Proof That Welfare For Poor Lazy People Breeds Crutch Mentality

[clinton666]

If there were a minimum wage and a strickly 8 hour 5 work day rule, it won't be this bad for this family.

There are a lot of big families in the west too. But because of their fair labour laws, parents can easily work a few jobs and live comfortably.

How can one earn extra money in peesai when one job takes up all your time and pays peanuts?

In Canada for example, I have seen students in bikini tops cutting grass outside Wallmart during summer vacation. Money made during summer can easily pay off a year of tuition and school spending.

You retarded dog :oIo:

I suppose you will hire Mdm Juliana for $2,000 minimum wage and is cool with her sleeping on the job. Minimum will simple depress our productivity.

 

[ArtBoon]

Min wage is useful when applied to those that could be hired.
If the worker is a useless worker, then that person won't be hired in the first place, whether or not there is a min wage.

You retarded dog :oIo:

I suppose you will hire Mdm Juliana for $2,000 minimum wage and is cool with her sleeping on the job. Minimum will simple depress our productivity.

 

[clinton666]

Min wage is useful when applied to those that could be hired.
If the worker is a useless worker, then that person won't be hired in the first place, whether or not there is a min wage.

You retarded dog :oIo:

This is exactly what these people want. They will claim they cannot get a job.
Obviously, you have zero knoiwledge of economics. People are paid to the level of their capability and productivity. Having minimum wage will make people lazy since they will be getting paid more than what they deserve.

 

[cass888]

If rich people are no better than poor people, then why the hell do poor people always have to beg from the rich people. And I am always served by the poor people and I can verbally fuck them and they will still smile at me.

You must be crazy if you do that to people who serve you food. We will usually be sickenly sweet to the maid until the ride to Changi Airport and home forever.

 

[cass888]

More proof. Offered a job but she preferred to beg.


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#000000 colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>She turns down job offer with higher pay, doesn't want steady work. Her excuses:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w>TOO FAR
Transport costs will eat into pay </TD></TR><TR><TD>TOO PAINFUL
Can't work long hours due to old injury</TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=font12w>By Genevieve Jiang</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=font12w>December 11, 2008</TD><TD width=30> </TD><TD width=10> </TD><TD width=30> </TD><TD width=40> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2 height=0>

