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Protesters broke into TV Station & PM Office

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Anti-Thug-Sin Protester took over TV Station & PM Office

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Thai PM Samak got hell today from PAD's angry protesters who broke police security lines and entered a TV Station as well as Samak's Office. Samak went on TV to warn punishment against protesters but TV Station's broadcast was interrupted by protesters which broke inside to take control of TV Station. :rolleyes:

:-)

Thug-Sin & family ran away absconding bail and his trusted friend Samak is getting the hell on his behalf now, from the angered protesters. Why don't old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew's famiLEE LEEgime give their old friend and Shin Corp partners Thug-Sin a political Asylum? :biggrin:

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BANGKOK, THAILAND: A mob of anti-government protesters pushed their way into the compound housing the offices of Thailand's prime minister on Tuesday (26 Aug), one of a series of actions against state agencies in the capital.
The demonstrators, from the right-wing People's Alliance for Democracy, stopped once they entered the compound at Government House at about 2:30pm and did not attempt to enter the official offices there, footage on Thai TV Channel 9 showed.
Earlier, mobs of alliance protesters took over a state-controlled television station and besieged several ministries in a self-described "final showdown" to try to bring down the elected government of Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej.
It was the first time in recent years that a large crowd managed to get onto the Government House grounds. The crowd of several thousand appeared peaceful.
Samak was expected to speak about the situation late Tuesday afternoon.
The protests were the latest effort by the alliance to force Samak's government from office. The group contends Samak is a proxy for former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in a 2006 coup and now has gone into self-imposed exile in England.
The protest group led months of demonstrations that ended in Thaksin's ouster by the September 2006 military coup for alleged corruption and abuse of power.
The strategy of the alliance now appears to be to provoke a violent crackdown from the government, with the goal of winning public sympathy and perhaps compelling the army to step in to restore order. The need to preserve order and avoid violent clashes was one of the excuses given by the military for the 2006 coup.
Gen. Anupong Paochinda, the country's powerful army chief, reassured the public that the military would not stage a coup, adding that the latest crisis can be solved politically.
Police on Tuesday were exercising obvious restraint, and there were no reports of them using any force.
Tuesday's actions by the alliance, which aligns itself with conservative factions of the monarchy and the military, began with a pre-dawn raid by about 80 masked members of the group on the main studios of TV Channel 11, operated by the government as National Broadcasting Services of Thailand, or NBT.
Footage of the incursion showed the attackers, armed with clubs and iron rods, herding staff out of the building and destroying some property. The station was prevented from broadcasting until police rounded up the invaders more than an hour later. Police said the attackers also were armed with knives and at least one gun, a .45-caliber pistol.
Crowds of protesters took over the TV station a second time at about 8am, pushing down a gate and rushing past police to occupy the offices. The station was temporarily forced off the air, resuming broadcasting within an hour from a remote location. The protesters claim the station is a political mouthpiece for the government.
The Thai Journalists Association protested the seizure of Channel 11, describing it as a threat to press freedom and freedom of expression.
As many as 30,000 supporters of the alliance carried out protests at about four government ministries and Government House.
In some cases, they were preventing employees from entering, according to a police official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to a reporter.
Samak, whose party won national elections last December, has refused to step aside and insisted as late as Monday that the protests would not affect Tuesday's weekly Cabinet meeting.
But by Tuesday morning, the government said it was moving the meeting from Government House to military headquarters to avoid protesters, deputy government spokesman Natawut Saikau said.
Protest leaders claimed several hundred thousand people were on the streets of Bangkok, but the numbers appeared far smaller. The group has a record of vastly inflating its crowd estimates.
"We are now controlling most of the key government offices to prevent them from coming to work," said Sondhi Limthongkul, a co-leader of the Alliance. "Today, we declare a long, long holiday for the government."
Outside of Bangkok, protesters said they had blocked three main highways leading into the capital.
The group has accused Samak of trying to amend the constitution to help Thaksin avert a string of corruption charges against him. They also have accused the government of failing to aggressively prosecute cases against Thaksin and refusing calls to extradite him to face justice.
It has also proposed replacing the country's electoral democracy with a system that would be dominated by appointees from the bureaucracy and the military, on the grounds that the country's rural majority is not sophisticated enough to choose good public servants.
The alliance appeared to be a threat to Samak's six-party coalition government earlier this year, but had been steadily losing influence. It alienated many Bangkok residents by disrupting already bad traffic in the capital city.
It also has lost its focus since Thaksin _ who returned to Thailand when Samak's government came to power _ went back into exile into England, becoming a fugitive when he missed a court appearance on one of several corruption charges pending against him. Thaksin claimed he could not get a fair trial in his homeland.
The group has hopped from issue to issue to try to rebuild its following. Last month it attacked the government for allegedly giving up Thai territory to Cambodia, and this month it has joined Bangkok residents unhappy over plans to move Parliament to their neighborhood. (By SUTIN WANNABOVORN/ AP)

