The idea here is an economical way of war. Since J-20 is a superior weapon but too expensive. SU-57, not so stealthy, but very strong to carry heavy amount of ammunition payload. So the way to use them together is J-20 in front to kill AWACs & Ground Radars or Sea Radars, make the area safe for SU-57 carrying heavy load of unconcealed ammunition. J-20 carries concealed weapons inside internal weapon bays, but that way won't be many bombs, and missiles, and would be very expensive to send a big fleet of J-20 in order to have sufficient ammunition for adequate killings.
J-20 can give a nasty surprise, to cut an initial hole into enemy's defense. But the ammunition carried concealed is not a big amount so initial hole is not big enough damage for a mission. If you want adequate damages on the targets you need to spend quite a huge amount of money to build many expensive J-20. SU-57 cannot give too much surprises because on radars they are many times more easier to detect, J-20 can get much loser before being detected.
The economical plan hence, is to use J-20 to cut a small hole into the defense sufficiently safe for larger fleet of SU-57 to get inside carrying sufficient ammunition to ENLARGE that small hole to make it big and painfully hurt for the enemies. Doing this way SU-57 can hang lots of ammunition under their huge wings, but this way is non-stealthy, the radars can easily see these as clear targets. Hence J-20 must kill these radars initially.
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2019-06-18/doc-ihvhiqay6403563.shtml
俄媒：中国应买苏57 不是替代歼20而是给它打下手
俄媒：中国应买苏57 不是替代歼20而是给它打下手
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中国买苏-57不是为了替代歼-20？俄罗斯媒体观点有趣：给他打下手
众所周知，由于俄罗斯自研的第五代隐身战斗机苏-57在空天军中取得的订单远远少于预期，为此，俄罗斯航空工业只能将这款战机的未来押宝在了对外军贸的道路上。实际上我们不难发现，苏-57还在被称为T-50的研制阶段时，有关其出口创汇的消息就已经此起彼伏。而在近期，从俄罗斯政府手中获得了出口许可证，以及专用外贸版的苏-57E的出现，更是让这一系列讨论愈发地热烈起来。
（苏-57订单的减少使其不得不把目光转移到了海外）
作为俄罗斯长期以来最重要的军贸伙伴，纵然是已经开始批量生产歼-20的我国，也不可避免与印度、土耳其等国一道被视作了苏-57E的主要出口市场。对此可能会有人感到好奇，相较于我们对苏-57的了解，俄罗斯人对于我们的歼-20又是持何态度呢？近日，美国《国家利益》网站就援引《俄罗斯报》刊登的一篇有关中国进口苏-57E可以实现互利共赢的报道，为我们粗略的分析了俄罗斯对于中国歼-20的评价以及苏-57E进入中国的看法。
（我国与印度等国一直被俄罗斯视为苏-57主要的出口市场）
文章认为，俄罗斯的这篇报道的结论是苏-57相比歼-20其实不好也不差，他们之间都是通过不同的技术路线实现了不同的定位运用。首先，歼-20被设计成了一个隐身能力比较强的导弹平台，这意味着他们可以穿透敌方负责的防空网络，对预警机、加油机以及电子战飞机等关键节点进行针对性打击。相比之下，俄罗斯的苏-57除了擅长在空战中夺取制空权之外，比较出彩的是还具备了一定的隐身能力和不俗的对地打击能力。
（俄罗斯媒体认为苏-57相比歼-20其实不好也不差）
除此之外，俄罗斯报也承认，歼-20的隐身性能以及整体的研发装备进度要优于苏-57项目。但他们也认为，苏-57在研发过程中使用了一些歼-20所缺乏的技术，如矢量技术发动机、远程空对空导弹以及定向红外干扰系统等。对此，《国家利益》网站的这篇文章指出，俄罗斯报的报道综合起来意思就是，中国应该购买苏-57隐身战机，但并不是用于替代已经开始批量生产的歼-20，而是将其当做是技术以及实际运用领域的补充。
（购买苏-57并不是为了替代歼-20，而是成为其补充）
有意思的是，俄罗斯方面还提出了一个十分新颖的观点。他们认为，中国率先引进苏-57，可以让这款战机对印度等其他潜在客户更加具有吸引力。而苏-57出口订单数量的增加，不仅可以使俄罗斯进一步加强对本国航空领域的投入，还会大大刺激苏-57的生产计划。这可能让俄罗斯在短时间内就开始大规模装备这款隐身战斗机，而受此影响，原本部署在太平洋地区的西方国家的第五代战机，也将被迫转移到欧洲方向，这完全符合中国的利益。
（中国引进苏-57可以最终迫使西方隐身战机转移到其他方向）
当然，文章最后还提到，在中俄两国战略合作不断加强的背景下，俄罗斯相关机构对于歼-20隐身战机的评估深度和兴趣也在与日俱增。虽然莫斯科可能无意进口这款中国的“旗舰”级隐身战机，但为给苏-57E出口中国找出一个令人信服的理由，即证明苏-57身上具备了中国所需要的，乃至是歼-20所缺乏的东西。在这种情况下，加深对歼-20的了解自然而然的成为了一项必须的工作。（作者署名：利刃军事）
Russian media: China should buy Su 57 instead of 歼20 but give it a hand
Russian media: China should buy Su 57 instead of 歼20 but give it a hand
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China bought Su-57 not to replace 歼-20? Russian media view is interesting: give him a hand