</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rightline vAlign=top><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=font12 vAlign=top align=left>WHEN community workers recommended a higher-paying full-time job earlier this year, she wouldn't take it.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=150 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]POVERTY TRAP: Madam Lim holding letters from HDB and Singapore Power saying she owed them money. Behind on the beds are her three teenage children. <COPYRIGHT>TNP PICTURES: GAVIN FOO </COPYRIGHT>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Her reason: The workplace was too far.
Prospects at the proposed job were better than at her last job, as a part-time general worker at a voluntary welfare organisation.
Yet Madam Lim Geok Tin, 48, chose to rely on charity, free food rations and temporary financial help.
She also called this reporter to tell her story with the aim of seeking donations from the public.
She claimed she had not been working for the past year. But our checks showed this was not true.
The Central Community Development Council (CDC) and a nearby family service centre (FSC) revealed that she had been working until October this year earning about $500 a month.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=150 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It was not known why she had to stop working.
Madam Lim, who is divorced, lives with her three teenage children in a rented one-room flat at Jalan Bukit Merah. She claims she does not get any maintenance from her ex-husband.
For the past few years, she has been supplementing her income with help from The Straits Times Pocket Money Fund. The CDC has also helped her with rental and service and conservancy vouchers.
Madam Lim claimed she cannot remember the number of times she has gone to her Member of Parliament for help to pay her rent and utilities.
She claimed her case worker from the FSC had told her there was little more that could be done to help her unless she found a proper job.
Said Madam Lim: 'I've been told many times by the social worker to get a stable job, but I cannot work long hours. I have an old injury in my back, left leg and right hand from years ago, which acts up now and then. I cannot stand or squat for long, and cannot carry heavy objects.'
The New Paper visited the family at home twice last week and noticed Madam Lim's right hand swathed in bandages. She appeared to have problems walking and standing, and frequently sought her children's help.
But she could not show us medical documents, claiming that she had not seen a doctor for her ailments.
Intellectually disabled
Her eldest daughter, now 17, is intellectually disabled. She also has a 15-year-old son and a second daughter aged 13.
Madam Lim claimed that she received $105 for only three months last year through the ST Pocket Money Fund. But her case worker, who declined to be named, said the amount was much more and help was extended over a much longer period.
She could not reveal the exact period and amount, citing client confidentiality.
Madam Lim also claimed that she was working as a contract worker at a factory last year, earning about $400 a month. Her contract ended in December last year and was not renewed. She has not found full-time work since, she claimed.
She said she works odd jobs a few days every month, earning only $5 an hour. But the CDC revealed that she had been earning $500 a month as a general worker until October.
She claimed that the CDC did not help her look for jobs. But a CDC spokesman said it had been 'advising her on getting long-term employment with better prospects, but she showed no interest'.
'The reason she gave was that her current employment could be reached by foot and that would save her money on transportation,' the spokesman said.
She had been switching jobs often, the FSC case worker said.
Madam Lim also claimed she had no money for food, but when asked about the bags of uncooked rice in her refrigerator, she admitted that she gets free monthly food rations, including canned food and biscuits, from the Salvation Army, and another nearby welfare organisation.
Her story was published in The New Paper two years ago when she received help from the Young Women's Christian Association's Meals-on-Wheels programme, under which free dinners are delivered to the family every weekday. She received several hundred dollars worth of donations after the article was published.
Madam Lim recently got in touch with this reporter again, asking for help to pay her rent and utility bills.
She received a letter from HDB dated 21Oct, a copy of which was shown to The New Paper, stating that she still owed $265, six months' rent. Another letter, from Singapore Power, dated 20Oct, stated that she still owed more than $500 in utility charges.
Madam Lim said her financial woes started in 2000, when her ex-husband's business ran into problems. She claimed that when the business failed, they were left with debts of thousands of dollars.
The family was then living in a three-room flat in Bukit Panjang. To help pay off the debts, they sold the flat and rented another three-room flat in the same area, she said.
But things didn't improve. Madam Lim's ex-husband could not get work.
In 2003, to avoid his creditors, they moved to another rented three-room flat, in Marsiling. Madam Lim found work as a dishwasher, earning about $200 a month. Her ex-husband was then still unemployed.
She claimed he was aggressive and often demanded money from her.
The couple separated in 2005 and are no longer in touch. As she did not want any contact with him, she quit her job as a dishwasher, she said.
Sell tissue packets
With no savings and no income, she resorted to selling packets of tissue on the streets with her children, she claimed.
In July 2005, Madam Lim took her children and moved to the one-room Jalan Bukit Merah flat where they live today.
Her elder daughter, who has an IQ of only 70 (normal is 90 to 110), has been attending a special school since 2006. Her school fees are subsidised.
The two younger children are in neighbourhood schools. Their school fees are waived, and the schools give them free books and vouchers for meals, she said.
During our visit, the son was fiddling with a hand-held electronic game. On his sister's bed was a Sesame Street soft toy, the size of a bolster.
Madam Lim claimed these were gifts.
She said: 'It's not that I don't want to work, but I cannot.'
So she continues to look for help from others. Old habits die hard.

TOMORROW: In the last of our four-part series, social workers speak of a problem they have grappled with for years - welfare shoppers and clients who refuse to help themselves. <HR width="95%" SIZE=1>
CLAIMS & COUNTER-CLAIMS
Madam Lim says she hasn't worked in the past year
Charity workers say she was working and earning about $500 a month up to October
She says she received $105 for only three months from ST School Pocket Money Fund
Case worker says she got much more and over a longer period
She says she has no money for food
When reporter spots bags of uncooked rice in the fridge, she admits she gets free monthly food rations
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[clinton666]

More proof. Offered a job but she preferred to beg.


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#000000 colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>She turns down job offer with higher pay, doesn't want steady work. Her excuses:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w>TOO FAR
Transport costs will eat into pay </TD></TR><TR><TD>TOO PAINFUL
Can't work long hours due to old injury</TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=font12w>By Genevieve Jiang</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=font12w>December 11, 2008</TD><TD width=30> </TD><TD width=10> </TD><TD width=30> </TD><TD width=40> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=font12w></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2 height=0>

