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Sabah war - important lesson for Singapore/Singaporeans & PAP

zeddy

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1. Playing the race card with an eye on General Election

Bringing in the race card in the earliest day of the conflict was Dr. M. Mohamed. He went on open channel to say that government should employed the soft touch as the
Sulus were Muslim brethren.

Agree.. This old scumbag Madhathir should be blamed too for giving out many citizenships freely to the Suluk immigrants years ago when he was still the PM.. These new immigrants were also instructed to vote for the BN in the GE..

The Malaysians called it Project IC.. Now it backfired spectacularly on them.. These immigrants are also suspected to be sympathizers..

With the lack border control and too much kindness being accorded to these immigrants, the Malaysians are now paying a costly price..
 

po2wq

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... To add oil to fire, ... Hishammuddin Hussein ... also added their sound bites to urge restraint on the part
of Malaysian armed forces effectively tying the hands of the generals and soldiers on the ground ...
tis burger shud haf brot out his kris n yaya-papaya ...
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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Dozens of "Foreign Talents" arrested in Malaysia for leaking confidential information to Sulu armies. In time of War, these "foreign talents" will certainly take side to support sulu sultan. You think they will pledge loyalty to Malaysia?

What does the above signal to Singapore? If we have war like those of sabah, can we count on our "foreign talents" for support?:oIo:

Not just FTs because the PAPzis recently said that new influx of FTs will not dilute Malays. Does it mean that a large group of Pinoys in SG are those from the disputed lands that are now under Malaysian rule? If so then it is not unreasonable to expect the Pinoys in this group to be obedient to their brothers' plight in Sabah.

Will the Home Affairs please state how many pinoys from the Mindanao area are currently in SG?
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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Agree.. This old scumbag Madhathir should be blamed too for giving out many citizenships freely to the Suluk immigrants years ago when he was still the PM.. These new immigrants were also instructed to vote for the BN in the GE..

The Malaysians called it Project IC.. Now it backfired spectacularly on them.. These immigrants are also suspected to be sympathizers..

With the lack border control and too much kindness being accorded to these immigrants, the Malaysians are now paying a costly price..

There are 900,000 Pinoys with blue IC in Sabah. It will not be easy to get rid of them.

The lessson for Singapore is not to allow too many FTs here as they will soon overtake the country. The PAPzis in their greedy stance will not care as they all have overseas bankaccounts and property if anything goes wrong. For the PAPzis Singapore is a money-making factory for them.
 

singveld

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Lucky plaza already invaded, no need army. Pinoy won.

let take it back then,

first we need to stroke the fire of pinoy present number 1 enemy, we go to china town and ask if they want to rent shops in lucky plaza, since china now fighting over some islands from pinoy, these will get those crazy chink to take over lucky plaza, then we get the police to raid the chinaman shops over some prostitution charge and get rid of them next.
We can then install singaporean shop in lucky plaza, what do you think of this idea?
 

DuYunQi

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Nice thread TS

I agree that this Sabah incident has very important lessons for SG (both the govt, and the ppl) to learn from.

It shows that anyone with strong intentions and strong will and determination, can do what they set out to do, namely the Sulu intruders. (I refer to them as such for they have crossed national boundaries and dared to lay claim on a foreign land.. and it's not even the Diaoyu islands kind of issue where the place is a single island off somewhere in the big ocean)

Clearly, the Sulu intruders have been given some amount of intel and info.. for if not, they would have been spotted and quicly dealt with. The fact that they landed and this incident is into it's third week, shows alot of implications.. (along with the posts stating those "blunders" by M Mohammed and others).. to a sense that they have been given some info on where to hide.. how the terrain is.. and possibly given shelter by their own kind over there in Sabah.

We, in SG need to realize that SG is a very small island nation. I remember a very crude joke that said, "if every one of PRC ppl spit onto SG, their spit would drown us..". It was not funny to me.. more like a sting.. but the fact remains.. SG is a SMALL island. And perhaps because it is so small, it is relatively easy to patrol, to a certain extent, that small numbers of human trafficking may have trikled through.. but not large numbers (I could be wrong here.. but I haven't seen en mass of illegal ppl.. more like LEGAL Foreigners)

But that does not mean that we can take Sabah incident likely. Our neighbours around us have bigger populations.. much more ppl then we in SG have. Who can guarantee that none of them, whether policical or militant, radical or religious or whatever.. would try something like this Sabah incident?

And, let's face it.. the foreigners most likely won't stay if there are any security issues.. but what of the New Citizens? How many of them will actually stay and stand with the local SG ppl.. together against threats? What happens if they are spies, placed deep into SG to actually spring up at cush a time?

Don't rule things out.. it's not an impossible thought. Our ministries have already shown how lax they are in letting in ppl with degrees from their own (foreign) universities.. fake degrees can be made easily.. one of my friend's ex-colleague (pinoy) told him so. Doesn't that mean that fake documents can be made easily too? And if these ppl have their country's backing.. their documents would probably be legit.. but info on it might not be real.. then how does one check?

Stem the tide.. and remember the saying, "PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE"
 

andyfisher

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This sabah war is a eye opener for us, but I fear the lesson is learnt too late.

the mudland m&ds give out ic like satay to their pinoy bros, then got shafted by them

in chinkpore, the pinoys and tiong urines and shitters have already landed and are in our midst. you throw a fishball, you will hit 10 FTs minimum and they will all whack you upside down, so game over for us.

