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PRC parliament suggested name new carrier after ancient general who conquest Taiwan & Japan

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http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-03-17/doc-ifyshfuq6771567.shtml

代表建议用卫温命名航母 这位古代将军做了什么?
代表建议用卫温命名航母 这位古代将军做了什么?

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  近日,全国人大代表、台州市人大常委会主任元茂荣提交了一份建议,建议首艘国产航母以“卫温”命名,提案还受到了多名代表的支持!

  近年来,随着中国海军的蓬勃发展,社会各界对海军发展的关心也上升到了一个从未有过的高度。对于航母这一国之重器更是舆论的热点,而为航母起名也成为人们茶余饭后的谈资。除了地名外,网络上曾经出现过不少用人名来命名中国航母的例子,比如刘华清号(海军司令、航母倡导者)、郑成功号(赶走荷兰殖民者的民族英雄)、施琅号(收复宝岛水师将领)等。那么现在这位“卫温”又是谁呢?

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对于卫温,可能普通人,包括一般的军迷都不是很了解。
  卫温是三国时期东吴的大将,1788年前,也就是当时的公元230年,即黄龙二年,东吴霸主孙权派遣将军卫温、诸葛直率领甲士万人渡海以求夷州和亶州。这里的夷州其实就是指宝岛,而亶州是指现在的日本。

  当时中原已经了解到东海之中有夷州和亶州存在,特别是夷州离东吴所辖的东南沿海很近,是可以东渡的。从沿海渔民的零星传说中也了解到夷州是一个四季如春的宝岛。三国东吴时期的临海郡太守沈萤曾经在自己著的《临海水土志》(世界上最早记录宝岛的文献之一)中这样描写夷州:“土地无霜雪,草木不死。”

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  正好处于三国争霸期间的孙权希望能够得到夷州,在夷州征兵扩充自己的实力。另一方面,已经年近50的孙权对自己的身后事也非常在意,当时都知道秦始皇派徐福东渡亶州寻找蓬莱而未归的故事,他也希望能够通过夷州去往亶州,寻仙访药,或者是找到徐福的后人,以得长生之法。

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  为此,卫温和诸葛直领命率领1万兵士航向夷州。由于当时东吴已经拥有了较为发达的航运能力,对于并不远的夷州还是能够抵达的。当东吴军队到达夷州后,和当地山夷(土著)发生冲突,山夷不是成建制的东吴大军的对手,很快败下阵来。

  不过,深受儒家传统熏陶的中原军队并没有像此后的西方殖民者那样赶尽杀绝,而是很快与山夷部落取得联系,获知其还处于氏族公社的原始阶段,遂帮助其发展农业种植和水利,很快获得了岛上山夷部落的友谊。

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  东吴军队在夷州一住就是1年多。但是由于水土不服等问题,使得后期兵士多有疾病,在当年那种缺医少药的年代,生病往往就意味着死亡。卫温和诸葛直看到部队减员严重,已经无法再出海寻找亶州了。于是带着部队已经千余名愿意一同来中原的山夷返回东吴。

  但是,由于此行未达到孙权扩充兵员的初衷,也没有抵达亶州寻找到仙药,晚年已经多猜忌的孙权一怒之下将卫温和诸葛直下狱,后直接处死。

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  卫温和诸葛直的赴台之行虽然有着东吴扩充地盘、为孙权找药等原因,但客观上搭建起了中原与夷州之间的沟通交流桥梁。使夷州成为一个更加清晰地形象出现在中原人们的脑海中,而夷州也知道了身边有一个庞大的大陆和一个相对温和的国家,没有了抵触心理,这为后世将宝岛纳入中原行政体系奠定了基础。

  此行还很好地收集了夷州的风土人情和气候特点,三国东吴时期的临海郡太守沈萤在《临海水土志》中这样描写夷州:“夷州在临海郡东南,去郡二千里。土地无霜雪,草木不死。四面是山,众山夷所居。山顶有越王射的正白,乃是石也。此夷各号为王,分划土地,人民各自别异,人皆髡头,穿耳,女人不穿耳。作室居,种荆为蕃鄣。土地饶沃,既生五谷,又多鱼肉。舅姑子父,男女卧息共一大床。交会之时,各不相避。能作细布,亦作斑文。布刻画,其内有文章,好以为饰也。”

  卫温之行加强了两岸交流,成为史书中有据可考的第一次!