</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rightline vAlign=top><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=font12 vAlign=top align=left>WHEN community workers recommended a higher-paying full-time job earlier this year, she wouldn't take it.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=150 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]POVERTY TRAP: Madam Lim holding letters from HDB and Singapore Power saying she owed them money. Behind on the beds are her three teenage children. <COPYRIGHT>TNP PICTURES: GAVIN FOO </COPYRIGHT>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Her reason: The workplace was too far.
Prospects at the proposed job were better than at her last job, as a part-time general worker at a voluntary welfare organisation.
Yet Madam Lim Geok Tin, 48, chose to rely on charity, free food rations and temporary financial help.
She also called this reporter to tell her story with the aim of seeking donations from the public.
She claimed she had not been working for the past year. But our checks showed this was not true.
The Central Community Development Council (CDC) and a nearby family service centre (FSC) revealed that she had been working until October this year earning about $500 a month.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=150 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It was not known why she had to stop working.
Madam Lim, who is divorced, lives with her three teenage children in a rented one-room flat at Jalan Bukit Merah. She claims she does not get any maintenance from her ex-husband.
For the past few years, she has been supplementing her income with help from The Straits Times Pocket Money Fund. The CDC has also helped her with rental and service and conservancy vouchers.
Madam Lim claimed she cannot remember the number of times she has gone to her Member of Parliament for help to pay her rent and utilities.
She claimed her case worker from the FSC had told her there was little more that could be done to help her unless she found a proper job.
Said Madam Lim: 'I've been told many times by the social worker to get a stable job, but I cannot work long hours. I have an old injury in my back, left leg and right hand from years ago, which acts up now and then. I cannot stand or squat for long, and cannot carry heavy objects.'
The New Paper visited the family at home twice last week and noticed Madam Lim's right hand swathed in bandages. She appeared to have problems walking and standing, and frequently sought her children's help.
But she could not show us medical documents, claiming that she had not seen a doctor for her ailments.
Intellectually disabled
Her eldest daughter, now 17, is intellectually disabled. She also has a 15-year-old son and a second daughter aged 13.
Madam Lim claimed that she received $105 for only three months last year through the ST Pocket Money Fund. But her case worker, who declined to be named, said the amount was much more and help was extended over a much longer period.
She could not reveal the exact period and amount, citing client confidentiality.
Madam Lim also claimed that she was working as a contract worker at a factory last year, earning about $400 a month. Her contract ended in December last year and was not renewed. She has not found full-time work since, she claimed.
She said she works odd jobs a few days every month, earning only $5 an hour. But the CDC revealed that she had been earning $500 a month as a general worker until October.
She claimed that the CDC did not help her look for jobs. But a CDC spokesman said it had been 'advising her on getting long-term employment with better prospects, but she showed no interest'.
'The reason she gave was that her current employment could be reached by foot and that would save her money on transportation,' the spokesman said.
She had been switching jobs often, the FSC case worker said.
Madam Lim also claimed she had no money for food, but when asked about the bags of uncooked rice in her refrigerator, she admitted that she gets free monthly food rations, including canned food and biscuits, from the Salvation Army, and another nearby welfare organisation.
Her story was published in The New Paper two years ago when she received help from the Young Women's Christian Association's Meals-on-Wheels programme, under which free dinners are delivered to the family every weekday. She received several hundred dollars worth of donations after the article was published.
Madam Lim recently got in touch with this reporter again, asking for help to pay her rent and utility bills.
She received a letter from HDB dated 21Oct, a copy of which was shown to The New Paper, stating that she still owed $265, six months' rent. Another letter, from Singapore Power, dated 20Oct, stated that she still owed more than $500 in utility charges.
Madam Lim said her financial woes started in 2000, when her ex-husband's business ran into problems. She claimed that when the business failed, they were left with debts of thousands of dollars.
The family was then living in a three-room flat in Bukit Panjang. To help pay off the debts, they sold the flat and rented another three-room flat in the same area, she said.
But things didn't improve. Madam Lim's ex-husband could not get work.
In 2003, to avoid his creditors, they moved to another rented three-room flat, in Marsiling. Madam Lim found work as a dishwasher, earning about $200 a month. Her ex-husband was then still unemployed.
She claimed he was aggressive and often demanded money from her.
The couple separated in 2005 and are no longer in touch. As she did not want any contact with him, she quit her job as a dishwasher, she said.
Sell tissue packets
With no savings and no income, she resorted to selling packets of tissue on the streets with her children, she claimed.
In July 2005, Madam Lim took her children and moved to the one-room Jalan Bukit Merah flat where they live today.
Her elder daughter, who has an IQ of only 70 (normal is 90 to 110), has been attending a special school since 2006. Her school fees are subsidised.
The two younger children are in neighbourhood schools. Their school fees are waived, and the schools give them free books and vouchers for meals, she said.
During our visit, the son was fiddling with a hand-held electronic game. On his sister's bed was a Sesame Street soft toy, the size of a bolster.
Madam Lim claimed these were gifts.
She said: 'It's not that I don't want to work, but I cannot.'
So she continues to look for help from others. Old habits die hard.

