverable like fighter jets
only realistic option is just soft kill (electronic counter measure) methods


loudmouth braggart paki turkey or other democratic countries like indon melayun can't evade responsibility
time for them to put up or shut up

we know they are all hot air
sons of loudmouth whores

for iran, which is the only country doing a thing worth mention, kudos to them again
iu


given the huge odds,
iran should recruit volunteers (huge numbers of them) from all the surrounding Muslim majority countries, led by, trained by, equipped by IRGC and sent in to fight zionists on zionist turf

that will even the odds
 

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loudmouth braggarts like turks or pakis (democratic countries ) are found missing
despicable fools

iranian leadership IRGC should realize these bogus countries are all talk, no bite, no courage, no determination, no balls. pakis are known as surrender monkeys after 1971 :thumbsup:

turks are worse - after what tiongs doing to uighurs turkey Erdoggie showed he has no balls

after what slimy coward juice did to turks in mavi marmara (whacked 9 turks some 10 years ago), erdoggie again went missing
:thumbsup:


so iranian leadership or IRGC should not be swayed by those loudmouth morons from democratic countries who got no balls and are surrender monkeys. those democratic countries are turkey pakis indon and melayun

instead
the population in lots of muslim majority countries don't get to pursue their dreams and aspirations
many of them want to teach the zionist a lesson
iran or IRGC should not recruit only shia and brainwash them
no that is a mistake and a despicable solution

the solution is to invite, train, equip, rational sunnis, who are not hotheaded and overly enthusiastic to the point that they lose their calm and fall for sunni-shia sectarian disputes

IRGC can equip, train and send both rational motivated sunnis and shias to teach the coward subhuman juice a lesson or two
it shouldn't be too hard to recruit ten million volunteers from a potential pool of close to 2 billion

equipping them, training them, organizing them, motivating them - that may take some planning efforts and resources

that's where IRGC needs to be smarter
 

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here's the deal

overhyped yankee or western military can be finished in an hour
just a single hour


by dropping maximum 10,000 nuclear warheads

in just a single hour

everything down to the last insect in yankee or gayropean territory can be 'erased'

let that sink in

it doesn't matter if overhyped yankee military spends 700 billion dollars a year
or 700 trillion dollars a year
or 700 quadrillion dollars a year
or 700 quintillion dollars a year
or 700 hectillion dollars a year.

end result would be the same

so turkic donkeys like khamenei should have gone full speed and built the bomb, tested it
i thought some iranians were bragging that they got nukes and ICBM
so why not whack zionists some ?

and invite Muslim individuals who number almost 2 billion from around the world to join IRGC trained, irgc equipped, irgc guided programmes to teach zionists a lesson
these various Muslim groups can enter occupied palestine and teach zionists a lesson or two
meanwhile, nukes that are hidden, or concealed, or not tested are no deterrent whatsoever

oh btw, teeny tiny pissant zionists with a few hundred tactical nuke warheads won't be able to kill 2 billion ppl like some amateurs think

it's yankees, the leader of the western pack of dogs, that need to be neutralized
as we have said, no matter how much yankee overhyped military spends, adequate number of nuke warheads can neutralize them quickly

spare some reserve nukes for russkie, tiongs, ceca virus, europeans, dan lain-lain if they develop some funny ideas if you know what I mean
 
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