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涉貪前總理讓人怒 泰國數千人示威


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涉嫌貪污的國家元首讓人民最憤怒,泰國總理薩瑪日前表示不撤銷涉嫌貪污的前總理塔克辛護照後,曼谷今天(26日)有數千人遊行要求總理薩瑪辭職,示威者並且兩度攻擊國營電視台,並且迫使其中斷播出節目。
反政府團體聯盟領袖宋迪表示,人民民主聯盟已經完全接管泰國國家廣播公司,他希望更多的人可以加入這場遊行活動。泰國國家廣播公司在中斷播送節目前,曾短暫地播放示威群眾衝破路障的畫面。
泰國外長班耐先前表示,塔克辛上周棄保逃亡至英國躲避收賄指控之後,外交部正在執行吊銷外交護照作業。不過,總理薩瑪卻向記者表示,他無意撤銷塔克辛的護照,據悉,薩瑪領導的政黨目前與塔克辛緊密結盟,所以民盟指控薩瑪政府是塔克辛的代言人,他們誓言要讓薩瑪下台。
泰國檢察官目前已經對前總理塔克辛進行通緝,泰國檢方根據正在調查的貪瀆案,要求最高法院沒收和他家族名下在泰國的22億美元財產,這批財產從前年9月塔克辛被政變推翻之後,就遭到凍結。
塔克辛代理律師20日證實塔克辛夫婦已向英國申請政治庇護,將不會出庭為遭指控的土地案辯護。塔克辛也透過聲明呼籲人民力量黨黨員支持現任總理薩瑪,塔克辛和他的家人對所有貪腐的指控全盤否認,塔克辛夫婦打著到北京參加奧運開幕典禮的幌子,落跑到英國尋求政治庇護。




posted by uncleyap at 12:28 AM
 
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You beleive that no thaksin is a good solution. Who is going to lea them?
 

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Well, I would have preferred the Democrats to win; but they were hamstrung by a popular Thaksin and his surrogate, PM Samak.

A word of caution though: The PAD, which is currently demanding the resignation of Thaksin's surrogate government, is even more right-wing than Thaksin & Samak. They want a return to a government which can be controlled strongly by the monarchy and the military- and not a fully democratic administration, elected by the people.

When the military and the monarch has too much veto power over Parliament, it effectively makes democracy rudderless and without much power from the mandate given by the people. Besides there were international independent monitors who observed the elections last year, and it was deemed legitimate.

The outcome wasn't what a lot of people within Thailand and overseas wanted, but when Samak was elected as PM as a result of the GE, you have to respect the results. Unfortunately, the current attempt to oust the Samak government outside of Parliamentary rules is to pervert the rule of law and democracy by itself.

I must repeat: the Thai military cannot rule Thailand. If so, the economy will be in the tank within a couple of years. If only for the economy, do I not support a return to a military rule for Thailand and the thai people.
 

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You beleive that no thaksin is a good solution. Who is going to lea them?

You read your own post properly, LEA them, did you meant LEE them? :confused::rolleyes::biggrin::biggrin:

No body needs any one to LEE them. Fuck that!

We want to rid this LEEgime and no one should LEE any country. Make that the UN law. :smile:

Can you please look further beyond just the GREEDY SELFISH BASTARDS for political leadership? Can? :confused:

Any normal political leader can lead, but only LKy the old dog thief can LEE, there is a hell of a difference OK?
 

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Yes agreed but, I must point out something besides these.

Because you stressed DEMOCRACY, which is a noble idea, but it is an idealism.