TOMORROW: In the last of our four-part series, social workers speak of a problem they have grappled with for years - welfare shoppers and clients who refuse to help themselves. <HR width="95%" SIZE=1>
CLAIMS & COUNTER-CLAIMS
Madam Lim says she hasn't worked in the past year
Charity workers say she was working and earning about $500 a month up to October
She says she received $105 for only three months from ST School Pocket Money Fund
Case worker says she got much more and over a longer period
She says she has no money for food
When reporter spots bags of uncooked rice in the fridge, she admits she gets free monthly food rations
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Our govt's job is to help those who wants to help themselves through training grants and job recommendation.

Giving them freebies, in this and the earlier example, has breed a crutch mentality.

 

[The_Latest_H]

I think its more of a "are we gonna sweep everything under the carpet, and hope these people would disappear from the face of the earth" or "we have to sort it out now, using a better system, and using a carrot-and-stick approach to address this directly" thing.

I mean the government is implying that by exposing such people, people would easily say "forget about these jerks" and let them die their own business. But this purposeful exposure also shows that if we just let them die "their own business", it actually works to tear up the remaining strands of the fragile social fabric in Singapore.

Its often said that there will be poor people who might consider a life of crime because they can't find jobs. As a result in many countries, like the US, and in comparison to Singapore, Australia, poorer people in these countries resort to petty crime to help them live. And higher crime rates tear at the social fabric of the country.

That's why Singapore has to not consider sweeping this under the carpet- which would make it an even bigger issue in the generations ahead, when these 5 year old kids borne to these families grow up and might contribute to these problems of crime, through petty crimes, drug consumption and others.

Instead its time not to make these kids victim of their parents' sin. We also have to help these parents, let it be we are using the carrots in some situations, and the stick in others.

 

[chinkangkor]

But this purposeful exposure also shows that if we just let them die "their own business", it actually works to tear up the remaining strands of the fragile social fabric in Singapore.

Spot on Bro.

Are these few cases representative of all the poor and helpless people in S'pore? The PAP mouthpiece orchestrated these stories to sway public opinion to the govt side so that the govt can claim that it is the poor who don't want to help themselves.

The wages of the lower skilled have been depressed to the level where it is not even enough to support one person, let alone a family. The skill training programmes for these people is not effective as employers can still choose not to offer jobs to them but choose to employ younger foreign workers. This is the reality on the ground.

The ministers need millions of dollars every year so that they will have the incentive to serve the people. The poor, on the other hand, are expected to be motivated enough to work on a salary that is below subsistence level.

Make no mistake, the plight of these poor is partly the result of the indiscriminate liberal labour policy of the PAP govt.

 

[chupacabra]

CLAIMS & COUNTER-CLAIMS
Madam Lim says she hasn't worked in the past year
Charity workers say she was working and earning about $500 a month up to October

Why can't Charity workers do their so call "charity work" and help her instead of harping on the fact that she worked for miserly $500?
Why only the few bastards in peesai can name their own price?
Charity workers never heard such a thing called " Quality of Life"?

She says she received $105 for only three months from ST School Pocket Money Fund
Case worker says she got much more and over a longer period

How much more? How long of a period? Why the insincerity? Why the calculativeness? Where 's all the millions generated by charity groups? Why mudderfuckers like TT Durai paid millions?

She says she has no money for food
When reporter spots bags of uncooked rice in the fridge, she admits she gets free monthly food rations

This is the biggest joke. Hey mudderfucking reporter idiot, this is not Saigon during the Vietnam war ok. Your masters claim this is first world Golden period. You know what it means when first world says they got no food or not? Haven't you heard of nutrition ? Well balance meal ? Why don't the whole gang at 154th survive on rice alone. See how long you fucking traitors last.

Again this is a lame attempt to justify their lame excuse of a help and to show the world that peesai pappies care.

The half fuck methods just to show the world welfare exist in peesailand.

Like the infamous phrase says " If you're not good enough, life gonna kick you in the balls"

I got news for you mudderfuckers, life is kicking you in the balls right now in the form of worldwide recession. Lets see if you're good enough.