As we all know, because the Russian-made fifth-generation stealth fighter Su-57 has obtained far less orders than the expected in the Air Force, the Russian aviation industry can only bet the future of this fighter in the foreign military trade. On the road. In fact, it is not difficult to find out that when Su-57 is still in the development stage of T-50, the news about its export earnings has been one after another. In the near future, the export license from the Russian government and the emergence of the special foreign trade version of the Su-57E have made this series of discussions more and more enthusiastic.
(The reduction of the Su-57 order has forced him to turn his eyes overseas.) (The reduction of the Su-57 order has forced him to turn his attention overseas)
As Russia's long-term most important military and trade partner, even if it has begun mass production of the J-20, it is inevitably regarded as the main export market of Su-57E together with India and Turkey. Some people may be curious about this. Compared with our understanding of Su-57, what is the attitude of Russians to our 歼-20? Recently, the US "National Interests" website quoted a report published in the "Russian newspaper" about China's import of Su-57E, which can achieve mutual benefit and win-win results. It gives us a rough analysis of Russia's evaluation of China's 歼-20 and Su-57E. Entering China's view.
(China and India have always been regarded by Russia as the main export market of Su-57) (China and India have been regarded by Russia as the main export market of Su-57)
The article believes that the conclusion of this Russian report is that the Su-57 is not bad or bad compared to the 歼-20. They have achieved different positioning and application through different technical routes. First of all, the J-20 was designed as a missile platform with a relatively strong stealth capability, which means that they can penetrate the enemy's responsible air defense network and target the key nodes such as early warning aircraft, tankers and electronic warfare aircraft. In contrast, the Russian Su-57 is not only good at taking air control in air combat, but also has a certain stealth ability and good ground strike ability.
(Russian media believes that Su-57 is not bad or bad compared to 歼-20) (Russian media believes that Su-57 is not bad or bad compared to 歼-20)
In addition, the Russian newspaper also admitted that the stealth performance of the J-20 and the overall R&D equipment progress is better than the Su-57 project. But they also believe that the Su-57 used some technologies that were lacking in the development process, such as vector technology engines, long-range air-to-air missiles, and directional infrared interference systems. In this regard, the article on the "National Interests" website pointed out that the Russian newspaper's report combined means that China should purchase the Su-57 stealth fighter, but it is not used to replace the 歼-20 that has already started mass production, but will It is complemented by technology and practical applications.
(Buy Su-57 is not to replace 歼-20, but to supplement it) (Buy Su-57 is not to replace 歼-20, but to supplement it)
Interestingly, the Russian side has also put forward a very novel point of view. They believe that China's first introduction of Su-57 will make this fighter more attractive to other potential customers such as India. The increase in the number of Su-57 export orders will not only enable Russia to further increase its investment in the domestic aviation sector, but will also greatly stimulate the Su-57 production plan. This may allow Russia to start large-scale deployment of this stealth fighter in a short period of time. As a result, the fifth-generation fighters originally deployed in the western countries of the Pacific will also be forced to move to Europe, which is in full compliance with China. Interests.