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  当然,航母采取什么名字命名是有规定的!但是卫温赴台的这段历史还是值得我们全民牢记的!也是对岛上那些跪舔日本,认贼作父的跳梁小丑最好的打击!(作者署名:虹摄库尔斯克)

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The representative suggested using Wei Wen to name the aircraft carrier. What did the ancient generals do?
The representative suggested using Wei Wen to name the aircraft carrier. What did the ancient generals do?
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Recently, Yuan Maorong, deputy to the National People's Congress and director of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress of Taizhou City, submitted a proposal that the first domestic aircraft carrier be named after Wei Wen. The proposal was also supported by several representatives.

In recent years, with the vigorous development of the Chinese navy, the community’s interest in the development of the navy has also risen to an unprecedented level. The aircraft carrier is the most important thing in this country, and the name of the aircraft carrier has become the talk of people after lunch. In addition to place names, there have been many examples of using the name of a Chinese aircraft carrier on the Internet, such as Liu Huaqing (Navy Commander, Advocate of Aircraft Carriers), Zheng Chenggong (a national hero of the Dutch colonists), and Shi Hao (recovery treasure). Island naval generals) etc. So who is this "Wei Wen" now?
For Wei Wen, ordinary people, including general military enthusiasts, are not very familiar with it. For Wei Wen, ordinary people, including general military enthusiasts, are not very familiar with it.

Wei Wen was the general of Dongwu during the Three Kingdoms period. Before 1788, that is, at the time of the year 230 AD, that is, Huanglong two years, Dongwu tyrants and Sun Quan sent general Wei Wen and Zhuge took the men and women to cross the sea to seek conquest for Yizhou. State. The Yizhou here actually refers to Baodao(=Taiwan), while Zhangzhou refers to the present Japan.

At the time, the Central Plains had already learned that Yizhou and Zhangzhou existed in the East China Sea, especially Yizhou, which was close to the southeastern coast under the jurisdiction of Dongwu and could be crossed eastward. From the sporadic legends of coastal fishermen, it is also known that Yizhou is a treasure island with four seasons. During the Three Kingdoms period of the Eastern Five Kingdoms period, Linhai County Taishou Shen Yingzi once wrote a description of Yizhou in his own copy of “Linhai Salt” (one of the world's earliest documentary records of Baodao): “The land is frost-free and the vegetation is not dead.”

Sun Quan, who was just in the middle of the hegemony of the Three Kingdoms, hoped to obtain Yizhou and expand his strength in Yizhou. On the other hand, Sun Quan, who was already nearly 50 years old, was also very concerned about what happened behind him. At that time, he knew that Qin Shihuang sent Xu Fudong to cross the state of Chuzhou to find Penglai without returning. He also hoped that he could go to Zhangzhou via Yizhou. Xian visited the medicine, or found the descendants of Xu Fu, in order to obtain the law of life.

For this purpose, Wei Wen and Zhuge led the 10,000 soldiers to Yizhou. Since Dongwu had already had a relatively developed shipping capacity, Yizhou, which was not far away, could still arrive. When the Soochow army arrived in Yizhou, there was a clash with the native Shanyi (Aboriginal), and Shanyi was not an opponent of the established Dongwu army and quickly lost the battle.

However, the Central Plains army, deeply influenced by the Confucian tradition, did not rush to kill it like the Western colonialists thereafter. It quickly contacted the Shanyi tribe and learned that it was still in the primitive stage of the clan communes and helped them develop agricultural cultivation and water conservancy. , soon acquired the friendship of the Shanyi tribes on the island.

The Dongwu Army lived in Yizhou for more than a year. However, due to problems such as dissatisfaction with soil and water, the soldiers in the late period have many diseases. In the year when medicines were scarce, they often meant death. Wei Wen Zhuge saw the serious downsizing of the troops and was no longer able to go to the sea to find Zhangzhou. So with the troops have more than a thousand willing to come back to Soochow to the Central Plains Yi.

However, because this line did not reach the original intention of Sun Quan’s expansion of the soldiers, he did not arrive in Ganzhou to find the fairy drug. Sun Quan, who had been skeptical in his later years, swiftly imprisoned the defendant Wen Zhuge and executed it directly.

Although Wei Wenzhi and Zhuge Zhi’s visit to Taiwan had the reasons for Dongwu’s expansion of the site and the search for Sun Quan’s medicine, it has objectively built a bridge between the Central Plains and the Yizhou. Making Yizhou a more clear image in the minds of people in Central Plains, and Yizhou also knows that there is a huge continent and a relatively moderate country, there is no resistance, which will include the treasure island into the Central Plains Administration for later generations. The system laid the foundation.