 

[clinton666]

CLAIMS & COUNTER-CLAIMS
Madam Lim says she hasn't worked in the past year
Charity workers say she was working and earning about $500 a month up to October

Why can't Charity workers do their so call "charity work" and help her instead of harping on the fact that she worked for miserly $500?
Why only the few bastards in peesai can name their own price?
Charity workers never heard such a thing called " Quality of Life"?

She says she received $105 for only three months from ST School Pocket Money Fund
Case worker says she got much more and over a longer period

How much more? How long of a period? Why the insincerity? Why the calculativeness? Where 's all the millions generated by charity groups? Why mudderfuckers like TT Durai paid millions?

She says she has no money for food
When reporter spots bags of uncooked rice in the fridge, she admits she gets free monthly food rations

This is the biggest joke. Hey mudderfucking reporter idiot, this is not Saigon during the Vietnam war ok. Your masters claim this is first world Golden period. You know what it means when first world says they got no food or not? Haven't you heard of nutrition ? Well balance meal ? Why don't the whole gang at 154th survive on rice alone. See how long you fucking traitors last.

Again this is a lame attempt to justify their lame excuse of a help and to show the world that peesai pappies care.

The half fuck methods just to show the world welfare exist in peesailand.

Like the infamous phrase says " If you're not good enough, life gonna kick you in the balls"

I got news for you mudderfuckers, life is kicking you in the balls right now in the form of worldwide recession. Lets see if you're good enough.

You spastic retarded dog :oIo: I would personally hang you by your balls if only you have them.

If the the govt has not help them, they would have starved to death by now. What do think they have been eating for the past year, your bullcrap??

 

[clinton666]

I think its more of a "are we gonna sweep everything under the carpet, and hope these people would disappear from the face of the earth" or "we have to sort it out now, using a better system, and using a carrot-and-stick approach to address this directly" thing.

I mean the government is implying that by exposing such people, people would easily say "forget about these jerks" and let them die their own business. But this purposeful exposure also shows that if we just let them die "their own business", it actually works to tear up the remaining strands of the fragile social fabric in Singapore.

Its often said that there will be poor people who might consider a life of crime because they can't find jobs. As a result in many countries, like the US, and in comparison to Singapore, Australia, poorer people in these countries resort to petty crime to help them live. And higher crime rates tear at the social fabric of the country.

That's why Singapore has to not consider sweeping this under the carpet- which would make it an even bigger issue in the generations ahead, when these 5 year old kids borne to these families grow up and might contribute to these problems of crime, through petty crimes, drug consumption and others.

Instead its time not to make these kids victim of their parents' sin. We also have to help these parents, let it be we are using the carrots in some situations, and the stick in others.

You retarded turd :oIo:

Singapore Police Force is the best in the world and we have the safest streets in the universe. You better watch your arse and don't get sodomised by those redneck Aussies or Lebs.

 

[Satan]

You retarded dog :oIo:

I suppose you will hire Mdm Juliana for $2,000 minimum wage and is cool with her sleeping on the job. Minimum will simple depress our productivity.

Do you know the concept of minimum wage in the first place? In most first world countries, there is mimum wage to ensure that a worker does not get paid below a certain rate so that what he earns can see him through. In Sinkeeland, there is no such regulation. Which explains why there are so many F Trashes that are hired and Singaproeans laid off.

 

[yellow_people]

Do you know the concept of minimum wage in the first place? In most first world countries, there is mimum wage to ensure that a worker does not get paid below a certain rate so that what he earns can see him through. In Sinkeeland, there is no such regulation. Which explains why there are so many F Trashes that are hired and Singaproeans laid off.

Minimum wage is not going to make life hunky dory as many seem to believe. Imposing minimum wage will drive costs up. That plate of chicken rice at the local coffee shop may cost $12 or that bottle of beer may cost $14. You need to pay the stall attendants and the bangala worker that cleans the table after you - minimum wage. Japan has minimum wage and its goddamn expensive to eat out. They pack bento boxes to work. In London, the average worker packs a sandwich to work. Sinkees complain when the price of coffee or popiah goes up by 10 or 20 cents. Most eat out and have no concept of DIY. That will change with minimum wage.

Your maids will no longer be cheep either and most Singaporean households that employ one now will no longer be able to afford having a maid. You need to pay the Bangala construction worker minimum wage too. The cleaners in the constituency have to be paid minimum wages too. That means you pay more in conservancy charges.