We just diam diam hide and eat keropok. :biggrin:
 

lianbeng

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lianbeng went down for breakfast just now and was surrounded by many foreigners! :biggrin: armed with brooms and mops...
 

myfoot123

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Nice thread TS
Our ministries have already shown how lax they are in letting in ppl with degrees from their own (foreign) universities.. fake degrees can be made easily.. one of my friend's ex-colleague (pinoy) told him so.
Stem the tide.. and remember the saying, "PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE"

Teo Chee Hean told WP that breaking down the nationalities of 2million foreigners in Singapore is not in our interest.

That goes to prove that Singapore security has been breached and compromised. Otherwise why so worried about being transparent to the people?
 

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Trouble in Paradise … "The Land Below The Wind"

Malaysia could be facing a prolonged “political crisis” in Sabah stemming from the Lahad Datu standoff, although the short-term
military situation is never in doubt.

A comprehensive political solution must be made as a long-term strategy to improve the situation in Sabah and bilateral relationship
with the Philippines.

To understand the dynamic of the current conflict, one must go back in time to the root cause of this crisis.

Sales or Lease

The leader of the group is the brother of Jamalul Kiram III, one of the two main claimants to the title of Sultan of Sulu.

It is a title that goes back more than 350 years predating the Philippines was an American colony, or a Spanish colony.

The two main sultanates in the region at the time were Sulu and Brunei. In 1658, the Sultan of Brunei gave Sabah to the Sultan
of Sulu - either as a dowry or because troops from Sulu had helped him quell a rebellion.

The sultan of Sulu has come to remind Malaysians that they still consider Sabah to be part of Sulu and, by extension, part of the
Philippines.

Political Horse Trading

The issue has been a stumbling block in relations between Malaysia and the Philippines for decades, and a factor behind the continuing
violence and instability on the islands of Sulu.

Successive Philippine presidents have pressed the sultanate's case, the most audacious being an attempt by the late President Ferdinand
Marcos to train and equip a secret Muslim militia to take Sabah by force.

The plan was leaked before it could be put into action, and the militia force was allegedly killed by the Philippine army in an attempt to cover
up the evidence. The massacre became one of the main triggers for rising Muslim discontent and the emergence of Muslim rebel groups
which are still around in the region today.

But under the current president, Benigno Aquino, the Sulu's ancestral rights have been put on the back burner.

Mr Aquino has been prioritising talks with the MNLF rebel group in the region and a framework peace deal in place for the first time in decades,
of course, facilitated by the Malaysians!

Biting the hand that feed you

Some of the automatic weapons used by the invaders can be traced back to the MNLF, who received the arms courtesy of Gaddafi through
Dr. M's Malaysia. Also, under Dr. M, Malaysia not only provided training for MNLF fighters, it also acted as safe haven and transit point for MNLF
leaders and fighters to and from their indoctrination and training bases in Afghanistan and Libya.

Nur Misuari, the leader of the MNLF, says that some of his men are also fighting alongside the Sulu gang.

Sowing the seeds

The center of gravity for this conflict is Lahad Datu of the Tawau province. Tawau has 26% of Sabah total population with the Malay ethnic group
in minority! The main native ethnic groups consisting of Bajau, Suluk, Ida'an and Tidong. 80% of the region trade is with the archipelago of Sulu
where traders trade and move freely for decades by small motorized sampans.

Worried about the political implication of a minority Malay ethnic group in the vastly resource rich state, Dr. M covertly introduced the Project IC in
1990s.

As the name implies, this is a clandestine project that involves the alleged citizenship drive to naturalize illegal migrants for political purposes and
targeted more specifically on Sabah.

Reaping the gain

Once the intruders had entered Lahad Datu, and after they had openly declared their intentions for intruding, why did the Malaysian Government not react
quickly enough to get them out?

Was it because the Government feared taking stronger action against these intruders who are Tausugs and closely related to the Suluks, who came from
the Philippines and are now settled in Sabah by the thousands as Malaysian citizens, might cause the latter to vote against the ruling Barisan Nasional (BN)
at the upcoming general election? And perhaps not only the Suluks but also other Filipinos of other descent who have also become citizens?

Lesson to be learned (Sleeping with the enemy … a ticking time bomb)


As we strive for economic prosperity, as we mass import foreign talents, as we implement our own "Project IC"; we must NEVER ever forget the painful
lesson the Malaysians are now just learning ... KARMA!
 
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Asterix

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Sinkees retreat to ?????

Johor Bahru or the untested bomb shelter in their HDB pigeon hole. Definitely do not take shelter in the Raffles Place underground MRT station. The aircon at the Arcade underground shopping mall doesn't work properly. The bomb shelters, if any, at that station could be even more poorly ventilated. In times of war, if Sinkies take shelter there, they are more likely to die from suffocation or spread of infectious disease than if they had stayed out in the open, or swimmed to Johor Bahru, or took a sampan like Tan Wah Piow.
 
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Just thinking along the lines of movies like Red Dawn or Tomorrow, When the War Began, if one day these FTs rise up in revolt (e.g. their coutnryman kena hantam or killed by Sgreans) and the ang chia come out but failed to contain them successfully leading to shots fired and these FT dying... Will their motherland or fatherland send in the ships and aircraft to "cover" the "evacuation" of these FTs? How will the SAF respond when the Red warships and Sukhois are at our doorstep? Will the SAF declare martial law and send these Tiongs n Nehs to prison camps? What will the FT armed forces do? Invade SG to free their people? War...

i see some similarities between whats happening in Sabah where the Pinoys are backing their countrymen Sulu gunmen...and this above scenario....

Best is to revoke the work passes and send these FTs enmasse back to their countries at the first hint of trouble with them in SG... but then those FTs got pink ICs liao may also be sleepers for the invading armies.... scary....

And yet many dump Sinkees still insists PR must go NS, you are training them combat skill, knowledge to invade Sinkieland.
 
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