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Redditer: Christians of Singapore, how much do your pastors earn?
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hanor, they urge you to give till you bleed in pain, while they get the gain
desire = greed, this line of thinking creates the "more i want, the more i get and vice-versa. followers are humans afterall!
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Hanor!
desire = greed, this line of thinking creates the "more i want, the more i get and vice-versa. followers are humans afterall!
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In John 10:11, Jesus proclaims, “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” He then goes on to contrast Himself with what He calls a “hireling”.
The Passage (John 10:12–13)
“The hireling is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away… He runs away because he is a hireling and cares nothing for the sheep.”
In practice, the hireling not only runs away when he sees the wolf approaching. Even before danger appears, he burdens the sheep, saying, in effect, “Lay down 10% of your wages for your shepherd.” The hireling works for wages. His relationship to the sheep is transactional. As long as conditions are safe and profitable, he will deliver eloquent speeches from the pulpit, stirring hearts with words. But when the wolf appears he runs faster than Usain Bolt. The stark reality is that the hireling feeds on the sheep instead of feeding them.
How can a 神棍 lead the sheep out of worldliness into holiness when he himself shares the same attachments and ambitions? He is married, as they are. He indulges in carnal pleasure, as they do. He desires a private condo, a steady paycheck, a Tesla EV and annual holidays abroad - just like the flock he shepherds.
In what meaningful way, then, does he differ from the sheep he pastors? Tio boh? If his aspirations are indistinguishable from theirs, if his pursuits mirror the culture around him, how can he call them to a higher kingdom? How can he preach self-denial while carefully preserving his own comforts? How can he speak of separation from the world while remaining thoroughly at ease within it?
In all honesty, the hireling mirrors the very world he condemns.
In John 10:11, Jesus proclaims, “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” He then goes on to contrast Himself with what He calls a “hireling”.
The Passage (John 10:12–13)
“The hireling is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away… He runs away because he is a hireling and cares nothing for the sheep.”
In practice, the hireling not only runs away when he sees the wolf approaching. Even before danger appears, he burdens the sheep, saying, in effect, “Lay down 10% of your wages for your shepherd.” The hireling works for wages. His relationship to the sheep is transactional. As long as conditions are safe and profitable, he will deliver eloquent speeches from the pulpit, stirring hearts with words. But when the wolf appears he runs faster than Usain Bolt. The stark reality is that the hireling feeds on the sheep instead of feeding them.
How can a 神棍 lead the sheep out of worldliness into holiness when he himself shares the same attachments and ambitions? He is married, as they are. He indulges in carnal pleasure, as they do. He desires a private condo, a steady paycheck, a Tesla EV and annual holidays abroad - just like the flock he shepherds.
In what meaningful way, then, does he differ from the sheep he pastors? Tio boh? If his aspirations are indistinguishable from theirs, if his pursuits mirror the culture around him, how can he call them to a higher kingdom? How can he preach self-denial while carefully preserving his own comforts? How can he speak of separation from the world while remaining thoroughly at ease within it?
In all honesty, the hireling mirrors the very world he condemns.
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Wasei, 你不客气了The bashing continues ...
In John 10:11, Jesus proclaims, “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” He then goes on to contrast Himself with what He calls a “hireling”.
The Passage (John 10:12–13)
“The hireling is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away… He runs away because he is a hireling and cares nothing for the sheep.”
In practice, the hireling not only runs away when he sees the wolf approaching. Even before danger appears, he burdens the sheep, saying, in effect, “Lay down 10% of your wages for your shepherd.” The hireling works for wages. His relationship to the sheep is transactional. As long as conditions are safe and profitable, he will deliver eloquent speeches from the pulpit, stirring hearts with words. But when the wolf appears he runs faster than Usain Bolt. The stark reality is that the hireling feeds on the sheep instead of feeding them.
How can a 神棍 lead the sheep out of worldliness into holiness when he himself shares the same attachments and ambitions? He is married, as they are. He indulges in carnal pleasure, as they do. He desires a private condo, a steady paycheck, a Tesla EV and annual holidays abroad - just like the flock he shepherds.
In what meaningful way, then, does he differ from the sheep he pastors? Tio boh? If his aspirations are indistinguishable from theirs, if his pursuits mirror the culture around him, how can he call them to a higher kingdom? How can he preach self-denial while carefully preserving his own comforts? How can he speak of separation from the world while remaining thoroughly at ease within it?
In all honesty, the hireling mirrors the very world he condemns.
Most pastors are just scammers and full of crap. Anyway sinkies are just stupid enough to believe all these crap.
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Their strategy is to trap the young people into their congregation. Because naturally, when these young people move on to adults, they will be the working class with good salaries to fund the congregation and their pastoral lifestyles going forward....
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Buddhist monks driving Mercedes and BMWs are far more obvious conmen.
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Don't tar all pastors with the same brush because of Kong Hee who is a conman.
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Not all Buddhist monks are dishonest and greedy because of the Rev Shi Ming Yi.
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In 1 Peter 5:2, a letter attributed to the Apostle Peter, the author writes: “Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them - not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve …” The phrase “as God wants you to be” is often cited by churches as support for the view that a shepherd must have received a calling from God, and that the appointment to such ministry ultimately comes from God.
Now for the million-dollar question: Are today’s hirelings aware they were never chosen by God, or have they mistaken ambition for a calling?
This is a difficult question to answer because the modern shepherd is often a meticulously curated persona, worn so convincingly that the hireling has fully convinced himself that he is the role, rather than merely the actor playing it. In any spiritual context, human desires always take the throne, and when they collide with the idea of God’s appointment, the hireling will spin illusions so convincing that he truly believes he wields the Almighty’s mandate - while chasing nothing but his own ambition.
There is a quiet yet profound divide between believing in something and yearning to believe in it. Belief arises from conviction; the desire to believe arises from need. And between them reigns the sovereign of all illusions - dishonesty
That said, even mental patients enjoy a fleeting lucid interval, and sooner or later, the hireling begins to doubt his so-called divine appointment - usually the moment the desires that drew him into the shepherd’s cloak go unfulfilled. The hireling knows, if only in whispers, that he serves himself and not God - and the more he persuades himself of a divine calling, the deeper he descends into darkness to extinguish the final traces of light within.
No hireling is innocent; even the kindest act of a self-serving heart is tainted. Beyond the event horizon, into the abyss of the black hole, the faintest spark of hope for redemption is snuffed out forever.
There is a quiet yet profound divide between believing in something and yearning to believe in it. Belief arises from conviction; the desire to believe arises from need. And between them reigns the sovereign of all illusions - dishonesty
That said, even mental patients enjoy a fleeting lucid interval, and sooner or later, the hireling begins to doubt his so-called divine appointment - usually the moment the desires that drew him into the shepherd’s cloak go unfulfilled. The hireling knows, if only in whispers, that he serves himself and not God - and the more he persuades himself of a divine calling, the deeper he descends into darkness to extinguish the final traces of light within.
No hireling is innocent; even the kindest act of a self-serving heart is tainted. Beyond the event horizon, into the abyss of the black hole, the faintest spark of hope for redemption is snuffed out forever.
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