Not all foreign workers belong in the FT category and they are being exploited in Singapore because no Singaporean wants to do any sort of menial work.

If you want to compare SG to a 1st world country, you have to start treating these workers with a decent measure of dignity and respect first.

 

[Zeitgeist]

If you want to compare SG to a 1st world country, you have to start treating these workers with a decent measure of dignity and respect first.

Should be classified as one of the best quotes in this forum!

 

[chinkangkor]

This is exactly what these people want. They will claim they cannot get a job.
Obviously, you have zero knoiwledge of economics. People are paid to the level of their capability and productivity. Having minimum wage will make people lazy since they will be getting paid more than what they deserve.

People are paid based on the demand and supply of labour in a free labour market.

The opening of the floodgate to cheap foreign labour increases the labour supply until it pushes down wage levels in s'pore.

 

[ArtBoon]

I don't know about economics, bro
But I do know that if I don't want to hire the person, even if there is a min wage, it does not make any difference to me, especially when there are many hungry foreign workers from other countries competing for the same job.

You retarded dog :oIo:

This is exactly what these people want. They will claim they cannot get a job.
Obviously, you have zero knoiwledge of economics. People are paid to the level of their capability and productivity. Having minimum wage will make people lazy since they will be getting paid more than what they deserve.

 

[chupacabra]

Minimum wage is not going to make life hunky dory as many seem to believe. Imposing minimum wage will drive costs up. That plate of chicken rice at the local coffee shop may cost $12 or that bottle of beer may cost $14. You need to pay the stall attendants and the bangala worker that cleans the table after you - minimum wage. Japan has minimum wage and its goddamn expensive to eat out. They pack bento boxes to work. In London, the average worker packs a sandwich to work. Sinkees complain when the price of coffee or popiah goes up by 10 or 20 cents. Most eat out and have no concept of DIY. That will change with minimum wage.

Your maids will no longer be cheep either and most Singaporean households that employ one now will no longer be able to afford having a maid. You need to pay the Bangala construction worker minimum wage too. The cleaners in the constituency have to be paid minimum wages too. That means you pay more in conservancy charges.

Not all foreign workers belong in the FT category and they are being exploited in Singapore because no Singaporean wants to do any sort of menial work.

If you want to compare SG to a 1st world country, you have to start treating these workers with a decent measure of dignity and respect first.

How many workers does one hawker hires? 1 -2 ? $6 - $8 per hour not going to break the bank.

Why can't rents go down to offset higher wages? Who currently benefits from cheap labour and high rents?

$12 dollar chicken rice? With so many competition in the food sector no one dares to charge $12 for chicken rice la unless singtel buys all the chicken rice stall in peesai.

You obviously never work in a 1st world country. You still can get meals under $10 bucks in countries with minimum wage.

Have you been to Alberta? With the average wage of $12 per hour, you can still get 10oz rib eye steak and a beer under C$ 20. Plus taxes.

 

[chupacabra]

How do you go about treating foreign workers with dignity?

Why can't we compare SG to first world? Services here are first world prices so why can't wages be first world?

"Decent measure of dignity and respect" = Fair wages
If you got better ideas than fair wages please share.

Do you think these workers would rather have a pat in the back for a good job done?

 

[The_Latest_H]

How do you go about treating foreign workers with dignity?

Why can't we compare SG to first world? Services here are first world prices so why can't wages be first world?

"Decent measure of dignity and respect" = Fair wages
If you got better ideas than fair wages please share.

Do you think these workers would rather have a pat in the back for a good job done?

Being at similar wage levels with their foreign counterparts is a very good step in ensuring that S'poreans would feel that they are being taken care of with "a decent measure of dignity and respect".

Who likes to think that a S'pore plumber likes to earn only say $1500 per month, while an Aussie one can earn 2-3 times more, and might even open up his own plumbing franchise one day?

 

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Do you know the concept of minimum wage in the first place? In most first world countries, there is mimum wage to ensure that a worker does not get paid below a certain rate so that what he earns can see him through. In Sinkeeland, there is no such regulation. Which explains why there are so many F Trashes that are hired and Singaproeans laid off.

Concept of a minimum wage is enacting laws to force productive people to pay losers more than what they're worth. If they don't want to work at their market rate, they deserve to be replaced by PRC/India/Filipino/etc. Why should employers be blackmailed by these bottom of the food chain losers?