It is only good based on the assumption that majority people were righteous, selfless, wise, courageous, informed etc. All these ideal things are necessary for Democracy to work right. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, when the majority are apathetic, selfish, greedy, coward, deceived, blind-folded, unwisdom etc, then Democracy will be a major disaster indeed. Because it implied and physically transpire that powers are in the hands of such kind of people indeed. :eek:

Unfortunately - at least in my own view, the later is the case for most places including Singapore. :(:(:(

Therefore only greedy selfish coward unwise and blinded decisions will be produced out of democratic political process in most places. :(:p

Which is a very sad thing.:(:(:(

This is the consideration I had on weather to come out and help democrats fright LEEgime. I decided to do so not because I am adopting democratic principals put simply because I found that LEEgime already reach an extreme of being apathetic, selfish, greedy, coward, deceived, blind-folded, unwisdom etc that they had gone in this direction far beyond similarly bad effects that could come out of a democratic process among Kia-Su & Kia-Si selfish greedy coward Singaporeans. :biggrin:

Democratized Singapore will NOT bring out the best for Singapore, that I am very sure. I want to caution those who are blindly believing in this, that they are in for a very nasty surprise. These people are too naive to neglect the fact that majority people are apathetic, selfish, greedy, coward, blind and unwisely calculative, and that these people had wrongly assumed that great righteous wise decisions for the good of Singapore could be resulted from democratic process among Kia-Su Kia-Si Singaporeans. :(:(

I can tell everyone that is not going to be so ideal, and please don't be naive. I expect the outcome to be similar but just not as bad as One Nation Under famiLEE, that's all.
 

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Thai police take positions at besieged govt compound


<cite class="auth">AFP - 46 minutes ago</cite>BANGKOK (AFP) - - Riot police took up positions early Wednesday outside Thailand's main government compound, as authorities tried to negotiate an end to protests aimed at forcing Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej to resign.

Scuffles between protesters camped out overnight and police reporting for duty led to a few minor injuries, deputy national police spokesman Major General Surapol Tuanthong told AFP, but insisted there would be no violence.
"Police have surrounded Government House. They are not going to disperse the crowd -- we are trying to negotiate," Surapol said, adding that arrest warrants were being prepared for protest leaders.
On Tuesday, up to 35,000 demonstrators seized a state-run television station, invaded the grounds of Government House and besieged at least three ministries, stepped up their campaign to bring down Samak's administration.
The People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), which has been protesting since May, claims Samak is running the country on behalf of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in a 2006 coup and is barred from holding office.
Surapol said about 8,000 protesters remained within the government compound on Wednesday, while an AFP correspondent at the scene said hundreds of riot police, some armed with batons and shields, were waiting outside the gates.
At least 100 officers had managed to enter the compound, but remained separate from the protesters and appeared relaxed.
Army-run Thai television Channel Seven earlier reported that Interior Minister Kowit Wattana had entered the compound to negotiate with leaders.
"So far there is no positive response from them," deputy government spokesman Nuttawut Saikuae told state television.
Protesters remained calm early Wednesday, sitting on the manicured lawns of Government House and singing songs.
"Police will seek the warrants (for our arrest) today. Don't panic -- if we have been arrested, others will carry on," one protest leader, Chamlong Srimuang, told the crowd early Wednesday.
Thailand's two English-language newspapers, known for their criticism of the government and anti-Thaksin stance, nevertheless criticised the PAD's movement as "provocative".
"Dark days descending once again," wrote The Nation, saying: "The PAD's highly provocative action yesterday was completely uncalled for."
The Bangkok Post described Samak's calm reaction to the crisis as "commendable", while calling the PAD's actions "unjustified, unnecessary, provocative and illegal."
Samak, who was working Wednesday from army's headquarters, said Tuesday his approach would be "soft and gentle," and said police would simply surround the seat of government until everyone had left.
"They (the PAD) want bloodshed in the country, they want the military to come out and stage a coup again," Samak told a press conference.
"I will not resign, I will stay to protect this country," he added.
PAD protests in early 2006 helped lead to the putsch that unseated Thaksin, and the entry to government of his ally Samak infuriated the old power elites in the military and palace, who resented Thaksin's hold on rural voters.
Police had kept a low profile on Tuesday, barely attempting to try to stop demonstrators as they broke down the gates of various state offices.
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Well, to be honest, democracy should be about 4 things: the separation of powers and independence between the 3 branches of government, the rule of law, a knowledgeable society and the economical, social and mental future of a country.

But when the alternative of a democratically elected government by the masses is a retardation of progressive government, then we are wrong to select the alternative. Its like choosing a centre-right administration and an extreme right alternative; there's not much of a choice.