This trip also collected the customs, customs, and climate characteristics of Yizhou. The coastal state Taishen Shen Ying of the Three Kingdoms period during the period of the Three Kingdoms described the state of Yizhou in the “Water of the Sea”: “Yizhou is in the southeast of Linhai County and goes to the county. Thousands of miles, the land is frost-free and the grass is immortal. The mountains are surrounded by mountains, and the hills are razed by the mountains. There is a white stone on the top of the mountain, which is the king of the king, but it is also the stone. This razor is the king, dividing the land, the people are different, Everyone is gimmick-headed and wears ears, women do not wear their ears, and they live in rooms, and they use it as a fancier. The land is fertile, and there are both grains and fish. The father and son, both male and female, sleep together and share a large bed. They do not avoid each other. They can be finely clothed and also used as spot papers. The cloths are painted and there are articles in them so that they can be decorated."

Wei Wen’s visit has strengthened the cross-strait exchanges and became the first time in the history books to be considered!

Of course, there is a provision for the name of the aircraft carrier! However, the history of Wei Wen’s visit to Taiwan still deserves our attention. It is also the best hit for those jumping on the island who are blaming Japan and confessing the thief as the father! (Author's signature: Rainbow Photo Kursk)
 

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There u are Japan was once China part of Jap. Japs are Chinese origin.

wei wen did not proceed to japan lah. his entire 10k army kena dysentry and diarrhea in taiwan lao sai vomit and die. out of 10k, 6.9k mati. remaining troops kwai kwai balik kampung to cina. same fate will happen to cina aircraft carrier.
 

tanwahtiu

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Check yr research.

wei wen did not proceed to japan lah. his entire 10k army kena dysentry and diarrhea in taiwan lao sai vomit and die. out of 10k, 6.9k mati. remaining troops kwai kwai balik kampung to cina. same fate will happen to cina aircraft carrier.
 

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There you have it.conformation that taiwan was settled by aborigines when europeans landed i 1500's. China invaded in 1788.
South china sea should be renamed champa sea as champa malays still lives in vietnam after they were conquered by vietcongs.
Ah neh built angkor wat in 1200 and spread their culture and custom to everyone in south east asia. No early chinese influence found anywhere in south east asia.indo-china should be renamed indo-indo.
 

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There u are Japan was once China part of Jap. Japs are Chinese origin.
Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese were Chinese. Just visit these countries, walk into any old temple and you will be confronted with pure Chinese Culture.
Example: Hanoi, capitol of Vietnam, actually means "place in the interior of the river" in Cantonese. Tokyo, is "Dongjing" or eastern capitol in Chinese.
 

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Well said. Where else Chinese technologies, science and education were not spread in whole of Asia.


Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese were Chinese. Just visit these countries, walk into any old temple and you will be confronted with pure Chinese Culture.
Example: Hanoi, capitol of Vietnam, actually means "place in the interior of the river" in Cantonese. Tokyo, is "Dongjing" or eastern capitol in Chinese.
 

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Vietnam is 越南 where 越 means far so Far South.

Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese were Chinese. Just visit these countries, walk into any old temple and you will be confronted with pure Chinese Culture.
Example: Hanoi, capitol of Vietnam, actually means "place in the interior of the river" in Cantonese. Tokyo, is "Dongjing" or eastern capitol in Chinese.
 

tanwahtiu

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Lazy pia m&ds were nothing but grass eaters in history. No brains, no work and fuck women most of the time where got future.

Look at RM exchange no future to be top of the range race.



There you have it.conformation that taiwan was settled by aborigines when europeans landed i 1500's. China invaded in 1788.
South china sea should be renamed champa sea as champa malays still lives in vietnam after they were conquered by vietcongs.
Ah neh built angkor wat in 1200 and spread their culture and custom to everyone in south east asia. No early chinese influence found anywhere in south east asia.indo-china should be renamed indo-indo.
 

syed putra

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Lazy pia m&ds were nothing but grass eaters in history. No brains, no work and fuck women most of the time where got future.

Look at RM exchange no future to be top of the range race.
Not true. Chinese fuck and reproduce more than malays.1.7 bil(unofficial figures) compared to just a handful of malays.

RM and IDR drop because chinese businesses refuse to pay taxes and repatriate most of their income to overseas offshote centres. Not willing to share wealth with the nation that made them rich.
 

tanwahtiu

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Hahaha showed that u are fucking stupid. Wealth shared with lazy and corrupt m&ds?