(China's introduction of Su-57 can eventually force Western stealth fighters to move to other directions) (China's introduction of Su-57 can eventually force Western stealth fighters to move to other directions)
Of course, the article also mentioned at the end that under the background of the continuous strengthening of strategic cooperation between China and Russia, the depth and interest of Russian institutions in assessing the J-20 stealth fighters is also increasing. Although Moscow may not intend to import this Chinese flagship stealth fighter, it is a convincing reason to export the Su-57E to China, which proves that the Su-57 possesses what China needs, and even 歼- 20 things that are lacking. In this case, deepening the understanding of the 歼-20 has naturally become a necessary job. (Author's signature: Bladed Military)
J-20 can give a nasty surprise, to cut an initial hole into enemy's defense. But the ammunition carried concealed is not a big amount so initial hole is not big enough damage for a mission. If you want adequate damages on the targets you need to spend quite a huge amount of money to build many expensive J-20. SU-57 cannot give too much surprises because on radars they are many times more easier to detect, J-20 can get much loser before being detected.
The economical plan hence, is to use J-20 to cut a small hole into the defense sufficiently safe for larger fleet of SU-57 to get inside carrying sufficient ammunition to ENLARGE that small hole to make it big and painfully hurt for the enemies. Doing this way SU-57 can hang lots of ammunition under their huge wings, but this way is non-stealthy, the radars can easily see these as clear targets. Hence J-20 must kill these radars initially.
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2019-06-18/doc-ihvhiqay6403563.shtml
俄媒：中国应买苏57 不是替代歼20而是给它打下手
俄媒：中国应买苏57 不是替代歼20而是给它打下手
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中国买苏-57不是为了替代歼-20？俄罗斯媒体观点有趣：给他打下手
众所周知，由于俄罗斯自研的第五代隐身战斗机苏-57在空天军中取得的订单远远少于预期，为此，俄罗斯航空工业只能将这款战机的未来押宝在了对外军贸的道路上。实际上我们不难发现，苏-57还在被称为T-50的研制阶段时，有关其出口创汇的消息就已经此起彼伏。而在近期，从俄罗斯政府手中获得了出口许可证，以及专用外贸版的苏-57E的出现，更是让这一系列讨论愈发地热烈起来。
作为俄罗斯长期以来最重要的军贸伙伴，纵然是已经开始批量生产歼-20的我国，也不可避免与印度、土耳其等国一道被视作了苏-57E的主要出口市场。对此可能会有人感到好奇，相较于我们对苏-57的了解，俄罗斯人对于我们的歼-20又是持何态度呢？近日，美国《国家利益》网站就援引《俄罗斯报》刊登的一篇有关中国进口苏-57E可以实现互利共赢的报道，为我们粗略的分析了俄罗斯对于中国歼-20的评价以及苏-57E进入中国的看法。
文章认为，俄罗斯的这篇报道的结论是苏-57相比歼-20其实不好也不差，他们之间都是通过不同的技术路线实现了不同的定位运用。首先，歼-20被设计成了一个隐身能力比较强的导弹平台，这意味着他们可以穿透敌方负责的防空网络，对预警机、加油机以及电子战飞机等关键节点进行针对性打击。相比之下，俄罗斯的苏-57除了擅长在空战中夺取制空权之外，比较出彩的是还具备了一定的隐身能力和不俗的对地打击能力。
除此之外，俄罗斯报也承认，歼-20的隐身性能以及整体的研发装备进度要优于苏-57项目。但他们也认为，苏-57在研发过程中使用了一些歼-20所缺乏的技术，如矢量技术发动机、远程空对空导弹以及定向红外干扰系统等。对此，《国家利益》网站的这篇文章指出，俄罗斯报的报道综合起来意思就是，中国应该购买苏-57隐身战机，但并不是用于替代已经开始批量生产的歼-20，而是将其当做是技术以及实际运用领域的补充。
有意思的是，俄罗斯方面还提出了一个十分新颖的观点。他们认为，中国率先引进苏-57，可以让这款战机对印度等其他潜在客户更加具有吸引力。而苏-57出口订单数量的增加，不仅可以使俄罗斯进一步加强对本国航空领域的投入，还会大大刺激苏-57的生产计划。这可能让俄罗斯在短时间内就开始大规模装备这款隐身战斗机，而受此影响，原本部署在太平洋地区的西方国家的第五代战机，也将被迫转移到欧洲方向，这完全符合中国的利益。
当然，文章最后还提到，在中俄两国战略合作不断加强的背景下，俄罗斯相关机构对于歼-20隐身战机的评估深度和兴趣也在与日俱增。虽然莫斯科可能无意进口这款中国的“旗舰”级隐身战机，但为给苏-57E出口中国找出一个令人信服的理由，即证明苏-57身上具备了中国所需要的，乃至是歼-20所缺乏的东西。在这种情况下，加深对歼-20的了解自然而然的成为了一项必须的工作。（作者署名：利刃军事）
Russian media: China should buy Su 57 instead of 歼20 but give it a hand
Russian media: China should buy Su 57 instead of 歼20 but give it a hand
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China bought Su-57 not to replace 歼-20? Russian media view is interesting: give him a hand
As we all know, because the Russian-made fifth-generation stealth fighter Su-57 has obtained far less orders than the expected in the Air Force, the Russian aviation industry can only bet the future of this fighter in the foreign military trade. On the road. In fact, it is not difficult to find out that when Su-57 is still in the development stage of T-50, the news about its export earnings has been one after another. In the near future, the export license from the Russian government and the emergence of the special foreign trade version of the Su-57E have made this series of discussions more and more enthusiastic.