And besides to build up a society that is conducive to democracy means that you have to apply the rules systematically. Democracy is often not perfect; the history of the western world demonstrates such an example. But if America hadn't put its trust on the people who lived in the 13 states, whom most were farmers, and self-made men, and all migrants, then America wouldn't exist as now as it is.

In the end, do you trust an elite of military generals and monarchists, who are more interested in the status quo- or even worse, the past, to rule a country, or to allow all of the people, including poor farmers, and middle class professionals to elect their choice, and then a government which will allow ordinary people get into the ministries and set long term progressive policies that will bring the country foward?
 

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Well, to be honest, democracy should be about 4 things: the separation of powers and independence between the 3 branches of government, the rule of law, a knowledgeable society and the economical, social and mental future of a country.

But when the alternative of a democratically elected government by the masses is a retardation of progressive government, then we are wrong to select the alternative. Its like choosing a centre-right administration and an extreme right alternative; there's not much of a choice.

And besides to build up a society that is conducive to democracy means that you have to apply the rules systematically. Democracy is often not perfect; the history of the western world demonstrates such an example. But if America hadn't put its trust on the people who lived in the 13 states, whom most were farmers, and self-made men, and all migrants, then America wouldn't exist as now as it is.

In the end, do you trust an elite of military generals and monarchists, who are more interested in the status quo- or even worse, the past, to rule a country, or to allow all of the people, including poor farmers, and middle class professionals to elect their choice, and then a government which will allow ordinary people get into the ministries and set long term progressive policies that will bring the country foward?

I am aware of all the up-side about democracy, so need not preach to me those, I am not saying that you are doing that. But I just point it out that I am aware.

I always ask this question: when most of your peasants are only interested to sell their votes to highest bidder, why do you fight so hard to put voting powers into their hands? :confused: Don't they deserve to have no chance to vote and their so called MPs walked over? :p

When greed selfishness and coward plagued majority, democratic process only put power into hands of such type of majority. I know what they want: They want only to strike ToTo & 4D, lots of sex but not making children, and lots of money, not need to work or contribute to the society / nation.
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

If this is the kind of people who want to so call give you mandate and put you into the parliament, do you want to accept their mandate? Their mandate is to have you make them rich and happy and they just do nothing awaiting for you to enrich them and keep them in comfort and security. I don't know about you, I won't be interested in this case. :smile:

PAp pull the bluffs and painted rosy pictures & threaten a bit, they got all the votes. Very easy actually, not just the PAp can do this, there are many alternatives, FTs can do this even better - you just wait and watch, they will take over from PAp and not the current oppositions. :eek:

Democracy brings out the best of a nation when the majority people are of quality. You can give democracy to a prison and watch what happen in there :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: I think Obama will also run away if you put him there to be president.

My caution is against the blind faith for democracy. Although I fight to have bastardized dictators removed, I only do so because they are so bad, too bad to be tolerated further. I am against blind faith for democracy. The fanatical idealist can be as big a problem as religious hot-heads.
 
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Storm into TV station and PM office is undemocratic and barbaric act. Those protester should never done that, they can boycott and demonstrate in peaceful way.
Thaksin maybe corrupt leader. But until now he is most capable PM in Thailand until now. Bring the economy to new level and fighting drug.
Maybe he should going back to Thailand to become PM and pay the tax and fine for selling the Telco. That the win win situation for Thais.
I believe is the Thai King try bring him down. Worry that one day he will be like puppet King with no power like in Malaysia,Britain,France and worst Nepal totally gone.
 

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This Sondhi chap heading PAD is a self-serving hypocrite. On balance Samak and Thaksin before him won the GE generally applying democratic principles and rules, notwithstanding standard dirty tricks by all sides. The rural peasant majority clearly still support Thaksin notwithstanding the criminal charges preferred against him, for better or for worse. That is democracy at play which the hypocritical mob rule PAD and its backers do not respect.

Must give credit to Malaysia's ruling BN, notwithstanding all the dirty political tricks, the recent PP by-election showed that basic democracy still counts for something, at least for now.

But I should also say that Thaksin himself is a self-serving hypocrite, because when he first came to power in 2001, the Thai Supreme Court had to rule whether he breached political office laws concerning the transfer of his wealth to his servants and children and on that occasion the Court ruled in his favour with probable bias. Now fast forward to 2008 when the Thai Supreme Court convicts his wife, Thaksin cries foul play which is clearly double standards.