Chinese was 300million population back in 1800s. At least they are industrial people and to take care of their people with big population.

m&ds increase population but not create jobs for m&ds but work for Chinese.

Who will want to give works to lazy m&ds?

Not true. Chinese fuck and reproduce more than malays.1.7 bil(unofficial figures) compared to just a handful of malays.

RM and IDR drop because chinese businesses refuse to pay taxes and repatriate most of their income to overseas offshote centres. Not willing to share wealth with the nation that made them rich.
 

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http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-03-21/doc-ifyskeue0167509.shtml

中国首艘国产航母该叫啥?山东舰台湾舰还是卫温舰
中国首艘国产航母该叫啥?山东舰台湾舰还是卫温舰

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  作者署名:军评陈光文

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中国首艘国产航母舾装完毕即将海试
  最新照片显示,停泊在大连造船厂的首艘国产航母相控阵雷达已安装完毕,脚手架已全部拆除,动力系统正在联调联试,有望近期进行海试。该航母有望在今年内交付海军服役。据中时电子报18日报道,大陆首艘国产航母的舰岛大约比16号“辽宁”舰缩小10%左右,而甲板下的机库面积将增加10%左右,有望搭载更多的舰载机。比较显眼的在舰岛安装的四面346A相控阵雷达,可以涵盖360度搜索区域。另外,该航母的甲板将比“辽宁”舰更加合理、宽大,后部的甲板变宽,为歼-15提供更好的着陆条件。那么,该舰将以什么来命名呢?

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当初辽宁舰命名前呼声最高的就是施琅号
  根据16号“辽宁”舰的命名经验,以及中国海军航母的命名规则,几乎可以断定,中国首艘国产航母肯定会以一个省份的名字来命名,但编号不一定是排在“辽宁”舰之后的17,很有可能会是01——这是中国第一艘自行研发的国产航母。首先,中国首艘国产航母被命名为“台湾”舰——这是网上调查呼声最高的名字——的可能性很小,这一方面是两岸如今还未统一,使用这样的舰名容易引进国际误解和片面解读,二是中国发展航母的主要意图并非解决台湾问题,所以台湾这个舰名一定会有,但不是现在。

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894李四光号综合试验舰服役时的场景
  再来看有代表提议的所谓“卫温”这个舰名,其实这个可能性更小。第一,中国首艘国产航母肯定不会使用历史人名来命名,就像在16号“辽宁”舰服役前,民间呼声最高的是以收台英雄施琅的名字来命名,但最后都失望了;第二,中国海军的主要作战舰艇,均不会使用历史人名来命名,而使用历史人名命名的都是科学试验舰,比如894号“李四光”综合试验舰和82号“世昌”综合训练舰等;最后,卫温仍与台湾有关,但不过是三国时代的一个首次进入台湾的地方官吏,甚至还不如施琅名声更大。


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中国首艘国产航母已完成舾装和系泊试验
  最后来看看到底会用哪个省份来命名中国首艘国产航母。之前很多媒体已经直接或非直接的喊出17号“山东”舰的名字,而且据说这个名字已经在海军内部叫开了,但在首艘国产航母正式公开前,这还存在变数。之所以大家称呼中国首艘国产航母叫做“山东”号,是因为第一艘航母叫做“辽宁”舰,是以诞生地命名的,那么顺着这个思路,第二艘航母一定会以部署地所在的省份命名,所以命名为“山东”号的可能性最大。当然,也可能叫做“海南”号、“广东”号或者“浙江”号,这些可能性都存在。

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未来更多的省份会以更先进的核动力航母命名
  分析认为,对于中国首艘国产航母的即将海试,所有炎黄子孙都在翘首以盼,因为这是实现中华民族伟大复兴的关键符号,所以它的命名才备受关注。不过,有人对其被命名为“山东”舰心存醋意,其实这大可不必,不论中国首艘国产航母以哪个省份来命名,都是中国发展远洋海军的可靠保证,大家没必要以地域名字来纷争。其实,很多山东人还不满意呢,他们更希望以“山东”这个舰名来命名未来的中国核动力航母。所以,中国首艘国产航母叫什么不重要,重要的是中国航母已进入发展快车道,未来排水量更大性能更先进的中国国产核动力航母一定会像下饺子般建造,因此,你所在的省份被命名为未来更先进的国产航母的机会一定会有,这一点毋庸置疑!(作者署名:军评陈光文)
 
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