(The reduction of the Su-57 order has forced him to turn his eyes overseas.) (The reduction of the Su-57 order has forced him to turn his attention overseas)
As Russia's long-term most important military and trade partner, even if it has begun mass production of the J-20, it is inevitably regarded as the main export market of Su-57E together with India and Turkey. Some people may be curious about this. Compared with our understanding of Su-57, what is the attitude of Russians to our 歼-20? Recently, the US "National Interests" website quoted a report published in the "Russian newspaper" about China's import of Su-57E, which can achieve mutual benefit and win-win results. It gives us a rough analysis of Russia's evaluation of China's 歼-20 and Su-57E. Entering China's view.
(China and India have always been regarded by Russia as the main export market of Su-57) (China and India have been regarded by Russia as the main export market of Su-57)
The article believes that the conclusion of this Russian report is that the Su-57 is not bad or bad compared to the 歼-20. They have achieved different positioning and application through different technical routes. First of all, the J-20 was designed as a missile platform with a relatively strong stealth capability, which means that they can penetrate the enemy's responsible air defense network and target the key nodes such as early warning aircraft, tankers and electronic warfare aircraft. In contrast, the Russian Su-57 is not only good at taking air control in air combat, but also has a certain stealth ability and good ground strike ability.
(Russian media believes that Su-57 is not bad or bad compared to 歼-20) (Russian media believes that Su-57 is not bad or bad compared to 歼-20)
In addition, the Russian newspaper also admitted that the stealth performance of the J-20 and the overall R&D equipment progress is better than the Su-57 project. But they also believe that the Su-57 used some technologies that were lacking in the development process, such as vector technology engines, long-range air-to-air missiles, and directional infrared interference systems. In this regard, the article on the "National Interests" website pointed out that the Russian newspaper's report combined means that China should purchase the Su-57 stealth fighter, but it is not used to replace the 歼-20 that has already started mass production, but will It is complemented by technology and practical applications.
(Buy Su-57 is not to replace 歼-20, but to supplement it) (Buy Su-57 is not to replace 歼-20, but to supplement it)
Interestingly, the Russian side has also put forward a very novel point of view. They believe that China's first introduction of Su-57 will make this fighter more attractive to other potential customers such as India. The increase in the number of Su-57 export orders will not only enable Russia to further increase its investment in the domestic aviation sector, but will also greatly stimulate the Su-57 production plan. This may allow Russia to start large-scale deployment of this stealth fighter in a short period of time. As a result, the fifth-generation fighters originally deployed in the western countries of the Pacific will also be forced to move to Europe, which is in full compliance with China. Interests.
(China's introduction of Su-57 can eventually force Western stealth fighters to move to other directions) (China's introduction of Su-57 can eventually force Western stealth fighters to move to other directions)
Of course, the article also mentioned at the end that under the background of the continuous strengthening of strategic cooperation between China and Russia, the depth and interest of Russian institutions in assessing the J-20 stealth fighters is also increasing. Although Moscow may not intend to import this Chinese flagship stealth fighter, it is a convincing reason to export the Su-57E to China, which proves that the Su-57 possesses what China needs, and even 歼- 20 things that are lacking. In this case, deepening the understanding of the 歼-20 has naturally become a necessary job. (Author's signature: Bladed Military)