A word of caution though: The PAD, which is currently demanding the resignation of Thaksin's surrogate government, is even more right-wing than Thaksin & Samak. They want a return to a government which can be controlled strongly by the monarchy and the military- and not a fully democratic administration, elected by the people.

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Dear Por

Democracy is about a fair means to achieve the ultimate political goal with the losers having the maturity to lick their wounds and plan for the next fight in four years. It is about the process and not about the results and certainly not about who gets elected

Both might be self serving crooks and hypocrites but democracy has chosen one over the other. Whats the alternative Thaksin rural supporters on one side, Sondhi's city supporters on another, they bash each other silly until the one with the most supporters left alive rules the country ?


Locke
 

uncleyap

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The aggressiveness of PAD protesters had significantly increased this round, vs their previous round against then PM Thug-Sin. Obviously they learn from their own experience in the last round that it had not worked. They raised their stakes this round. :rolleyes:

Samak may look soft from his public statements and gestures. But let me remind everyone that he came in with the preparations to face the then military takeover regime. This means he is in prepared to take something hard.

He remembers very well what happened to Thug-Sin & Thai Rak Thai party. :biggrin:

I can tell that this current level of PAD aggressiveness is still insufficient to shock Samak. Not yet. PAD must size up Samak and calculate nicely.
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But PAD surely mean business with 35,000 protesters besieged government ministries and government TV stations. Given just half this amount type of PAD protesters to Singapore, LKy can be fixed at once. :biggrin:
 

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In my opinion, PM Samak is still the rightful Prime Minister, because his mandate is there. I may not like his ties to Thaksin, but the results of last year's election remains valid.

Therefore, unlike in 2006, I do not support a second coup by the PAD and, besides people like Sondhi have definitely, their eyes on the Prime ministerial post. Its not good for democracy when a government is overthrown because of complete self-interest of the PAD, and not because of professional reasons.

I have stated this very clearly, Uncle Yap. I'm not backing down on this.
 

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In my opinion, PM Samak is still the rightful Prime Minister, because his mandate is there. I may not like his ties to Thaksin, but the results of last year's election remains valid.

Therefore, unlike in 2006, I do not support a second coup by the PAD and, besides people like Sondhi have definitely, their eyes on the Prime ministerial post. Its not good for democracy when a government is overthrown because of complete self-interest of the PAD, and not because of professional reasons.

I have stated this very clearly, Uncle Yap. I'm not backing down on this.

Your theory's basis stands, but don't you also want to say that Thaksin also have mandate and was also elected? So what if Samak was elected? Thai people still got right to demand him to FO any time.
 

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Your theory's basis stands, but don't you also want to say that Thaksin also have mandate and was also elected? So what if Samak was elected? Thai people still got right to demand him to FO any time.

I'm realistic about this. In 2006, there were huge numbers to get him out and Thaksin was clearly using unconstitutional methods to get himself into a permanent position of being PM for twenty years. And so the military had to act.

But after the coup, the military junta had one year to prove itself and it failed miserably in the area of economics, clearly the most important area of management for anyone inside or outside of the country.

However, in contrast to now, most Bangkok residents- unlike in 2006- do not support the PAD attempt to kick PM Samak out. In fact they find them to be an extreme irritant. They probably believe, rightfully, that 2 coups in 3 years is simply too much, and so do not support. Plus Samak has not made any attempt to become PM for 20 years through acclaimation or through political force by Parliament.

Also, his is a coalition government- unlike Thaksin who had 2/3 control of Parliament in 2006. So Samak's hand is restricted and the coalition partners are unlikely to approve any move by Samak to become a PM with extraordinary powers anytime soon.

So its pretty clear: PM Samak deserves to stay and its up to Parliament to decide when he stays and go. Otherwise any move to push him out through a coup and through bloodshed is wrong and unconstitutional.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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I tend to agree with you. Got to live by the "process" provided it is generally fair to all sides notwithstanding the ubiquitous political dirty tricks.

What PAD is now doing is uncalled for, unjustified and legally wrong, which is what the Bangkok Post stated. This minority mob rule is bad for Thailand and all Thais.

Dear Por

Democracy is about a fair means to achieve the ultimate political goal with the losers having the maturity to lick their wounds and plan for the next fight in four years. It is about the process and not about the results and certainly not about who gets elected

Both might be self serving crooks and hypocrites but democracy has chosen one over the other. Whats the alternative Thaksin rural supporters on one side, Sondhi's city supporters on another, they bash each other silly until the one with the most supporters left alive rules the country ?


Locke
 
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